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Moving parts? All the local dimming stuff are is lights, light guides, and software. Not sure what you mean, as it's not a clock. Lol. Both plasmas and LCDs are "fragile" as is most consumer electronic items. If there's some study out there showing more failures among one tech than the other I haven't seen it.
Thanks lol.I mean all the parts behind the display, I haven't said which one is more fragile,both are fragile.

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My reference to 'a more serious note' was obviously a bit too subtle...
Try sophomoric pun next time. Think juvenile humor and you'll succeed with him.

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Uncheck 'get email from forum managers' (not sure of the exact wording). I was getting the same thing.

Thanks - this is exactly what I am looking for - where do you find it???


Before posting this reply, I am now going down to Thread Subscription and selecting 'No email notification' as the 'Notification Type' but that doesn't seem to be changing anything :-(


Is there anything I need to do in 'My Settings' to cut this off the way you could in the old system? I've looked under 'My Setting' but cannot find anything...

Would really appreciate some more guidance from Ken or whoever as to where I can find this 'get email from forum managers' box to uncheck. My email continues to get flooded...
Go to User CP then to User Tagging and then Settings. It isn't the same thing yet it lists the option to disable emails for that stuff

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Would really appreciate some more guidance from Ken or whoever as to where I can find this 'get email from forum managers' box to uncheck. My email continues to get flooded...
Go to User CP then to User Tagging and then Settings. It isn't the same thing yet it lists the option to disable emails for that stuff

Thanks rlindo - checked all of the boxes and hopefully that stems the email flood


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Vinnie97 if both LCD and OLED use sample-and-hold display technology,what makes the OLED have a more natural motion?

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It's getting a bit OT but please visit the site I linked above. The only answer I can give is faster response times and not everyone being sensitive to motion in the exact same way (plus the fact that there are different types of motion blur). It's hard to account for subjective taste, but if you read the results of the recent UK shootout, you'll see remarks about how the infinite CR might have also played a role psychovisually.
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For anyone who's interested, I'll be over at my new article in the plasma section, talking about Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014

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For anyone who's interested, I'll be over at my new article in the plasma section, talking about Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014
That thread will not get as heated as this one. You know why? Because no one is going to argue that you made a bad choice going with the plasma, especially watching it in a non sun lit room.
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For anyone who's interested, I'll be over at my new article in the plasma section, talking about Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014
That thread will not get as heated as this one. You know why? Because no one is going to argue that you made a bad choice going with the plasma, especially watching it in a non sun lit room.
If you add cost to the equation, plasma remains a no-brainer for cinephiles. The filterless F53000 is not even that bad in a bright room, the blacks wash out but it's plenty bright. Mostly, having a LCD side-by-side with a plasma reminds me that there are two sides to the argument, and it's all to easy to lose sight of that.

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I really really hope OLED survives as it has the qualities I like about Plasma. With a bit of engineering I hope they can iron out kinks.
I do not think there will be any worries, even if LG has to do it all by themselves, I think OLED will survive .
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For anyone who's interested, I'll be over at my new article in the plasma section, talking about Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014
That thread will not get as heated as this one. You know why? Because no one is going to argue that you made a bad choice going with the plasma, especially watching it in a non sun lit room.
That's ONE reason why it won't get as heated......
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I really really hope OLED survives as it has the qualities I like about Plasma. With a bit of engineering I hope they can iron out kinks.
I do not think there will be any worries, even if LG has to do it all by themselves, I think OLED will survive .
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1406153818.htm

That is promising if it is true and happens.

I'm on board for OLED as long is it won't have as horrible IR as my Panny VT25 plasma does and won't be at serious risk for burn-in. Basically I want an OLED set that has the properties that the Kuro 4280 in my house has which in all these years has never had any noticeable IR and no burn-in.

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Panasonic never seemed to master IR resistance as well as Samsung and Pioneer in my humble opinion. Even then, the Kuro I had did suffer from uneven letterbox wear after 2000 to 3000 hours. OLED is already pretty good at logo/HUD resistance...it's the rapid letterbox wear they need to resolve (probably related to the backplane tech they're using), easily cleared up with a few hours of the pixel jogger but not something the modern average TV enthusiast will tolerate.
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My display is strictly for computer use and gaming with some widescreen shows thrown in. Do you think OLED in its current form (as in LG) would be fine for that?

The only negative I could see with getting an OLED set in terms of picture quality is it'd probably look so amazing I'd want to watch movies on its tiny screen rather than on my projector which itself is pretty nice.

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Particularly for gaming, there have been no ill reports of burn-in by the first adopters (I haven't used it for such so I can't personally attest to this). If it's resilient against gaming HUDs, it should do similarly well with desktop use, I'd imagine. No one has reported their success with using it as a monitor as of yet. If using as a monitor, though, it should be noted the pixel structure is such (and it's theorized that it's due to LG's particular brand of passive 3D) that the screen door effect is more obvious from near distances.

My 65" has already been neglected by the 55" in the movie realm, but that has to be less likely with a projector.
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Thanks vinnie.

I sit a decent distance from the TV (8 feet or so now from a 46" set) so it'd be fine I am sure for SDE.

One good thing is I re-calibrated my Samsung D630 last week and either I adjusted something in error since I last calibrated it 1-1.5 years ago or some voodoo magic has occurred as the image now is much better than it was before. I think I maybe changed the gamma setting by accident since then so I was running with too low a gamma and this new calibration corrected that. Since it looks really good right now I have less an urge to upgrade so I can wait it out and see what the hell this IMO pathetic industry is going to throw at us later this year and early 2015.

All I want is a freaking 55-60" TV with minimal annoying issues (banding, uniformity, IR...) and decent picture quality that is a clear upgrade to what I have now with the Sammy. You'd think this shouldn't be hard yet boom, it apparently is. Maybe OLED will be the way to go if the IR really isn't a big issue like it is on my VT25. I would prefer a flat guy yet I have my bedroom window behind where my TV is so I can't wall mount it like I believe that new flat LG model requires.
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Panasonic never seemed to master IR resistance as well as Samsung and Pioneer in my humble opinion. Even then, the Kuro I had did suffer from uneven letterbox wear after 2000 to 3000 hours. OLED is already pretty good at logo/HUD resistance...it's the rapid letterbox wear they need to resolve (probably related to the backplane tech they're using), easily cleared up with a few hours of the pixel jogger but not something the modern average TV enthusiast will tolerate.
So are you saying that with each letterbox movie you watch, you need to go through a few hours of the pixel jogger?
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I am. Given its resilience against HUDs and logos, I don't think it has anything to do with OLED tech in particular.
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Yes, but given I've never had to do that even with plasma, one has to either think it has something to do with OLED's susceptibility to this or this particular OLED is very prone to it (if it's not generic to OLED...which I'm not yet convinced).

Personally, I'd never get my wife to agree to a few hours of wipe with each movie we watch. I'd be treading on very dangerous grounds.

Hopefully this will be less of an issue with the 77". We'll have to see.
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I assuredly hope so.
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Yes, but given I've never had to do that even with plasma, one has to either think it has something to do with OLED's susceptibility to this or this particular OLED is very prone to it (if it's not generic to OLED...which I'm not yet convinced).

Personally, I'd never get my wife to agree to a few hours of wipe with each movie we watch. I'd be treading on very dangerous grounds.

Hopefully this will be less of an issue with the 77". We'll have to see.
I know with Samsung phones they use OLED screens and plenty of times I have gone into a store and see burn in (or extremely terrible IR not knowing if it would ever disappear) on the display models. I know Samsung and LG were using different tech then each other but wonder if they would still act the same as far as IR and burn in are concerned.

Also, Samsung phones would not completely shut off the pixels on a black screen, they would slightly have power to them so them can come out of black without delay. Do the OLED TV's work like this or do they have full off power?
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I do not think there will be any worries, even if LG has to do it all by themselves, I think OLED will survive .
I found an OLED Tech site the other day and they were discussing how LG had many Japan/Korea/Taiwan manufacturers signed/signing up as a source as well as numerous Chinese manufacturers we never hear of here - apparently the market is huge there also for OLED.

It seems LG may have a lock on OLED until Samsung manages to perhaps pirate and improve their own - this wouldn't be the first time they've done this and later paid a price in court.

They presently are in a patent fight in Korea but it seems LG is all in and willing to take the risk for the rewards of holding a monopoly for the near future but virtually every player has been negotiating subcontracting panels from LG. Never owned an LG TV but we have a new washer/dryer that work flawlessly and are beautiful looking for appliances. I still go back to the days when monitors were amber and ID'd as Lucky Goldstar - they've come a long way. Truy interested in how they price the larger models above 55".

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That thread will not get as heated as this one. You know why? Because no one is going to argue that you made a bad choice going with the plasma, especially watching it in a non sun lit room.
I think it's pretty obvious why that thread won't cause any heated debates. All he's talking about is why he bought a plasma. He didn't claim as fact that plasma beats LCD's PQ.

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I think it's pretty obvious why that thread won't cause any heated debates. All he's talking about is why he bought a plasma. He didn't claim as fact that plasma beats LCD's PQ.
And he never did that here (an opinion is not fact and that's all he expressed despite however anyone may have taken the thread title or comments) yet I won't go down that road again...
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And he never did that here (an opinion is not fact and that's all he expressed despite however anyone may have taken the thread title or comments) yet I won't go down that road again...
I really don't want to do this again. Read the thread title and read through the thread. His post don't come of as an opinion.

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I really don't want to do this again. Read the thread title and read through the thread. His post don't come of as an opinion.

Actually it did Eric, myself and many others saw it as an opinion piece. It was others who trumpeted that this could never be and seemed to take personal offense that he would even say this.


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I really don't want to do this again. Read the thread title and read through the thread. His post didn't come of as an opinion.
A person shouldn't have to say "IMO..." or "I feel..." in a thread title or their post for humans to clue in it is their opinion.

It's no different than any review of anything you read. Do guys at sites like cnet say "in my opinion..." when talking about what they see in a subjective way? No. They state what they see which is their OPINION and I'd guess they expect the average reader to clue in that it is their opinion and not fact.

Anyone who takes someone's opinion as fact is the one who has the problem not the person stating their opinion.

Now let's move on as going on about this will be pointless...in my opinion that is.

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I know with Samsung phones they use OLED screens and plenty of times I have gone into a store and see burn in (or extremely terrible IR not knowing if it would ever disappear) on the display models. I know Samsung and LG were using different tech then each other but wonder if they would still act the same as far as IR and burn in are concerned.
Yes, that's precisely what scares me with OLED. I too was shocked to see how many Samsung phones had what certainly appeared to be either horrific IR or plain old burn-in. Either way it was very disconcerting.

Now, OTOH, I've had several Samsung phones with OLED screens and never experienced what I've seen in the stores. So much of it could be the demos that BB runs on these things. As for the difference between the susceptibility of Samsung OLEDs vs LG OLEDs to burn-in or IR, I have no idea. I would suspect there wouldn't be a huge difference, but who knows?
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