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post #241 of 2517 Old 06-23-2014, 09:28 AM
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Newbie Questions...

Hi, All–

My apologies for the newbie questions to follow, thank you in advance for any input provided:

I am in the market for the 70x850. The price has come down now from $5500 to around $4,908.82 with eastcoasttvs.com, whom offer the option of no tax and free shipping. I have bought from them before and it was a hassle, but in the end I got what I payed for! They will always try and sell you white glove shipping (total bs!) and extended warranties, I just passed on it. I like the idea of going with BB, however with the taxes included and no price matching that I can see, it's an additional $1000 from eastcoasttvs.com. My questions:

1. Is BB better idea then an online merchant? Is it worth the extra $? BB is great with returns and defective items, not so much with eastcoasttvs.com.

2. Is the extended warranty needed? Sony provides 18 months of warranty, I could always add square trade later correct?

Thank you all again in advance for your help!
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I got a decent deal for sure. Seems Best Buy are really pushing the 65" with sales on virtually every 4K set in that size. I am really impressed by the blacks thus far ... especially since it's not a plasma. When watching a Blu-ray ... the black bars aren't cloudy or washed out at all. Nice blacks with great color. All this ... and I haven't even calibrated it. Really pleased I returned the Samsung 75 7150. That's a fine TV, but the Sony X850B is on another level PQ wise.
Awesome that someone actually already has the set But here is the next task for to do for the community : Could you go through the Motionflow options. So what they are (standard, smooth clear etc?) and how do they look. I trying to find out whether it has MCFI or not.
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Somebody can tell us something about the input lag of these tv?

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If it is the same as the 900B 40ms.
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Raitzi, here is a thread concerning Motionflow that may be helpful: Motionflow XR 240/480/960
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Raitzi, here is a thread concerning Motionflow that may be helpful: Motionflow XR 240/480/960
Thanks! I also found from one retailer site that it is 120Hz panel.(all good ) I actually like a little bit of soap opera effect to movies. To me it has always been the standard setting on Sony motionflow.
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Is it true that x850 has only 60Hz panel and motion interpolation is not available like with x900 and x950? (in last few years xr240 meant 60Hz panel with backlight trickery) Sony has confused me with this fake Hz BS
The X850 has a native 120 Hz refresh rate. Here's a great article by CNet on this topic: http://www.cnet.com/news/fake-refres...-really-120hz/
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If it is the same as the 900B 40ms.
Ohhh.. That's too high for me!!
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Ohhh.. That's too high for me!!
Too high? Sony has the lowest for a 4K TV. Samsungs are 60. There is no noticeable lag on the X900B during game play.
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Ohhh.. That's too high for me!!
you can forget 4k then. All the rest makes are worse.
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you can forget 4k then. All the rest makes are worse.
I need less than 20 ms , no more!
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I need less than 20 ms , no more!
Then rule out all 4KTVs.
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Has anybody had a chance to do a close comparison between the Samsung HU8550 and the 850B? I'm specifically trying to ascertain image quality differences between the 75HU8550 and the 75X850B. Thanks!
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Same question here. Samsung HU8550 verus Sony X850B.
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I need less than 20 ms , no more!
Toshiba 65L9400U is suppose to have around 10ms with its 4K Game Turbo option enabled. We will have to see if it is true at the VE shootout.
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If x850 can match Sony's best non-local dimming sets on black level, I will buy the 65" version. 55W828(EU) clocks impressive 0.042 cd/m^2 with and around 2600+ on ANSI contrast.
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If x850 can match Sony's best non-local dimming sets on black level, I will buy the 65" version. 55W828(EU) clocks impressive 0.042 cd/m^2 with and around 2600+ on ANSI contrast.
The w8xxb uses a premium VA panel, while the x850b uses an IPS panel. It certainly won't come near blacks as deep as that. Expect a contrast ratio of about 1,000:1 although most likely much less.
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The w8xxb uses a premium VA panel, while the x850b uses an IPS panel. It certainly won't come near blacks as deep as that. Expect a contrast ratio of about 1,000:1 although most likely much less.
Hmm ok. Looks like I can forget about x850b then. I don't really care much about 4k as I probably cannot see the difference anyway. Of course with Netflix you get better bitrate with 4k which is much more important than resolution.

I can't stand the super glossy screen of 900b, so It is chaperr 1080p TVs for me then
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The w8xxb uses a premium VA panel, while the x850b uses an IPS panel. It certainly won't come near blacks as deep as that. Expect a contrast ratio of about 1,000:1 although most likely much less.
What are the benefits/detriments of an IPS panel?


Also, I notice there is an HDMI Audio out jack in the specs for the xbr70850b. Does anyone know if that is a pass through output if you input a Blu-ray or other input - or is it re-processed by the TV?
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What are the benefits/detriments of an IPS panel?


Also, I notice there is an HDMI Audio out jack in the specs for the xbr70850b. Does anyone know if that is a pass through output if you input a Blu-ray or other input - or is it re-processed by the TV?
I may be wrong, but I think they went to IPS panels b.c they are cheaper, but are generally more uniform. Blacks are not as deep, but colors are more accurate and look better during bright scenes.
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I saw the 55 & 70X850B. The picture quality nice. Very bright. But I think the 900B quality is superior. Especially shadow detail.
Do the IPS panels have better uniformity than the VA panels from your experience? More specifically in regards to banding?
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Do the IPS panels have better uniformity than the VA panels from your experience? More specifically in regards to banding?
Samsung has had stellar uniformity this year and they use VA.
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Samsung has had stellar uniformity this year and they use VA.
I know this . I just specifically want to know about the Sony's. I would trade some black levels for a more uniform picture.
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I know this . I just specifically want to know about the Sony's. I would trade some black levels for a more uniform picture.
Sony is relying others to manufacture most of the panels nowadays and it is not surprise to me that Samsung panel on Samsung TV has better uniformity than Samsung panel on Sony TV. AUO AMVA3 +PSA layer on other hand are top performers with Sony TVs sporting native unassisted contrast ratios over 2.5k.(not quite matching Samsung TVs on uniformity still)
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Sony is relying others to manufacture most of the panels nowadays and it is not surprise to me that Samsung panel on Samsung TV has better uniformity than Samsung panel on Sony TV. AUO AMVA3 +PSA layer on other hand are top performers with Sony TVs sporting native unassisted contrast ratios over 2.5k.(not quite matching Samsung TVs on uniformity still)
Do you by chance know the remote command to determine the panel type? I know I have seen it on these forums before.
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65X850A vs. 65X850B

I want a 4K Sony set for my new condo. I originally decided to go with the 850B because of the updated codec to stream future content. The set will be used for upscaling Blu Rays with a Sony BDP-S6200 and watching my New York Jets stick it to the rest of the NFL this year. I have a 5.1 Logitech surround sound system, another reason I chose the 850 over the 900.

From reading other posts here, it seems that the 850A has better black levels because of the local dimming and right now it is at $2600 with free delivery from Best Buy. The 850B has dropped $700 the past 2 weeks and hopefully it will drop even more when I make my purchase in mid-August.

I am still leaning towards the 850B. Which set would show a better image for watching sports in the daytime?
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Do you by chance know the remote command to determine the panel type? I know I have seen it on these forums before.
Try this: http://www.digitalversus.com/news-pa...vs-n15169.html
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65X850A vs. 65X850B

I want a 4K Sony set for my new condo. I originally decided to go with the 850B because of the updated codec to stream future content. The set will be used for upscaling Blu Rays with a Sony BDP-S6200 and watching my New York Jets stick it to the rest of the NFL this year. I have a 5.1 Logitech surround sound system, another reason I chose the 850 over the 900.

From reading other posts here, it seems that the 850A has better black levels because of the local dimming and right now it is at $2600 with free delivery from Best Buy. The 850B has dropped $700 the past 2 weeks and hopefully it will drop even more when I make my purchase in mid-August.

I am still leaning towards the 850B. Which set would show a better image for watching sports in the daytime?
Daytime viewing I would say X850B. It is brighter. Night time/black levels the X850A is superior. You can buy the 2014 media player for 4K streaming with the X850A.
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65X850A vs. 65X850B

I want a 4K Sony set for my new condo. I originally decided to go with the 850B because of the updated codec to stream future content. The set will be used for upscaling Blu Rays with a Sony BDP-S6200 and watching my New York Jets stick it to the rest of the NFL this year. I have a 5.1 Logitech surround sound system, another reason I chose the 850 over the 900.

From reading other posts here, it seems that the 850A has better black levels because of the local dimming and right now it is at $2600 with free delivery from Best Buy. The 850B has dropped $700 the past 2 weeks and hopefully it will drop even more when I make my purchase in mid-August.

I am still leaning towards the 850B. Which set would show a better image for watching sports in the daytime?
By stick it to the rest of the league you mean 7-9 and watching the playoffs from home :P
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Daytime viewing I would say X850B. It is brighter. Night time/black levels the X850A is superior. You can buy the 2014 media player for 4K streaming with the X850A.
Carlos, what do you think about the differences with MotionFlow?
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