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andy sullivan 05-10-2014 02:07 PM

The new Sony 65W950B is being released on Sony's web site tomorrow. In trying to compare the new 65- 950B and the also available 2013 65- 850A on Sony's site it's difficult to see too many differences other than Passive vs Active 3D. The specs look almost identical but I assume that two different panels are being used (because of the 3d difference). They both use the X-Reality Pro engine and Triluminois. Disregarding any sound quality differences I'm kind of puzzled as to why they are even coming out with the 950B. Is there something that would make one have a better overall picture than the other?

andy sullivan 05-12-2014 12:06 PM

Is it too early for some thoughts comparing thes two sets frm Sony? It seems like the only major difference is Active 3d vs Passive 3d. Both are 65 inch with X-Reality Pro and Triluminance.

mlamanna 06-02-2014 02:52 AM

I was originally looking at Samsung top plasma and lcd 1080p sets, saw the w850a and read what i could on it. Its been 3 weeks since i bought the w850a and I'm blown away by it, i did tweak the pic settings... saved alot of money and very happy with the tv

andy sullivan 06-02-2014 10:40 AM

I couldn't agree more. I've had the 65w850a for about two weeks now and the over all PQ is the best I've seen for a 65" display that isn't 4K. If you go to the 65w850a thread and use Whitesands settings it's game over. The 65w850a has the highest owner ratings I've ever seen at Amazon. Can't get much better than 5 stars.

acermen1212 07-06-2014 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan (Post 24704883)
The new Sony 65W950B is being released on Sony's web site tomorrow. In trying to compare the new 65- 950B and the also available 2013 65- 850A on Sony's site it's difficult to see too many differences other than Passive vs Active 3D. The specs look almost identical but I assume that two different panels are being used (because of the 3d difference). They both use the X-Reality Pro engine and Triluminois. Disregarding any sound quality differences I'm kind of puzzled as to why they are even coming out with the 950B. Is there something that would make one have a better overall picture than the other?



I had the chance to look at it in detail at a store this weekend and it looked very good. Had better colors and great detail than the W850A. The blacks were not as inky black like the w850A but still very good. Saw the TV in a darken room and had a chance to play with the controls. The letterbox black bars look very black and the night scenes looked dark, they were not dark gray but black. Sony this year is using on alot of their TV's (4K and 1080P) an IPS panel from LG which is known for their great colors, brightness, better viewing angel but have a lesser contrast and blacks when compared to the SP-VA panels previously used by SONY. Sony is using a special circuit called X-Tend Dynamic Range to enhance the brightness and blacks (contrast) which offers an overall great picture. Sony had a lot of problems with the SP-VA panels from Samsung in the past with panels and maybe this will be the resolution. They will sell alot of these sets based on the great natural picture it produces.

weidaoduhpp 07-06-2014 07:55 PM

well done, The blacks were not as inky black like the w850A but still very good. Saw the TV in a darken room and had a chance to play with the controls. The letterbox black bars look very black and the night scenes looked dark, [IMG]http://*******/AN0mnq[/IMG]they were not dark gray but black.thanks

acermen1212 07-07-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by weidaoduhpp (Post 25540514)
well done, The blacks were not as inky black like the w850A but still very good. Saw the TV in a darken room and had a chance to play with the controls. The letterbox black bars look very black and the night scenes looked dark, [IMG]http://*******/AN0mnq[/IMG]they were not dark gray but black.thanks


Has anone else seen this TV? What are your comments?

Mr. Kong 07-19-2014 06:21 AM

Keeping this thread alive because this is the exact purchasing decision I'm making within the next couple weeks.

Researching new models led me to the W950B as the TV of choice, then I found out about the W850A on this forum—so to andy sullivan's point, maybe availability is sadly another difference between the two (I haven't seen the 850A in stores or advertised anywhere, and it's out of stock on Sony's site).

Edited to add, my other option is a 64" Samsung F5500 plasma. Similar price point. I've heard mixed reviews of the Sammy plasmas under the 8500 line though.

andy sullivan 07-19-2014 02:45 PM

The status of the 850a may be in flux. I would check with Sony and see if they are actually out of production or out of stock. Have you checked other sites? Best Buy, Frys' cleveland Plasma, Buydig, Pauls, Sears. I was in a Best Buy Wed. that has a Sony Dept inside with a Best Buy sony specialist. He had a 65w950b sitting ontop of a 70w850b. Same feed and I could see no difference at all. As much as I am long long time Sony fan I must admit the Sony's I really like all use Samsungs S-PVA panel. My wife asked me the obvious question. So maybe I'll end up with the Samsung 75in 6000 series, but
no 3d.

Mr. Kong 07-19-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan (Post 25878138)
The status of the 850a may be in flux. I would check with Sony and see if they are actually out of production or out of stock. Have you checked other sites? Best Buy, Frys' cleveland Plasma, Buydig, Pauls, Sears. I was in a Best Buy Wed. that has a Sony Dept inside with a Best Buy sony specialist. He had a 65w950b sitting ontop of a 70w850b. Same feed and I could see no difference at all. As much as I am long long time Sony fan I must admit the Sony's I really like all use Samsungs S-PVA panel. My wife asked me the obvious question. So maybe I'll end up with the Samsung 75in 6000 series, but no 3d.

I was just at the local Sears looking for this, and no dice. We don't have Fry's here as far as I know. The 850A isn't even listed on Amazon.ca. I'm going to be checking out a Costco and Best Buy tomorrow, but it's pretty much guaranteed they only have the newer models. Those guys might at least know how to get one in for me.

I'm still strongly considering the 70W850B, but the fact of the matter is it's a grand more than the 65W850A, and if those 5" are the only difference, I don't think that's worth $1000. On the other hand, if the 850A is impossible to find nowadays, the 950B is $2500, which is only a couple hundred bucks cheaper than the 70", so it's an easier sell to upgrade.

andy sullivan 07-19-2014 03:31 PM

I just checked and Best Buy has the 70w850b for $2099. I think that the Sony Store also has it for that price. Nice TV but I'm sending mine back because of the radial banding. May try another one or get the 65w950b.

Mr. Kong 07-19-2014 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by andy sullivan (Post 25879234)
I just checked and Best Buy has the 70w850b for $2099. I think that the Sony Store also has it for that price. Nice TV but I'm sending mine back because of the radial banding. May try another one or get the 65w950b.

Eek, it's $2885.98 here (Canadian). I'd have no hesitation about buying it for that price.

Let us know whichever way you decide to go. If you get a 70 without the radial banding that'll make me a lot more likely to lean in that direction. If you end up with the 950B, I'll be interested in hearing how you think it stacks up against the 850A.

BTW, if you're such a fan of the 850A, why are you in the market for the 70w850B or the 950B?

andy sullivan 07-19-2014 04:02 PM

I like the extra 5 inches with the 70w850b more than the picture quality increase with the 65w850a. The 70w850b I saw at Best Buy this week had been on display for 6 weeks and had no radial banding. I'm taking the chance that third time will be a charm. The picture quality on the 70w850b is really really good but the 65w850a's picture quality is really really really good (but clouding and flash lighting). From what I've seen the S-PVA panel has one weak spot and that is a propensity for clouding and flash lighting. The over all black levels and contrast are better though. If I could get the 70" with the S-PVA panel I would live with the clouding issue but that issue becomes bigger if I have to live with a 65". The clouding is more acceptable than the banding. See my dilemma? If I can get the 70w850b without banding I'll be happy. If not then the 65w950b seems to offer no banding and minimal clouding (IPS Panel) and the reviews indicate that the new X-Tended Dynamic Range feature allows for better blacks and contrast. A good choice if the 850a is or isn't available. Maybe. Unfortunately my contact is out of the office till July 28 so I'll have to wait till then. I notice that Amazon is selling the 65X850a for $2891. Maybe I could swap for that and a few hundred bucks. I'd probably do that.

Mr. Kong 07-19-2014 04:23 PM

Yes, I see your dilemma now. I think I'm going to lean towards the 70w850b to start. From what I've read, the local dimming is useless on the edge-lit 950b anyway, and Rtings claims the black levels / contrast ratio are better on the 850b. I have a feeling the X-tended Dynamic Range is a bit of a give-and-take, too, maybe introducing some bloom or clouding.

For my money, and knowing I'm probably going to be using it for gaming in Impulse mode the majority of the time, I think I'm going to try for a really good 70" set.

andy sullivan 07-19-2014 09:20 PM

As long as you get no banding I think you'll love your choice. If it shows up it will
during the first 20 to 30 hours. You can see what to look for early in the 850b thread.

Shaun. 07-19-2014 09:40 PM

What about between the 60w850b and the 65w850a? Apparently the 60w850b has a different panel to the 70w850b, so how does it compare to the 65w850a in terms of picture quality? I'm thinking the w850a might be better but not sure because of the clouding/flashlighting/banding/dark edges problems talked about in the owners thread. The w850b seems to have none of that and only radial banding for an unlucky few, but is also 5" smaller.

Sean Muldrow 07-20-2014 02:58 PM

FYI In case anyone was wondering frys has the 65w850a on sale today for 1,599$.

Tylerger 12-14-2014 03:44 PM

I had the w850b in my home for a few weeks and I ended up returning it. I improved the radial banding by moving the support feet through this center positions. Love the size, picture and color but noticed a fair amount of motion blur and figured the w950b might be better. The 850 has Motionflow xr240 Whereas the 950 has Motionflow xr480. Not entirely sure this will make a difference but I guess we'll see when I finally decide to pull the trigger.

Still not sure if I should save up my money for a 4K television but with my budget, I would have to get an inexpensive 4K television with lesser quality features all-around. I don't really know what to do.


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