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I'm pulling the trigger on this TV tomorrow. I was hesitant until I went to Best Buy and was able to compare side by side the 950B to the 900A, 850A and the Samsung 9000. The 950B is truly spectacular.

Very good review Chad, it also helped my decision.

Can any 950B owners confirm any experience wit input lag and any gaming?

What HDMI 2.0 Cables are you running it with? I hate to spend 100 on a cable but can't seem to find any on monoprice.com
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From what I have heard in game mode the input lag is not noticeable. I'd love to get the exact number as well I have my 950 on order but there's just no reviews with it yet. I'm going from the 900a to the 950b and I'd love to hear more about what you thought seeing them side by side.

Any high speed cable should work fine don't spend anything close to 100!!


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I'm pulling the trigger on this TV tomorrow. I was hesitant until I went to Best Buy and was able to compare side by side the 950B to the 900A, 850A and the Samsung 9000. The 950B is truly spectacular.

Very good review Chad, it also helped my decision.

Can any 950B owners confirm any experience wit input lag and any gaming?

What HDMI 2.0 Cables are you running it with? I hate to spend 100 on a cable but can't seem to find any on monoprice.com
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From what I have heard in game mode the input lag is not noticeable. I'd love to get the exact number as well I have my 950 on order but there's just no reviews with it yet. I'm going from the 900a to the 950b and I'd love to hear more about what you thought seeing them side by side.

Any high speed cable should work fine don't spend anything close to 100!!

While I have no proof, but a lot of owners have said input lag is pretty good. I have last years XBR900a and it is rated at 38ms, which is considered good and I would think that it will be about the same for the 950.
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I'm pulling the trigger on this TV tomorrow. I was hesitant until I went to Best Buy and was able to compare side by side the 950B to the 900A, 850A and the Samsung 9000. The 950B is truly spectacular.

Very good review Chad, it also helped my decision.

Can any 950B owners confirm any experience wit input lag and any gaming?

What HDMI 2.0 Cables are you running it with? I hate to spend 100 on a cable but can't seem to find any on monoprice.com
I agree with the others; any high speed hdmi should be fine. Also, if you're planning on using the port replicator, then you might need only a short (e.g. 3 foot or less) cable to reach from the replicator to your input source (cable/sat box or av receiver).
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While I have no proof, but a lot of owners have said input lag is pretty good. I have last years XBR900a and it is rated at 38ms, which is considered good and I would think that it will be about the same for the 950.
I've read the same for the 900a, this number is with the new input lag tester guys have been using(can't remember the name). The older way with a camera and set with no lag would probably be around the high to mid 20s.
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On groupon there were $60 monster hdmi cables for $10 if you looking for something like that. They were 8' long as well.
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What HDMI 2.0 Cables are you running it with? I hate to spend 100 on a cable but can't seem to find any on monoprice.com
Considering the TV barely has HDMI 2.0, and doesn't support 18Gbps HDMI 2.0, any 10Gbps rated HDMI cable is fine. Monoprice does sell 18Gbps cables though if you're really worried though.
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So guys...I bit the bullet and moved up to the 65X950B from the 65X900B...They came and swapped out the sets yesterday. Overall I like the 950B alot better. More thoughts to come, but I do have one question regarding picture quality. I have been watching Arrow recorded on my TiVo Roamio Pro and I notice in dark scenes the picture seems to alternate between grainy and smooth in certain areas of the scene. I am not sure if this is due to a bad source, I am running TiVo through my Denon AVR to the TV, or if there is a picture setting that is causing this or can fix it. It is hard to explain, but I noticed this on the 900B as well, it is alot less distracting on the 950B though. Anyone know what this is? I am going to post this in the 900B thread as well as I noticed it on that set as well.

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So guys...I bit the bullet and moved up to the 65X950B from the 65X900B...They came and swapped out the sets yesterday. Overall I like the 950B alot better. More thoughts to come, but I do have one question regarding picture quality. I have been watching Arrow recorded on my TiVo Roamio Pro and I notice in dark scenes the picture seems to alternate between grainy and smooth in certain areas of the scene. I am not sure if this is due to a bad source, I am running TiVo through my Denon AVR to the TV, or if there is a picture setting that is causing this or can fix it. It is hard to explain, but I noticed this on the 900B as well, it is alot less distracting on the 950B though. Anyone know what this is? I am going to post this in the 900B thread as well as I noticed it on that set as well.

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Who is your cable provider? Does it do it on all TV shows on that channel, all channels or only Arrow?

I noticed some graininess with my TiVo Roamio Pro and got rid of it by swapping out the HDMI cable and removing the port replicator. Give it a try.
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Here are my X950B observations. I think this is an excellent UHD TV!



Pros:
  1. Great color, but would like to have had separate Wide and Live color settings.
  2. Did not observe any vertical banding or flash lighting
  3. Black bars on movies stay inky black
  4. Impulse mode is actually usable - panel doesn't appear to dim as dramatically as models such as the 2013 W900A

Cons:
  1. Input lag in game mode is 40ms (Leo Bodnar lag tester middle bar/average reading).
    1. Great for a UHD TV, but not interested in more lag than my current TV.
  2. Impulse mode is NOT available in Game or Graphics mode!
  3. Scaling of 1080p to 2160p is mediocre for graphics, even in Game or Graphics mode :
    • Chroma subsampling artifacts - color bleed between boardering pixels with moderate or above chromatic difference.
    • Ringing artifacts (tried turning all settings off and adjusting sharpness to no avail)
    • No pixel resize scaling option (1080p 1x1 to 2x2 or 720p 1x1 to 3x3
      1. Panasonic's UHD LCDs have a "1080p pixel by 4pixels" setting that could be great for computer and gaming usage. Sadly no such option is available on Sony UHDs, and it's unclear if Panasonics scaling feature can apply to 720p sources.
  4. Noticeable overdrive trailing with graphics on flat colors
  5. HDMI 2.0 not fully supported. This is stated in Sony's specifications, so not really an observation per-say. This does remind me of the model year 1080p panels were first available where the input resolution maxed out at 1080i...
Given these my particular cons I don't think the X950B is a good fit for me. I'm considering the following models/series when they become availabe later this year:

LG 65EC9800 (-curved; -Likely >50ms inpug lag; +OLED!)
Panasonic AX900 series (-IPS panel/black level; +Might have WCG LEDs; ++1080p pixel by 4pixels!)
Toshiba L9400 series (???)


If I only used a TV for cable and blu-ray, I think I'd still consider the 65X950B. Its certainly the best looking 2014 UHD LCD to date!
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I went to the sony store today with some 4k clips to check out the 950 and wow! The contrast on the tv is unreal. I'm so happy I paid the extra 2500 and went for the 950 over the 900b,sony was giving me as a 900 b as a replacement for my 900a. At first I was kind of bummed I was loosing passive 3d but after seeing the 950 in action today who cares about 3d. The 950 is backordered here in canada but I should see it sometime next month... I hope.

The 950 in store had a minor band I could see with soccer, but it was a lot better then my last 3 900a.
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A bit off topic here folks, but anyone heard when the 2014 value electronics flat panel shoot date will be? The 950 should be included.

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Here are my X950B observations. I think this is an excellent UHD TV!



Pros:
  1. Great color, but would like to have had separate Wide and Live color settings.
  2. Did not observe any vertical banding or flash lighting
  3. Black bars on movies stay inky black
  4. Impulse mode is actually usable - panel doesn't appear to dim as dramatically as models such as the 2013 W900A

Cons:
  1. Input lag in game mode is 40ms (Leo Bodnar lag tester middle bar/average reading).
    1. Great for a UHD TV, but not interested in more lag than my current TV.
  2. Impulse mode is NOT available in Game or Graphics mode!
  3. Scaling of 1080p to 2160p is mediocre for graphics, even in Game or Graphics mode :
    • Chroma subsampling artifacts - color bleed between boardering pixels with moderate or above chromatic difference.
    • Ringing artifacts (tried turning all settings off and adjusting sharpness to no avail)
    • No pixel resize scaling option (1080p 1x1 to 2x2 or 720p 1x1 to 3x3
      1. Panasonic's UHD LCDs have a "1080p pixel by 4pixels" setting that could be great for computer and gaming usage. Sadly no such option is available on Sony UHDs, and it's unclear if Panasonics scaling feature can apply to 720p sources.
  4. Noticeable overdrive trailing with graphics on flat colors
  5. HDMI 2.0 not fully supported. This is stated in Sony's specifications, so not really an observation per-say. This does remind me of the model year 1080p panels were first available where the input resolution maxed out at 1080i...
Given these my particular cons I don't think the X950B is a good fit for me. I'm considering the following models/series when they become availabe later this year:

LG 65EC9800 (-curved; -Likely >50ms inpug lag; +OLED!)
Panasonic AX900 series (-IPS panel/black level; +Might have WCG LEDs; ++1080p pixel by 4pixels!)
Toshiba L9400 series (???)


If I only used a TV for cable and blu-ray, I think I'd still consider the 65X950B. Its certainly the best looking 2014 UHD LCD to date!
I think your review is spot on. I'm returning my 950 sets for different reasons.
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A bit off topic here folks, but anyone heard when the 2014 value electronics flat panel shoot date will be? The 950 should be included.

I have been following several threads a fair amount as I am in the market for a new TV. Recently, I saw something where they may have pushed this back to August 8th -9th, as originally they were planning for mid July.
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A bit off topic here folks, but anyone heard when the 2014 value electronics flat panel shoot date will be? The 950 should be included.

There's a dedicated Thread in the Community News Forum...


Value Electronics 10th Annual Display Shoot-Out - Updated 5/29/2014


AVS member imagic does a pretty good job keeping us up to date on the dates and other details in the very first post...
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I think your review is spot on. I'm returning my 950 sets for different reasons.
Care to share the reasons?
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Considering buying this TV

I'm in the market looking for a new set and was considering this as an option. Some of your negative reviews have me rethinking a bit though. Are there any downsides to this set compared to the 900b besides the price (of course) and the speakers (which I don't need)?


I know that price is not a topic for conversation on the board but I wonder if anyone would be willing to share by private message the offers that were made to them so I can decide if what I was told seems fair.
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I'm in the market looking for a new set and was considering this as an option. Some of your negative reviews have me rethinking a bit though. Are there any downsides to this set compared to the 900b besides the price (of course) and the speakers (which I don't need)?


I know that price is not a topic for conversation on the board but I wonder if anyone would be willing to share by private message the offers that were made to them so I can decide if what I was told seems fair.
Reach out to Cleveland Plasma. I know he has the 65X900B for $4,200 delivered. I'm not sure of his price for the 950B.
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I bought the 950B today in Best Buy, I was shocked to hear that it was the first 950B sold in the whole district! that's crazy considering I live in NJ.

It's also shocking how much they push to sell you the 5 year extended warranty, it got to a point where I felt pressure and had to be very direct....

I'm planning on using the TV for Soccer/MLB//Movies 75% of the time and some PS4/XBO and PC gaming. I'll post my feedback soon after I receive my TV (arriving July 3rd)

I went with the 950B because I cannot tolerate the low black levels on any other LED I've seen, I'm upgrading a phenomenal set to begin with, Panny VT25 (Plasma) ; so getting good black levels was paramount to me, since the setup is in a basement media room and black levels pop in that room.

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Would love to hear what you think about the 950. Canada is on back order right now so the only way I make it through the days is reading what people are posting about there's.


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I bought the 950B today in Best Buy, I was shocked to hear that it was the first 950B sold in the whole district! that's crazy considering I live in NJ.

It's also shocking how much they push to sell you the 5 year extended warranty, it got to a point where I felt pressure and had to be very direct....

I'm planning on using the TV for Soccer/MLB//Movies 75% of the time and some PS4/XBO and PC gaming. I'll post my feedback soon after I receive my TV (arriving July 3rd)

I went with the 950B because I cannot tolerate the low black levels on any other LED I've seen, I'm upgrading a phenomenal set to begin with, Panny VT25 (Plasma) ; so getting good black levels was paramount to me, since the setup is in a basement media room and black levels pop in that room.
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I think your review is spot on. I'm returning my 950 sets for different reasons.

What will you replace it with?
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I bought the 950B today in Best Buy, I was shocked to hear that it was the first 950B sold in the whole district! that's crazy considering I live in NJ.

It's also shocking how much they push to sell you the 5 year extended warranty, it got to a point where I felt pressure and had to be very direct....
Well, you know they're not making very much selling you a $8k TV. They need to make some more on the warranty. Please think of the BB employees!
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Well, you know they're not making very much selling you a $8k TV. They need to make some more on the warranty. Please think of the BB employees!
Good point, but aren't those extended warranties third party honored?
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Care to share the reasons?
One set had debris under the backlight diffuser but behind the LCD all over the place, another had dead pixels and bad banding, and another had a issue with the filter for the polarization so there was an oval shaped white spot on a solid black screen about 9x12 inches in the middle of the screen. Called sony and went all the way up to their relations department. They acted as though they couldn't be bothered and wanted to throw me back down to tech support. So in turn I couldn't be bothered to give $16000 in business to Sony. I think I'm done buying Sony TV sets.

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What will you replace it with?
I am looking at some posts I've seen about a Panasonic AX900. Supposedly has 128 local dimming zones, is full array backlight, the chassis doesn't look cheap, is also supposed to go head to head with the old ZT60 plasma and hold it's own in a better image. It also has a true quad core processor and runs at 3Ghz and calculates local dimming real time, and has an IPS display. So my take is it could be good for gaming and sports, plus be a winner for my movie viewing.

Sony's customer service keeps declining and this coupled with so many bad experiences with the 950B I'm just not willing to waste more time with Sony and their antics.
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Black!

Reminds me of a client I sold a new computer to that I made myself. Return rate was probably less than 1% - but, theirs came back - replaced, and no more issues. But the client said to think nothing of it - their last name was Black, and no matter what they bought, everything had issues!
Glad the replacement didn't fall into that category. (Checked out their returned CPU. Nada. Resold and never hear of this new client having any issues.)

Where does one think the Sony pricing will go once the 4K 65" OLED arrives on the scene?
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Reminds me of a client I sold a new computer to that I made myself. Return rate was probably less than 1% - but, theirs came back - replaced, and no more issues. But the client said to think nothing of it - their last name was Black, and no matter what they bought, everything had issues!
Glad the replacement didn't fall into that category. (Checked out their returned CPU. Nada. Resold and never hear of this new client having any issues.)

Where does one think the Sony pricing will go once the 4K 65" OLED arrives on the scene?
Go back a few pages and you will see a couple photos I uploaded of the backlight coking through a solid black screen. Once you went beneath eye level at the top of the TV set the light bleed got worse coming through the middle of the tv. While I'm sure your client may have been a pain, these are issues I've shown best buy and they have acknowledged because they can't not see them. They are painfully obvious.

Hence the reason I think it's odd. I'm guessing a bad batch or foul handling of the set. But these issues mostly stood out like a sore thumb and it was impossible to ignore. Not even for a $1,000 TV set.

Either way it got me looking at Panasonic on the AX900.
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Go back a few pages and you will see a couple photos I uploaded of the backlight coking through a solid black screen. Once you went beneath eye level at the top of the TV set the light bleed got worse coming through the middle of the tv. While I'm sure your client may have been a pain, these are issues I've shown best buy and they have acknowledged because they can't not see them. They are painfully obvious.

Hence the reason I think it's odd. I'm guessing a bad batch or foul handling of the set. But these issues mostly stood out like a sore thumb and it was impossible to ignore. Not even for a $1,000 TV set.

Either way it got me looking at Panasonic on the AX900.
Bummer, the quality control with what should be an excellent high end product is a shame. I just watched a 950 in a dim room with 4K and I thought it looked amazing. The depth of the picture and black level was excellent. I still do not think the Panasonic will come close to the Sony. Good luck with what ever you end up with. Be careful with a Best Buys, they have limited returns/exchanges and then you could be stuck with a defective set.
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One set had debris under the backlight diffuser but behind the LCD all over the place, another had dead pixels and bad banding, and another had a issue with the filter for the polarization so there was an oval shaped white spot on a solid black screen about 9x12 inches in the middle of the screen. Called sony and went all the way up to their relations department. They acted as though they couldn't be bothered and wanted to throw me back down to tech support. So in turn I couldn't be bothered to give $16000 in business to Sony. I think I'm done buying Sony TV sets.



I am looking at some posts I've seen about a Panasonic AX900. Supposedly has 128 local dimming zones, is full array backlight, the chassis doesn't look cheap, is also supposed to go head to head with the old ZT60 plasma and hold it's own in a better image. It also has a true quad core processor and runs at 3Ghz and calculates local dimming real time, and has an IPS display. So my take is it could be good for gaming and sports, plus be a winner for my movie viewing.

Sony's customer service keeps declining and this coupled with so many bad experiences with the 950B I'm just not willing to waste more time with Sony and their antics.
Ha ha ha... sorry, I just have to laugh. I bought a Panasonic AX800 TV and it arrived June 13th with an obvious cracked screen. Here it is, almost 3 weeks later, and I still have the huge box sitting in my front hallway. I eventually cancelled my order because there is only a 30 day return window and the replacement was going to come in after that. I almost wonder if they time it like this just so you can only return one.
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Well, you know they're not making very much selling you a $8k TV. They need to make some more on the warranty. Please think of the BB employees!
Am I correct that your being facetious?

Employee discount likely takes it down to below $5K or less and then they are still making an acceptable profit. Historically, about 45% of BB profits were attributed to extended warranty GRAVY!

BB Employee's don't receive commissions just stress/pressure to sell gravy like Finance Managers at Auto Dealers upsell ridiculous packages at closings but they make generous commissions off the sucker upsell.

Recently I bought a Certified BMW convertible and when they handed me over to the Finance guy (on a car I wasn't financing) I could not believe the Matrix chart of items they were trying to UPsell five columns across and about 30 variations on a car that was Certified with full warranty for years. It's simply gotten out of hand in retail as I grew up and worked in the Dealer business but now the upsell packages are nearly comical suckersville as an industry grasping at straws because it add's so much to the corporate pocket NOT the employee. The Employee at BB reaps little reward for the Gravy only the corporate fat cats that drain the company into bankruptcy.

Business Retail and it's exemptions has just created a legal form of poverty level serfdom/slavery - you'll never see a middle class in the Retail Sector. Sony sells the 2013's at less than half now and is still making money so it tells you the markup and I'm sure Cleveland pricing tells us Sony $8K is artificial because he still makes a living with a generous discount here. Rant over!

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Am I correct that your being facetious?
Of course not. I would never use sarcasm on AVSforum. That would be unconscionable!

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