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When referring to different models, please don't omit the x or w. The w900a and x900a are very different tv's.
He meant the x900a
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Did a bit more digging into the Sony HDMI handshake issue and got the Sony HDMI TV & Source HDMI reset. My pre-amp / processor is on its way back to me and was deemed to be working properly by the manufacturer. So, when it gets back I'll try this:
  • Make sure both the TVand other device are turned on.
  • While turned on, unplugthe power cords for the TV and device from the electrical outlet.
  • Disconnect the HDMIcables from the TV and other product.
  • Wait 60 seconds.
  • While the HDMI cablesare disconnected, plug the power cords back into the electrical outlet.
  • Turn on the TV.
  • Re-connect the HDMIcables to both the devices and the TV.
  • Turn on theHDMI-connected product.

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He meant the x900a
That's correct, thank you.
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Did a bit more digging into the Sony HDMI handshake issue and got the Sony HDMI TV & Source HDMI reset. My pre-amp / processor is on its way back to me and was deemed to be working properly by the manufacturer. So, when it gets back I'll try this:
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  • While turned on, unplugthe power cords for the TV and device from the electrical outlet.
  • Disconnect the HDMIcables from the TV and other product
  • Wait 60 seconds.
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  • Turn on the TV.
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That should do the trick. Good luck.
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Well, I finally got mine mounted, but i still have a lot of work to do on the house as evidenced by the roll of carpet against the wall.... and one of the cats used my little temporary ps3/xbox shelf as a springboard Even as dark as the picture is you can see how dusty my Paradigm center is. Hopefully I will have everything done soon. Until then, the tv is actually spending most of its time off and wrapped in plastic. Now that I have had it for the better part of a month I simply couldnt be happier. It really is a phenomenal panel. A little annoyed that its now 300 cheaper at the Sony store, but w/e, i knew I was gonna pay top dollar even though I didnt actually pay sales tax.




edit - for those that don't want to scour the thread, mine is the 65x850b
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I originally paid $2299.99 on July 5th for the 55x850b and now the price is $1999.99. I called Crutchfield and they credited my account the $300.00 difference. I can always use an extra $300.00.
Although I certainly won't hold my breath, I wonder if Fry's would do that? But I did buy it with a CC, so maybe my bank will. I can only hope.
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On my Sony XBR6 using PC via HDMI, many settings are greyed out and thus rendered unadjustable....color level....sharp.... and I have to do them in the chip, which is Intel Graphics 2000 and confusing and a pain in the neck. Your AMD looks much easier and more logical.
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Nothing is grayed out in the TV here
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Well, I finally got mine mounted, but i still have a lot of work to do on the house as evidenced by the roll of carpet against the wall....
Now that is an interesting back light, really makes that picture pop !

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I have had my 65X850b for a little over week now. I picture is just unbelievably, except for the graying around edges. When i should be seeing black, I get grays around the edges. The affect is the same with lights on or off, but more noticeable with the light off. We mainly watch movies in the dark, so it is kinda of annoying. Can this be fixed with adjustments or should I talk to Sony about a replacement TV?
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You're not giving us much to go on. What are your settings? Here are my settings. Go to the preference area and choose the GENERAl setting. Go to the ECO area and turn everything OFF except Auto Shut Off. Then go to Picture Settings and choose a Setting Memory of COMMON. My go to setting is in the CUSTOM catagory. Back Light-10, Picture -MAX, Brightness-45, Color-30, Color Temp-Neutral, Hue-0, Sharpness-70, MPEG-MED, NR-AUTO, Reality-AUTO, SG-LOW, MF-Smooth, CM-Auto, Black Correct-(-2). You can play around with these settings to your liking. To do your final adjustments, especially for color, I recommend going to ESPN in the afternoon recording and then pausing "Pardon the Interruption". This show uses high quality HD cameras and the set has a lot of brilliant color to fine tune your picture. To evaluate your black levels wait till you can pause on any dark scene. I like to pause when they are going to or coming back from a commercial because there is usually a momentary black screen then. When you have it pause, and you can see the light bleed, go back to the setting area and switch to VIVID and turn the back light down to 7 or 8. See if that makes your blacks blacker. If you like it better then you have do decide between Custom and Vivid. If you're like me you'll change your mind a hundred times and still not be sure. Kind of depends on what you're watching.
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a) The XBR-70X850B sells for about $2K more than the XBR-65X850B. Do you guys think it's worth $2K for the extra 5 inches?

b) Is the picture quality of the 70" better than the 65"?

c) Any professional reviews of the 70" yet?

d) Finally, does anyone have a copy of the cutsheet for the XBR-70X850B?
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a) The XBR-70X850B sells for about $2K more than the XBR-65X850B. Do you guys think it's worth $2K for the extra 5 inches?

b) Is the picture quality of the 70" better than the 65"?

c) Any professional reviews of the 70" yet?

d) Finally, does anyone have a copy of the cutsheet for the XBR-70X850B?
I set my 70x850b up Tuesday and even though I like it there is no way it's worth $2K more than the 65x850b unless you want the extra 5 inches really bad. I'll post a more detailed review later this week but in a nutshell I feel that compared to the 70w850b which the X replaced, the X gives maybe a 10% bump in PQ from broadcast TV and blu-ray viewing. Even the X shows a bit of radial banding and clouding but not as bad as the W. The 65 inch is a sweet deal compared to the 70 inch.
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the X850b that's currently at $1999 at BB. Will this price be sustained or will it go back up?
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You're not giving us much to go on. What are your settings? Here are my settings. Go to the preference area and choose the GENERAl setting. Go to the ECO area and turn everything OFF except Auto Shut Off. Then go to Picture Settings and choose a Setting Memory of COMMON. My go to setting is in the CUSTOM catagory. Back Light-10, Picture -MAX, Brightness-45, Color-30, Color Temp-Neutral, Hue-0, Sharpness-70, MPEG-MED, NR-AUTO, Reality-AUTO, SG-LOW, MF-Smooth, CM-Auto, Black Correct-(-2). You can play around with these settings to your liking. To do your final adjustments, especially for color, I recommend going to ESPN in the afternoon recording and then pausing "Pardon the Interruption". This show uses high quality HD cameras and the set has a lot of brilliant color to fine tune your picture. To evaluate your black levels wait till you can pause on any dark scene. I like to pause when they are going to or coming back from a commercial because there is usually a momentary black screen then. When you have it pause, and you can see the light bleed, go back to the setting area and switch to VIVID and turn the back light down to 7 or 8. See if that makes your blacks blacker. If you like it better then you have do decide between Custom and Vivid. If you're like me you'll change your mind a hundred times and still not be sure. Kind of depends on what you're watching.
My neighbor is a home theater installer, he did a gray scale adjustment for me. I was crushing black and white. Adjustments helped, but he thinks the problem is the edge lighting. It is like leaking out. I don't know how else to describe it. Does anyone else have this problem?

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My neighbor is a home theater installer, he did a gray scale adjustment for me. I was crushing black and white. Adjustments helped, but he thinks the problem is the edging lighting. It is like leaking out. I don't know how else to describe it. Does anyone else have this problem?
Light bleed along the edges is a by-product of the edge lit technology. Some panels are better than others and I would expect the Sony 70x850b to be using one of the better panels. Using my custom or vivid settings produce very little bleed. For the most part I consider my PQ to be excellent. This is my 5th big Sony in the last10 months and I'm finally happy. If yours is a problem you should have Sony replace it. From my limited experience I think the Sony's incorporating the X-Realty Pro engine are quite good out of the box but can be lmproved with a few tweaks.
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Light bleed along the edges is a by-product of the edge lit technology. Some panels are better than others and I would expect the Sony 70x850b to be using one of the better panels. Using my custom or vivid settings produce very little bleed. For the most part I consider my PQ to be excellent. This is my 5th big Sony in the last10 months and I'm finally happy. If yours is a problem you should have Sony replace it. From my limited experience I think the Sony's incorporating the X-Realty Pro engine are quite good out of the box but can be lmproved with a few tweaks.
How is the picture quality compared to the 65x850b, especially black-level detail? Is the 70" panel more or less reflective than the 65"? Finally, is the viewing angle better or worse than the 65"?
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I only know that the 65x850b received a very good review and as of yet I have not seen a review on the 70x850b. The 70x has a decidedly more reflective screen than the 70w so the viewing angles for the x should be a little more restrictive. I think the 65x uses a IPS screen and the 70x looks to me like a VA screen. So far I'm noticing some radial banding as I watch the PGA today. Like the 70w this radial banding on the 70x did not show up until day 3 of operation. The 65w850b that I had showed no sign of radial banding (arching curved bands, like the outside rings of a target, always worse on the right side of the screen). Especially visible as a camera pans on a solid colored surface like ice hocky, golf, baseball field.
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I am seriously considering taking advantage of the X850b that's currently at $1999 at BB. Will this price be sustained or will it go back up?
If you mean the 55x850b, the $1999.99 price is good until September 6th. If you mean the 49x850b $1999.99 is the regular price

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I only know that the 65x850b received a very good review and as of yet I have not seen a review on the 70x850b. The 70x has a decidedly more reflective screen than the 70w so the viewing angles for the x should be a little more restrictive. I think the 65x uses a IPS screen and the 70x looks to me like a VA screen. So far I'm noticing some radial banding as I watch the PGA today. Like the 70w this radial banding on the 70x did not show up until day 3 of operation. The 65w850b that I had showed no sign of radial banding (arching curved bands, like the outside rings of a target, always worse on the right side of the screen). Especially visible as a camera pans on a solid colored surface like ice hocky, golf, baseball field.
Funny b.c the x900a and B both have some banding and both use VA panels.

This is why I was willing to take a 850b over the 900b replacement I was offered. I have been able to see banding on every single VA panel in sonys 4k lineup.
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It's funny but the 65w850a uses a Samsung S-PVA panel and it had no banding but pretty bad clouding. I'm just going to accept it with the 70x850b. Tired of exchanging. I would really like to hear from some technical person (Tubetwister hint hint) as to why the banding issue is happening. I'm sure the obvious answer is because of the edge lit LED's but with the last 70w850b and this 70x850b I checked very closely when I set the TV's up and really really scrutinized the panels looking for the slightest sign of any hint of banding. Both panels were absolutely clean for the first two days then bang, there is was. I switched out all of my HDMI cables to no avail. Keep in mind the 65w850a never ever developed banding of any kind. And it has the TRILUMINUS color filter like the 70x850b while the 70w850b does not. It seems that I can't find a common denominator.
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I like the design of the x850, it is perfect. I like the glossy edgelit dimming X900 but the speakers take up too much space.

I'm hoping Sony get's it right in 2015 for a 70" model.

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It's funny but the 65w850a uses a Samsung S-PVA panel and it had no banding but pretty bad clouding. I'm just going to accept it with the 70x850b. Tired of exchanging. I would really like to hear from some technical person (Tubetwister hint hint) as to why the banding issue is happening. I'm sure the obvious answer is because of the edge lit LED's but with the last 70w850b and this 70x850b I checked very closely when I set the TV's up and really really scrutinized the panels looking for the slightest sign of any hint of banding. Both panels were absolutely clean for the first two days then bang, there is was. I switched out all of my HDMI cables to no avail. Keep in mind the 65w850a never ever developed banding of any kind. And it has the TRILUMINUS color filter like the 70x850b while the 70w850b does not. It seems that I can't find a common denominator.
I wonder if it is just the AUO VA panels. The Samsung's are very uniform like you said. I went through 4 900A's hoping to avoid banding. I just watch too many sports to have banding. If I just watched movies, I would probably never see it.
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From what little I've heard about the AUO panels that little has been pretty good. Who knows in this day of panel lottery. If Sony calls and offers me a 1080P 80" of my choice I'd take it.
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From what little I've heard about the AUO panels that little has been pretty good. Who knows in this day of panel lottery. If Sony calls and offers me a 1080P 80" of my choice I'd take it.
The AUOs offer amazing contrast and blacks.
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I imagine AOU builds AV and IPS panels so it would be interesting to compare the attributes of each side by side. I've checked numerous places and can't find any information on the panels used in the 70w850b and the 70x850b. The x does have the reflective properties of a AV panel while the w seemed more matted. But who knows? Maybe they are made by RCA or GE.
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I imagine AOU builds AV and IPS panels so it would be interesting to compare the attributes of each side by side. I've checked numerous places and can't find any information on the panels used in the 70w850b and the 70x850b. The x does have the reflective properties of a AV panel while the w seemed more matted. But who knows? Maybe they are made by RCA or GE.

I believe AUO has spent a good deal of $ on A-MVA. I don't think they would invest the capital to produce two different displays, especially if they've been pushing a competing technology. I could be wrong though.
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Yea, who knows. I didn't think Samsung made 70 inch panels but I guess they do. I'm sure Auo is in stiff compitition witn Innilux and who knows who else.
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The AUOs offer amazing contrast and blacks.

Like Matt said, the AUO panel in my x850a has pretty stunning blacks although I came from a 7 year old xbr2....
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In case anyone's curious, I picked up the 55inch x850b because of the sale price and absolutely love the 3D performance. Is it perfect? No. But then, I don't think 3D is perfect in general. I do think, however, that it is better than what I usually experience in the theaters. I've only watched two movies so far (Tron Legacy and The Great Gatsby on 3D Bluray) but both of them had moments that were absolutely stunning on this new set of mine.

I'm no expert and I feel the need to say that my impression thus far is that of a casual viewer (certainly not a videophile), but I thought I'd leave my impressions for anyone who might be wondering about the performance of 3D Blurays via the X850B.
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