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Best Buy has the 850, 900, and 950 all grouped together as part of their 4K display.
Here is my observation. As you go up from the 850, you can see improvement in color and contrast. However, if you looked at the 850 or 900 by itself, not in proximity to the 950, it would be very highly rated, with outstanding color and contrast. The 900 speakers make the display very wide. In fact, I saw the 79" 900B. It's 80 inches wide.

Here's the rub. I was very disappointed with the off-axis picture of the 950. When I got outside of 35-40 degrees, there was a noticeable loss of color and contrast. I thought the off-axis viewing on the 850 and 900 were better than the 950. Could that be because the 950 is full array?
How did you find the black levels and contrast on the 79 vs the other sets?
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The 79 inch 900 model was not on display. I viewed it out of the box. It's a monster. At this time, they have no plans to display it.
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Owners of the 950 watch skyfall!
Yes the black levels look this good.
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Best Buy has the 850, 900, and 950 all grouped together as part of their 4K display.
Here is my observation. As you go up from the 850, you can see improvement in color and contrast. However, if you looked at the 850 or 900 by itself, not in proximity to the 950, it would be very highly rated, with outstanding color and contrast. The 900 speakers make the display very wide. In fact, I saw the 79" 900B. It's 80 inches wide.

Here's the rub. I was very disappointed with the off-axis picture of the 950. When I got outside of 35-40 degrees, there was a noticeable loss of color and contrast. I thought the off-axis viewing on the 850 and 900 were better than the 950. Could that be because the 950 is full array?
I'm no expert but my guess is the view angle probably has more to do with the LCD cell (TFT film and back plane ) ,polarizer and any screen transmittivity and screen coatings more than the back light .

ofc any sets that use S-IPS panels will have a better view angle than AMVA ,SPVA ,or ASV panels.

I believe *some * of the 9x Sonys may use LGD S-IPS panels others would use mostly AUO AMVA and maybe the odd Samsung SPVA or Sharp ASV panel now and then and with the 84" or is it 85" using an CMO Innolux VA panel of some type .

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How did you find the black levels and contrast on the 79 vs the other sets?
You have your eye on that 79" don't you?
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I also have noticed the poor viewing angle of the 950B, it is the only big flaw I found. I know I would be in the sweat spot, I am afraid my wife might notice from the computer chair that it is not as good as the 900B and say something. There is no way I could tell her it cost more, she would never understand black levels.

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I also have noticed the poor viewing angle of the 950B, it is the only big flaw I found. I know I would be in the sweat spot, I am afraid my wife might notice from the computer chair that it is not as good as the 900B and say something. There is no way I could tell her it cost more, she would never understand black levels.

mmmm......yea I cant imagine wifey getting on with LCD black levels either, she might notice the view angle though black levels are kind a guy thing like over steer,under steer and turn in if you know what I mean ?.............. and there is the money thing !

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Well guys, my bad luck continues...The delivery guys brought out the new screen today, and unfortunately, it had a nice big spiderweb crack in the bottom front of the panel. Thank god they didn't disassemble the old unit yet and I at least have that one. I haven't called to complain yet and find out when I will get another one sent out. I honestly think the delivery guys my have cracked it. I was inside unhooking the old TV and go to the garage and they had the new one face down on a blanket, balancing on the box. It seemed secure, but he then used an electric screwdriver to put the feet on. I think he may have put too much pressure on the screen. When the next one comes, I am going to take charge and make sure that we follow the directions to put the legs on. The thing that gets me is that it was the same guys that brought out my first 950B, and that time, they brought the new set inside and turned it on the side to put the legs on. Now it is possible that they didn't cause the crack, I guess it doesn't matter to me, as long as they extend my return policy and get me another exchange.
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You have your eye on that 79" don't you?
An extra 1k for a 79 inch with passive 3d sounds to good to be true. The problem is I just know the blacks on the 79 are not going to hold up. Most ips panels have 700:1 native contrast and some are worst. Some owners say the black levels are good but coming from owning many plasmas and the elite my idea of good blacks if different then most people. I owned the x900a for like 3 months and that set had decent blacks but it was a va panel, but to get those deep blacks it turns down the back light so much that things looked dim and you loose contrast. I've searched reviews on lots on edge lit ips panels and none have great blacks. Sonys top end 1080p set moved to ips this year and every review says the black and contrast are lacking. I'm not willing to sacrifice contrast and black levels a ton just to move up to the 79 so I think it probably won't happen. The other thing holding me back is if I get the 79 I will have to loose my projector setup with a sony hw50es and a 92 inch screen(great blacks). So when I think about it this way it's like I can have a 65 inch with crazy good blacks and a projector setup or I can move to a 79 inch loose the projector and have poorer blacks but passive 3d, just does not seem worth it...... But I still wanna see a 79 so I can say see these blacks kinda suck, then I can put my brain to rest
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IPS vs VA on x950 could be solved if new how many dimming zones there are. If there are too little, IPS is the first to suffer because VA natural contrast ration can smoothly fill the caps in transitions. Also when we are talking about nuances, number of backlight control steps / logic comes to play. Scientifically VA is always better within one dimming zone. But if the zones are small, you won't notice the difference as the most of the grayscale control is done with backlight and not with LC's.

Panasonic at least thinks IPS+FALD is best of both worlds and their flagship TV will use this combination launched later this year.(ax900) ax800 uses VA.
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I also have noticed the poor viewing angle of the 950B, it is the only big flaw I found.
That would be a flaw of all LED's .......
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@Adamd : Is it confirmed that the 79" has an IPS panel? I mean we have last year's X900 as an example for a 4K TV with passive 3D and and a VA panel.
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@Adamd : Is it confirmed that the 79" has an IPS panel? I mean we have last year's X900 as an example for a 4K TV with passive 3D and and a VA panel.
Yes it has an ips panel. It can be seen just from viewing angles. It's been confirmed from someone looking at the pixels.
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That would be a flaw of all LED's .......
Not those with IPS panels.
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Owners of the 950 watch skyfall!
Yes the black levels look this good.
This is excellent.
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I have an LG with an S-IPS panel in one of the bedrooms the view angle is much better than the other sets including my Sony all with VA panels while good and all as LCD goes it can't touch the Sammy PDP view angle and ofc the blacks and contrast of the Sammy or any of the other sets here .ofc it's no Sony 9x /9.5x either .

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@Adamd : Is it confirmed that the 79" has an IPS panel? I mean we have last year's X900 as an example for a 4K TV with passive 3D and and a VA panel.
Very good point the 79 should be like last years with new xtended contrast. Sony will get the most out of the 79, you would think they would not want their $9,000 to be know for poor black levels.
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I restarted watching breaking bad in 4k this weekend and wow the 950 is a beast! The contrast and black levels are unreal. I'm really loving this set and finally don't miss my vt50. I hope my replacement is free of debris under the lcd.
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Absolutely love this TV set. The only thing I noticed was 1 small black "smudge" about the size of a penny at the middle top of the picture. I don't know if this is a big issue, I cannot exactly unsee it but I think I can try to live with it. It is not noticeable on all scenes, just light or white color scenes. Question is do I chance it with another set or am should I keep what I have? I attached a picture but its a little hard to see. I also tried to slightly massage it out but no dice.


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Absolutely love this TV set. The only thing I noticed was 1 small black "smudge" about the size of a penny at the middle top of the picture. I don't know if this is a big issue, I cannot exactly unsee it but I think I can try to live with it. It is not noticeable on all scenes, just light or white color scenes. Question is do I chance it with another set or am should I keep what I have? I attached a picture but its a little hard to see. I also tried to slightly massage it out but no dice.


Appreciate your help and opinions.
You already said it when you said it. "I cannot unsee it". Now you know it's there it will bug you and if you don't try to get one without the smudge of smaug...there will always be this doubt that you coulda shoulda woulda. Best of luck to you. Sony needs to get the drunks off QC and up their game to stay in the game. There are other competitors upcoming fast IMO.


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My rankings for the best available TV displays. I thought this might be helpful for someone that Is pondering what to purchase. I also posted on the 900B site even thou 99% of us read both.

1. Sony 65x950B: This set has the best of what makes a TV's excellent, almost perfect blacks, excellent contrast and superb color and a beautiful design. It's negatives are so few they are the same ones you have with any LED, The positives of this picture out way the negatives by a large margin.

2. LG 55 OLED: Perfect black levels, superb contrast and excellent color. If you want to see what the camera saw when filming you will come closet to this with an OLED. Negatives, non-4K, size, IR or possible BI and longevity is not known. A big advantage with the OLED for me is bright room reflection. When sitting straight on during the day I see very little reflection, the 900B is a mirror no matter what I do which hurts it bright room performance (very specific to my living room)

3. Sony 65X900B: The 65B takes local dimming to a level never achieved before. The black levels are right there with the best plasmas, superb contrast and as with the 950B some of the best Color I have ever seen on any panel. Negative are the banding and in most case it is so minor it's not even an issue. Why it is number three for me black levels rule, while excellent they do not compare to the 950B or OLED.


So why do I rate the 950B higher than the OLED? The OLED has better contrast and black levels while the 950 has better color, size and is 4K. When in the sweet spot of the 950 it's black levels are so good you won't care if you own an OLED.

The only reason I have an LG OLED and not the 950B is price. Not that the 950B is not worth the money, I just could not pay that much for a TV and justify it to myself. I went with the performance leader I could afford and that's the OLED.
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Absolutely love this TV set. The only thing I noticed was 1 small black "smudge" about the size of a penny at the middle top of the picture. I don't know if this is a big issue, I cannot exactly unsee it but I think I can try to live with it. It is not noticeable on all scenes, just light or white color scenes. Question is do I chance it with another set or am should I keep what I have? I attached a picture but its a little hard to see. I also tried to slightly massage it out but no dice.


Appreciate your help and opinions.
It's hard to say that's probably something you would forget about and never really see. It looks better then my set. Mine has some debris under the LCD panel and from seating distance looks like a bug on the screen. It's an expensive tv and you should be happy so you could try another tv. Only thing is will the next one have somthing worst. Sony makes a beautiful set but there quality control is poor at best.
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Absolutely love this TV set. The only thing I noticed was 1 small black "smudge" about the size of a penny at the middle top of the picture. I don't know if this is a big issue, I cannot exactly unsee it but I think I can try to live with it. It is not noticeable on all scenes, just light or white color scenes. Question is do I chance it with another set or am should I keep what I have? I attached a picture but its a little hard to see. I also tried to slightly massage it out but no dice.


Appreciate your help and opinions.
Mine has 1 dead pixel and after putting a lot of thought into it I figured, there's no such thing as a perfect set, they all one way or another have something wrong if we start looking deep, I chose to keep mine because what are the odds of my replacement being better....

I'm super picky, but I had a 2 inch scratch on my old XBR4 and some dead pixels that popped after 6 years and since it wasn't mine main TV I didn't care, honestly we watched a ton of TV there with my wife and overtime I just forgot to focus on the faults (which were many) and enjoy the TV..... Having said that, I wouldn't tolerate that on a flagship TV with it's flagship price like the 950B, the smudge you have is small enough but it shouldn't be there....

Just be prepared to accept a TV that potentially has some "imperfection" at some point unless you can live with the smudge that is, I can assure you, that you will forget eventually if you choose to keep it. It's your call, just make sure you're happy with it at the end of the day.
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Thanks for your responses, its not awful and I'm lucky its not a worse issue. Its just hard to unsee it lol, I can get a replacement in about 4 days but I would have to return this one first. I have my old Panasonic plasma I can use for now, I'm just afraid of possibly getting a new set with a worse issue.... this one is near perfect for me. I tried a flat cold object and the massage home remedies but it had no change. I'm thinking about trying a factory reset to exhaust all my home options before deciding to exchange or not. This TV is amazing other than that little spot, watching movies and playing video games are both impressive.

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I can't believe I still have not found one professional review on the 950b.
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Must be Sony hiding the truth from the pros
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or better- Sony paying off the pros to remain shhhh!!
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You are too afraid to handle the TRUTH. The TRUTH is OLED.



Within 90 days you can own a 65" 4K OLED for the same price as your spending on the 950B. The question is, why not wait?
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You are too afraid to handle the TRUTH. The TRUTH is OLED.



Within 90 days you can own a 65" 4K OLED for the same price as your spending on the 950B. The question is, why not wait?
Vegas! Enough about OLED...There are plenty of threads for that. Let's stick to the 950B discussion in this thread...I appreciate your love for the OLED and your input in the 900B/950B threads, but you don't need to keep harping on OLED!!!

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Enough about OLED...There are plenty of threads for that. Let's stick to the 950B discussion in this thread...
Like I said you cannot handle the truth. JK, I just want to let you know there might be a great payoff for this who wait. I for one did not want to be regretting a $8k purchase when I know what's around the corner.

The article on UHDTV future should make anyone pause and think before committing to sets that might be obsolete in 2 years.

Here is the link, I for one cannot spend $8k on a TV every two years.

UHD/4K Quandary: To Buy or Not to Buy
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