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No matter how good the PQ, 55" is tiny by today's home theater standards. There's no way I could enjoy a movie on that size display regardless of its picture. Between it being 55" and only HD, it's a non-starter for me.
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The best 65X950B review yet:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/xbr65...1407223857.htm

It also has some good tips to improve local dimming and PQ in general
Very impressive review, 'is this the TV of the year?'.
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Very impressive review, 'is this the TV of the year?'.
I certainly hope not. Not with the QC and amount of people that have chimed in on here. A set should be reviewed based on what it can do and also what the median level of quality is. This Brand doesn't seem to show it any longer IMHO.

The only reason it could be set of the year is because everyone else has gone to edge lit, hasn't released their full lineup (AX900 Panasonic), or no longer offer plasma. And that's just a victory due to lack of competition. Hardly noteworthy unfortunately.

Is the set impressive in some ways yes. In whole, picture, design, features, quality, and worth the $8,000? Absolutely not!
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No matter how good the PQ, 55" is tiny by today's home theater standards. There's no way I could enjoy a movie on that size display regardless of its picture. Between it being 55" and only HD, it's a non-starter for me.
C'mon Ken, 55" is by no means tiny. Maybe in your eyes, unless you are talking about real home theatres (projectors) I laughed when you said you couldn't enjoy a movie watching in it that size. So you would rather see a movie in a bigger size LCD with clouding, than a Pionner Elite Kuro, Panasonic ZT60, Samsung f8500 or a LG OLED?

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AdamB that is a very similar spot that I saw on my first set except it was top center. It wasn't really too noticeable but being in the center I could sometimes see it on clear blue sky scenes. If its not noticeable and you received a good display otherwise I would prob say keep it.
Is that why you got a replacement? How was your second set?
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Is that why you got a replacement? How was your second set?
Mine was right in the top center so it was pretty noticeable to me that's why I decided to get a replacement. It was not visible in most other scenes except cloud/sky and white scenes. If it was off to the side it would have been easy to forget, The new set is much better.

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Mine was right in the top center so it was pretty noticeable to me that's why I decided to get a replacement. It was not visible in most other scenes except cloud/sky and white scenes. If it was off to the side it would have been easy to forget, The new set is much better.
That's good your next sets better. Any issues with your replacement? I've been watching my set the last two
Hours any even on sky scenes and brighter scenes I still can't pick it out, even looking for it. It's much better then my first set.My first one I'd see the black mark with out even looking for it, it was dead centre though. It still bugs me though knowing it's there and that it's such an expensive set, I hope just get over it. If not I'm not trying a third.
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It's bothering you and always will ($8000 should answer the bother-wait for a better one!
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C'mon Ken, 55" is by no means tiny. Maybe in your eyes, unless you are talking about real home theatres (projectors) I laughed when you said you couldn't enjoy a movie watching in it that size. So you would rather see a movie in a bigger size LCD with clouding, than a Pionner Elite Kuro, Panasonic ZT60, Samsung f8500 or a LG OLED?

To each his own I guess.
I didn't say that. But yes, I would rather watch my 64" F8500 than a 55" OLED. That's almost 10" bigger and in my eyes a big difference. Yes, absolutely. As for the other UHD sets I've looked at, since I haven't seen them in darker ambient lighting, I'll reserve judgement.
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That's good your next sets better. Any issues with your replacement? I've been watching my set the last two
Hours any even on sky scenes and brighter scenes I still can't pick it out, even looking for it. It's much better then my first set.My first one I'd see the black mark with out even looking for it, it was dead centre though. It still bugs me though knowing it's there and that it's such an expensive set, I hope just get over it. If not I'm not trying a third.


I managed to discover a small similar spot in the same general area a couple days ago (on the replacement set) but honestly it is luckily not at all as pronounced as the first one and (knock on wood) not noticeable at all. Both of the TV sets were May builds, not sure what yours were. The spot on the first TV looked like a faint black smudge.


I know its tough to get over because of the price of the TV, but if its not visible at all from a decent distance and then it doesn't hurt so much lol.

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I managed to discover a small similar spot in the same general area a couple days ago (on the replacement set) but honestly it is luckily not at all as pronounced as the first one and (knock on wood) not noticeable at all. Both of the TV sets were May builds, not sure what yours were. The spot on the first TV looked like a faint black smudge.


I know its tough to get over because of the price of the TV, but if its not visible at all from a decent distance and then it doesn't hurt so much lol.
Both of my sets are June builds. To bad your set has another one too. Sounds like we are in the same boat. Are you able to spot yours at your seating distance if you really look for it?
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Both of my sets are June builds. To bad your set has another one too. Sounds like we are in the same boat. Are you able to spot yours at your seating distance if you really look for it?


I can't really spot mine, I have to be OCD looking for it like right in front of the screen. I know where it is but can't really see it even if I try to.

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Both of my sets are June builds. To bad your set has another one too. Sounds like we are in the same boat. Are you able to spot yours at your seating distance if you really look for it?
I'm sure many of you have seen a lot of cheaper sets, and I doubt that this debris issue was found in any of them.
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I didn't say that. But yes, I would rather watch my 64" F8500 than a 55" OLED. That's almost 10" bigger and in my eyes a big difference. Yes, absolutely. As for the other UHD sets I've looked at, since I haven't seen them in darker ambient lighting, I'll reserve judgement.
Will be interesting as to the comments once these 4Ks and OLEDs hit the 1 year old mark.
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I didn't say that. But yes, I would rather watch my 64" F8500 than a 55" OLED. That's almost 10" bigger and in my eyes a big difference. Yes, absolutely. As for the other UHD sets I've looked at, since I haven't seen them in darker ambient lighting, I'll reserve judgement.
If you do not have an extreme bright room like I do the f8500 is great. The Sony 900B is very good in a dark room, IMO better choice than the 950B and you can save 4k for a rainy day or vacation for the wife to buy forgiveness for your new purchase. I really like the f8500, it is my favorite plasma. It is plenty bright in my living room the blacks just were washed out during the day, at night I loved it.
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I am amazed at what you guys will accept for $8,000.

+1. I know no set is perfect, but the X950B seems to be a crap shoot. Some owners are clearly identifying defects, but seem willing to accept them. I know perfection doesn't exist (OLED gets damn close), but we should expect excellence at this price point. I know some of this is inherent to the technology, but Sony's QC seems to also be at play. I guess 2014 is not the year to jump in.

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+1. I know no set is perfect, but the X950B seems to be a crap shoot. Some owners are clearly identifying defects, but seem willing to accept them. I know perfection doesn't exist (OLED gets damn close), but we should expect excellence at this price point. I know some of this is inherent to the technology, but Sony's QC seems to also be at play. I guess 2014 is not the year to jump in.
At least not the year to jump in with Sony, just like last year's offerings. I'm beginning to see a pattern emerge here.... Hmmmm.....
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There is no perfect TV. If there was that would be the only one people would buy. Everyone picks the compromises they can live with and the ones they can't.

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The best 65X950B review yet:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/xbr65...1407223857.htm

It also has some good tips to improve local dimming and PQ in general

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[QUOTE=bakerwi;26097946]+1. I know no set is perfect, but the X950B seems to be a crap shoot. Some owners are clearly identifying defects, but seem willing to accept them. I know perfection doesn't exist (OLED gets damn close), but we should expect excellence at this price point. I know some of this is inherent to the technology, but Sony's QC seems to also be at play. I guess 2014 is not the year to jump in.[/QUO

I still have a 1080i plasma display so I really need to upgrade. With all the issues and high price of the 950, I'm wondering if I should look at the 850 as a temporary fix to hold me over for a year or two. The price is much lower and so are the expectations. Hopefully, by that time, some of the current issues will be worked out, prices will be lower, and OLED will be more readily available.
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I am amazed at what you guys will accept for $8,000.
That is a high price for this set in the first place.
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That is a high price for this set in the first place.
$6500 is more like the street price...or $6250 from Chris...
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On another note...I got the replacement 950B on Saturday afternoon. I opened the box and put the feet on while one of the delivery guys held it up on each side per the manual. I haven't been able to fully put it through the paces yet. I will post more on the TV itself later...I kind of accidentally watched some 3D on the new 950B last night...Put in Toy Story 3, didn't realize I put the 3D disc in...The TV automatically switched to 3D mode, so I decided to open up the glasses and test it...It actually looked really good in my opinion...I noticed some artifiacting, which I initially thoguht was banding, but I actually think it was 3D Crosstalk. This only happened on a few fast moving scenes. Otherwise I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the 3D. The active 3D didn't give me a headache or make me sick, which was surprising. I'm not the biggest 3D fan, but I will test a few other 3D discs that I have tonight if I have time.

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On another note...I got the replacement 950B on Saturday afternoon. I opened the box and put the feet on while one of the delivery guys held it up on each side per the manual. I haven't been able to fully put it through the paces yet. I will post more on the TV itself later...I kind of accidentally watched some 3D on the new 950B last night...Put in Toy Story 3, didn't realize I put the 3D disc in...The TV automatically switched to 3D mode, so I decided to open up the glasses and test it...It actually looked really good in my opinion...I noticed some artifiacting, which I initially thoguht was banding, but I actually think it was 3D Crosstalk. This only happened on a few fast moving scenes. Otherwise I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the 3D. The active 3D didn't give me a headache or make me sick, which was surprising. I'm not the biggest 3D fan, but I will test a few other 3D discs that I have tonight if I have time.

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Like all the lcd 3d tv's I have had they show less crosstalk once the tv has warmed up a bit. So if the tv was just turned on it will show more crosstalk then if it was on for 30 minutes or so.
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The LG 65EC9700 65" 4K OLED TV will be comparably priced to the XBR-65X950B when it comes out in October. I love competition driving innovation and competitive pricing.
Unfortunately, it will have a curved screen.
However, It will have a 28 year life span which is great but it might outlive me

That being said, I just bought the 65X900B for the living room.
When a flat 75" 4K or 8K OLED TV comes out with all the bugs worked out in 3 years for a reasonable price, the X900B goes into the bedroom and the OLED gets a place in the living room.
I'm also hoping that there will actually be 4K content readily available to view, either with 4K Blu-ray discs or streaming.

http://hdguru.com/lgs-ultra-high-def...-price-leaked/

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Very impressive review, 'is this the TV of the year?'.
Not impressed with screen uniformity on the 950B at this price and you question if it is the best?

This will clearly be the best display of the year and you can pocket $1,000. 50-100 thousand hours lifespan. Woo hoo, I will call a TKO before poor Sony has to throw on the towel.

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Any comparative reviews?
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Any comparative reviews?
One display has a couple hundred light bulbs and the other has a few million pixels that light up. It's lights out for the 950B.
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