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It looks like you may have to go Active 3D. I'm not a big 3D fan and rarely watch 3D so I can't comment on performance.
I'm going to the sony store today they have the 900b and 950b on display. I'm really hoping the wife loves the 950b and let's me go for it. Thanks for the help.
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We'll it must be my lucky day, the wife watched the 950b for all of 5 mins and told me I could go for it, what a great 10 year anniversary gift! I can not find one review online, how do you guys find the 3d on this set? How's the input lag for gaming? I found the 900a input lag was not to bad, I've read the 900b has the same.
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After two weeks I decided to return the 65X950B. I really really wanted to like this television but at the end of the day the blooming was to much for me. I guess that's why I really liked the Elite for, but in my opinion it's no reference TV. I wish I still had my Elite now...
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After two weeks I decided to return the 65X950B. I really really wanted to like this television but at the end of the day the blooming was to much for me. I guess that's why I really liked the Elite for, but in my opinion it's no reference TV. I wish I still had my Elite now...
Sorry to hear your troubles. I can only imagine the heartache you must feel. IMO allow me to give you a couple suggestions. These blooming issues for this particular set will more than likely get resolved in the next model year 2015.

If you cannot wait you may consider going to view the 79" 900B when it comes out shorty as it has an IPS panel that may prove less prone to blooming.

Second if you can afford it the soon to be released 77" LG OLED (although OLED has issues too), and or the 65" Vizio Reference Series. Be sure to view them in person beforehand though...

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After two weeks I decided to return the 65X950B. I really really wanted to like this television but at the end of the day the blooming was to much for me. I guess that's why I really liked the Elite for, but in my opinion it's no reference TV. I wish I still had my Elite now...
That's a bit damning but makes sense physically (less zones, more noticeable blooming). The last great hope for LCD is definitely the Vizio R at this juncture, but there's no hard evidence to suggest it will be anything but vaporware.

Why do you think 2015 will fare better for LCD, timc? Every year, it's one cut corner after another, with panels that were deemed to be the next coming (of the Elite) either not coming at all or falling short.
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If you cannot wait you may consider going to view the 79" 900B when it comes out shorty as it has an IPS panel that may prove less prone to blooming.
The 79" X900B doesn't have local dimming in the same sense as the 65" X950B, but that IPS panel is going to definitely hurt its blacks compared to the VA panel in the X950B.
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The 79" X900B doesn't have local dimming in the same sense as the 65" X950B, but that IPS panel is going to definitely hurt its blacks compared to the VA panel in the X950B.
It's like Sonys new top of the line 1080p set I think it's the w950b. Last years model was rated as one of the best 1080p sets with great black levels. This year it moved to an ips panel and the picture took a huge step back, mostly in black level and contrast. Hopefully the the new4k ips panels have gotten better.

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After two weeks I decided to return the 65X950B. I really really wanted to like this television but at the end of the day the blooming was to much for me. I guess that's why I really liked the Elite for, but in my opinion it's no reference TV. I wish I still had my Elite now...
Question. If you did not come from an Elite, do you think your opinion of this tv would change. Would you notice the blooming still? Im curious if you had not been exposed to the Elite, if you would of found this TV to be what you needed.

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Question. If you did not come from an Elite, do you think your opinion of this tv would change. Would you notice the blooming still? Im curious if you had not been exposed to the Elite, if you would of found this TV to be what you needed.
I don't think so just because before the Elite all my previous TVs have been plasmas. Blooming was not to bad during regular viewing but during video game play it was very distracting on both Xbox One and PS4. Plus I still have a 50ST50 to compare so that doesn't help the Sony either.
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I don't think so just because before the Elite all my previous TVs have been plasmas. Blooming was not to bad during regular viewing but during video game play it was very distracting on both Xbox One and PS4. Plus I still have a 50ST50 to compare so that doesn't help the Sony either.
Thanks for the response. Good to know on where you did notice the blooming, as I am looking at this TV for my lounge/Game Room (Man Cave). So this would be mostly used for sports, some BD movies and gaming.


How was the input lag when you were playing the X1 or PS4? Also how was the motion resolution?

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Thanks for the response. Good to know on where you did notice the blooming, as I am looking at this TV for my lounge/Game Room (Man Cave). So this would be mostly used for sports, some BD movies and gaming.


How was the input lag when you were playing the X1 or PS4? Also how was the motion resolution?

For input lag having local dimming off would give lower numbers and that would stop the blooming as well. I have the dimming off on my 900a while gaming, that blacks are not as good but it helps with lag.
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Blooming Angle

Is the Blooming seen dead on, or like at 45 degrees off angle? All sets have their degree range before the PQ becomes unacceptable. Myself, and the wife, just about all TVs in the house are watched in the +/- 15 degrees from dead center. Only one with issues is a new Samsung 32", which has a zero tolerance for off angle.
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If you cannot wait you may consider going to view the 79" 900B when it comes out shorty as it has an IPS panel that may prove less prone to blooming.
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From what source is it stated it's a IPS panel in the 79X900B ?
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From what source is it stated it's a IPS panel in the 79X900B ?

tubetwister posted & stated it, and I am inclined to believe him, his post and link is below. I actually hope he's right, because if it has less blooming, banding, clouding etc. than the 900B 55" & 65" VA 3D active panels that these forum members are talking about, I will be very happy. We will all find out for 100% certainty soon enough as they are that close to being shipped and into the hands of reviewers.


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No such thing as a VP panel


It Has to be an LGD edge lit IPS panel that's only 79" 4K panel on the planet.
Sony must be buying naked LCD cells and putting in their Triluminos ™ back lights that's cool



Most IPS panels suck, low contrast poor black levels but decent view angle . I have a Sony here with a VA actually
(SPVA ) panel in this case and also an LG with an IPS panel the Sony with the VA panel has the better picture of those two sets .


*usually . IPS requires massive processing tricks or they look like S##T. Sony and LG can do that
and when you add in Sony Triluminos ™ back lights on Sonys they seem to be able to make them look real decent .



OTOH Maybe AUO will out with a larger than 65" IGZO 4K panel that might be even better ,I don't see one yet though ?
IGZO is supposed to be the tittie (for LCD) ! Their MVA and AMVA panels are real decent Sony uses Some of them .

Sony is buying more AUO panels going forward they will eventually be the main supplier for Sony then
maybe they can step away from LG 4K panels, have to see what shakes out .


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Thanks for the info. I meant VA not VP, I will correct that post. lol. On the 950B thread a poster said there is a way to get into the service menu of his 900a to see the panel info. I'd bet you dimes to nickles that one could gain access into the 900B series the same way. Once the 79X900B comes out it will be a good way to see for certain what panel it uses. Below is his post:

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On my XBR-65X900A, you can tell the panel part number by going into the service menu. It's listed right there. Mine is made by AUO.



"Official" 2014 Sony XBR-55X900B / XBR-65X900B / XBR-79X900B Thread




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I've heard rumors that Sony isn't using Quantum Dots for Triluminos this year. Anyone have any idea?
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I've heard rumors that Sony isn't using Quantum Dots for Triluminos this year. Anyone have any idea?
True. Basically Sony has watered down Triluminos to where it now means wide color gamut.
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True. Basically Sony has watered down Triluminos to where it now means wide color gamut.
So the question is why would I want to pay a premium for inferior technology to last years now much less expensive superior tech? None of the bb's or huppins... one call's mother store even have the 900b's in yet let alone the 950b's so I can't see either set yet, but I have seen the 900a, and to my eyes it has an outstanding picture. That along with the fmp x10 will allow netflix streaming for far less than the 900b.

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True. Basically Sony has watered down Triluminos to where it now means wide color gamut.
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So the question is why would I want to pay a premium for inferior technology to last years now much less expensive superior tech? None of the bb's or huppins... one call's mother store even have the 900b's in yet let alone the 950b's so I can't see either set yet, but I have seen the 900a, and to my eyes it has an outstanding picture. That along with the fmp x10 will allow netflix streaming for far less than the 900b.


Huh? Care to explain.
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Huh? Care to explain.
I'm pretty new to this, and trying to figure out which set to get, but if I understand correctly it looks like last years sets had quantum dot triluminous tech, and this years version of triluminous is inferior to last years. That's the way I take it anyway when it's called "watered down".
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The last great hope for LCD is definitely the Vizio R at this juncture, but there's no hard evidence to suggest it will be anything but vaporware.
What about the FALD 900U Panasonic? Has that officially been axed?
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What about the FALD 900U Panasonic? Has that officially been axed?
128 zones and an IPS panel... I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for that to solve the blooming problem.
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True. Basically Sony has watered down Triluminos to where it now means wide color gamut.
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So the question is why would I want to pay a premium for inferior technology to last years now much less expensive superior tech? None of the bb's or huppins... one call's mother store even have the 900b's in yet let alone the 950b's so I can't see either set yet, but I have seen the 900a, and to my eyes it has an outstanding picture. That along with the fmp x10 will allow netflix streaming for far less than the 900b.
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I'm pretty new to this, and trying to figure out which set to get, but if I understand correctly it looks like last years sets had quantum dot triluminous tech, and this years version of triluminous is inferior to last years. That's the way I take it anyway when it's called "watered down".
My comment was more directed at Stereodude to explain his "watered down" comment.
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Huh? Care to explain.
It started out as their labeling for a true RGB LED backlight, then it turned into labeling for white LEDs that used quantum dots to create distinct RGB peaks, now it's just a marketing label on a wide gamut LCD panel that uses a conventional white LED backlight.

You don't think that's watering down the meaning / definition of triluminous?
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128 zones and an IPS panel... I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope for that to solve the blooming problem.
How many zones do the Elites have?
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How many zones do the Elites have?
I never found any owner counts, but Sound & Vision reported that the 60" had 240 and the 70" had 336.

Samsung's 55" FALD set from 5 years ago had 240.

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How many zones do the Elites have?
From what I remember was 240 or 260 in that area. I never saw blooming on my elite. But I did see pulsing and ended up returning the set for a vt50.
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It started out as their labeling for a true RGB LED backlight, then it turned into labeling for white LEDs that used quantum dots to create distinct RGB peaks, now it's just a marketing label on a wide gamut LCD panel that uses a conventional white LED backlight.

You don't think that's watering down the meaning / definition of triluminous?
No I do not think it's watered down terminology when it's an improvement. The X900B has a wider color gamut than the X900A.
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No I do not think it's watered down terminology when it's an improvement. The X900B has a wider color gamut than the X900A.
I didn't say the gamut was smaller. I said the the triluminous term has been watered down by Sony continually redefining it to where it basically means nothing. A true RGB LED backlight and Quantum Dots were unique features. Triluminous is now nothing but an empty marketing word. There's nothing in a 2014 Triluminous Sony TV that every one of their competitors making wide gamut TVs don't have. That wasn't true of prior triluminous Sony TVs.
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I didn't say the gamut was smaller. I said the the triluminous term has been watered down by Sony continually redefining it to where it basically means nothing. A true RGB LED backlight and Quantum Dots were unique features. Triluminous is now nothing but an empty marketing word. There's nothing in a 2014 Triluminous Sony TV that every one of their competitors making wide gamut TVs don't have. That wasn't true of prior triluminous Sony TVs.
I remember reading a review on the 900b and they said the color was better on that set. I notice on my 900a reds don't look good almost like a samsung phone, the volors look to pumped up.
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So my 900a was having some clouding problems and sony offered me the 900b as a replacement but I decided to upgrade to the 65x950b and I can't wait!! My order is in now. So I got to use the 900a for 3 months and with the price I paid for the 900a and the amout to upgrade to the 950 came to 6250 with free shipping. Sony canada is out of stock now so might be a month till I get it but sony will let me keep the 900a for the time being.I think that's a good deal I'm in canada and you guys in the states always seem to get the better deals. After I get the set I'll be sure to post my thoughts. I've had a lot of tv's over the years at least 12 in the last 10 years, some being the vt30 vt50 and 70 inch elite. I hope this tv takes the cake! I keep looking on the web for impressions and reviews on this set and there's not much at the moment. Any owners have any more thoughts on the set?
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