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So that said, I can not agree with you more about the F5300. I just picked up one of the 1999 EA9800 OLEDs from MicroCenter and I haven't even taken it out of the box yet. Even at 8 grand off the original MSRP of the LG, it's going to be TOUGH to beat the *bang for the buck* equation of my 51F5300. We also have an F8500, and I've had a Pro-141 and ZT60 pass through my hands over the past year and none of them, not a single one has put the smile on my face for the money spent my F5300 has. And the biggest irony is I didn't even get anywhere near the deal on my F5300 I did on all the other sets. Perhaps a measly 50 bucks off SRP.
It's in a room with two big windows (albeit with mini blinds over them in a closed position, but PLENTY of light still filters in) to the side and slightly off and behind it, and the performance NEVER suffers for the type of watching I do. I just can't praise this simple, boring, low end little plasma enough for what it is. The low end Pannys of the final gen, were they still available, would be equally as high in praise if not more, except that of course they're gone, and they're more susceptible to IR in any series.
The only other remaining thing left to ship this year that has my interest piqued is the Vizio Reference series. As a first gen high end product, though, I am thinking there will be trade-offs discovered by the early adopters.
At 63 now, I grew up with TV's invention/evolution and often younger members lack a concept of how far we've come since the 50's transitioning of my parents with the big living room radio and the infancy of weird small tube TV to these amazing 65-85" All-in-one Entertainment panels - Zenith did rule for a long period in the 60's-70's.
Last edited by westa6969; 06-19-2014 at 09:00 AM.
Based on how he arrived at his conclusion how can his post not be anything other than his opinion. Actually, "professional" reviews are nothing but opinions outside of objective measurements, which don't always further someone's enjoyment of their display.
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I'll have a AX800U in my own studio by next Friday, I'm looking forward to exposing its weaknesses and highlighting its strengths. It should be fun.
Last edited by imagic; 06-19-2014 at 12:27 PM.
But you may be correct....all the owners of AX800s who have reported the same issues are the exception and all other AX800s are perfect and are free or artifacts that are generally accepted as being on almost every edge lit set to one degree or another.
Going forward I shall discount the reports and observations of everyone else when it comes to an item I am interested in and just go by what you say or see.
Interesting you take my comment as something like "Mark is a moron and lied about the set he saw or can't see obvious problems" but I guess maybe with the shots you've taken the last month you are a bit defensive.
Last edited by rlindo; 06-19-2014 at 01:21 PM.
Basically, I do expect a company to make sure it does not send a defective product to a reviewer. And, I expect customers with issues to try and work them out.
Last edited by imagic; 06-19-2014 at 01:26 PM.
Last edited by rlindo; 06-19-2014 at 02:33 PM.
Because of the durability of LEDs and their lack of IR issues I am still excited for the prospect that a set might come along to impress us all, even those of us who are staunch plasma and OLED lovers. I take a lot of shots at LEDs, but I am not above eating my words if the right product comes along to change my opinion, and that's the beauty of technology.
Within those parameters, I do expect my (cheap) plasma to fare quite well versus the AX800U.
Just to elaborate on review samples for a moment, for the benefit of the readers: Review samples get shipped from reviewer to reviewer. It's only logical that a company will make sure the sample they send out is not defective, otherwise a defective product will become the basis of multiple reviews. Since defective products can be returned, exchanged, or repaired it's in everyone's interest to figure out how a product performs when it's functioning properly. Put another way, if a review says that screen uniformity was not an issue with a TV, then if you get a TV that has the issue, you know that you need to get it fixed.
Last edited by imagic; 06-20-2014 at 06:25 AM.
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