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I'm in the same boat. I'm closing on our new home tomorrow and last time I checked it was 16' viewing from sofa to tv. I really don't want to spend 4600.00 for a sharp 80" . I was looking at the 75" h6350 but it don't have 3d nor 240 but can be had for 2700 give or take. Any input,would be great. We lost out 52b750 6 months ago in a fire. So we don't have anything but a 40" Samsung .
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The talk about going bigger has gotten me thinking about the 90 inch Sharp. About 1 month ago I started reading through the projector discussion but the cost of the Sony projector, screen, installation was adding up. Plus on a vaulted ceiling the projector would really stand out. Then I also factored in that I'd be gaming and watching sports more than watching movies so I wasn't sure how good the images would look if I didn't close all the curtains. Factoring all this pretty much pushed me toward a flat panel tv. Since there's little 4k content, I may be better suited getting the sharp 90in for less than a 78-80inch 4k tv.
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The Sharp 90" looks great to me.
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The talk about going bigger has gotten me thinking about the 90 inch Sharp. About 1 month ago I started reading through the projector discussion but the cost of the Sony projector, screen, installation was adding up. Plus on a vaulted ceiling the projector would really stand out. Then I also factored in that I'd be gaming and watching sports more than watching movies so I wasn't sure how good the images would look if I didn't close all the curtains. Factoring all this pretty much pushed me toward a flat panel tv. Since there's little 4k content, I may be better suited getting the sharp 90in for less than a 78-80inch 4k tv.
Just remember, the larger you go the more beneficial 4K is going to be. Sure, there is no 4K content now but do you expect to buy another TV in the next 5 years or so?

I am not pro 4K or anything but I do think it will be noticeable on these larger TV's you guys are discussing unlike those people who are watching a 55" 4K TVs from 15' back.

Tough decisions to make but you guys are fortunate enough to have the money to be in situations like this so I don't feel bad for you guys one bit. Lol
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When you get the 90" Sharp you are getting effectively the same panel as the 80" Sharp selling for $2.7K right now. Most of the legit retailers are selling the 90" for $7K, and you can get it for $5.7-6K on the grey market online places that have no returns, warranty support etc. So you are paying between $3-4.3K for the extra 10" all other things being equal. I have absolutely nothing against the 90" and for those who get it, that's awesome. But that's a huge premium for the last 10", more than a doubling of the cost.
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For what it's worth, someone over in the Vizio 2014 topic got unequivocal confirmation in writing from Vizio that they will NOT be releasing an 80" FALD panel this year, contrary to what their website says. The new M-series 80" hitting stores now is still edge lit. They claimed it improved over the local dimming (edge-lit based) of the 2013 model but that's about it. Reaffirms that if you're considering a Vizio 80" this year, grab the 2013 while you can. If you prefer the Sharp, no problem.

To re-summarize where the 78"+ market is for 2014, so far, it seems like we have tiers of choices:

~$3,000:
-- Vizio or Sharp 1080P edge-lit panels

$4-5K (depending on where you buy):
-- Sharp hybrid quasi-4K edge-lit 80" panel

$6-8K (depending on where you buy):
-- Sharp 90" edge-lit 1080P panel
-- Sony or LG 79" edge-lit true 4K flat panels
-- Samsung 78" edge-lit true 4K curved panel
-- Possibly a comparable Panasonic panel
-- 2012/13 LG 84" 4K flat panel (while supplies last, doesn't come with HDMI 2.0 or HEVC support but LG may sell a board replacement later to fix that)

$10K+
-- Sony & LG 84" 4K equivalents to above
-- Samsung 85" 4K edge-lit flat panel
-- Others?

Way, way over $10K+++
-- Samsung's over $100K 115" panel
-- 2013 Samsung 84" FALD 4K
-- 2013 Sony 84" 4K
-- Possibly the Vizio R-series 120" if/when it ever comes out (end of the year best case)

Unknown:
-- A supposed Toshiba 4K (not FALD) panel, price and release date unknown
-- JVC 84" 4K panel

Missing anything?

The 2014 Sony 85" X950B looks like the perfect tv for me. Unfortunately it's going to be in the Way Over 10k group. I can imagine talking myself into 10k. 20k + is simply absurd. Better to go with the Sharp 80" and wait until that "perfect tv" is 5-7k-ish. I'm guessing 2017 or 18.
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All,

So my Vizio M801D-A3 arrived today.

I've spent an hour on it, and no complaints AT ALL.
It looks much better in the home than it did in the store.

Bright, clear, great color, HUGE.
Performs great on HD video games (XBONE,PS4,WII-U)

So far I'm very happy and I haven't calibrated at all yet.

Glad I took the plunge, sorry I waiting for long for the 2014 model.. this one rocks.

-Mike

P.S. Thank you ALL for your advice and discussion. This is a great community, and I really appreciate it.

P.P.S Citivas, what are you waiting for?? smile.gif
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Great to hear. Congrats Mike!
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Anyone waiting for the 79" LG may be disappointed...HDTVTest reviewed the UK version of the step-down UB8500 and had this to say in their conclusion:

"The LG 49UB850V is not only the worst 4K TV we’ve tested, it’s also one of the worst-performing televisions we’ve reviewed to date in terms of image quality."

Ouch. I have seen the 55" and would agree that it doesn 't look all that hot.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/49ub850v-201406033786.htm

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Great thread, I am in the same position looking for an 80". I am interested in the vizio, can someone explain the situation with the vizio 80"', is there a new 2014 available now? Is the new version non 3d? I really want passive 3d.
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Great thread, I am in the same position looking for an 80". I am interested in the vizio, can someone explain the situation with the vizio 80"', is there a new 2014 available now? Is the new version non 3d? I really want passive 3d.
I think from what I have read here, the 80" Vizio will continue to be the same as the 2013 model being edge lit which also offered 3D. I think most people were hoping for a FALD 80" Vizio.
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I think from what I have read here, the 80" Vizio will continue to be the same as the 2013 model being edge lit which also offered 3D. I think most people were hoping for a FALD 80" Vizio.

Vizio had 2 versions of the 2013 80" M-series, one with 3D and one without. The 2014 model is a slightly newer version of the one WITHOUT 3D. So to be clear, if you want 3D you need to hurry and get the 2013 set before they are gone (and yes it is PASSIVE 3D; the Sharp 80+" sets that have 3D are all Active 3D -- having used both I would agree passive is the way to go).

Vizio has claimed the 2014 set improves local dimming (still edge-lit) and PQ. It is probably the same physical panel but with a newer board that has updated firmware or chips for handling the picture. But it remains to be seen where that resulting in anything meaningfully better than the 2013. My bet is it won't which makes the 2013 set the better deal if you're considering an 80" Vizio.
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Vizio had 2 versions of the 2013 80" M-series, one with 3D and one without. The 2014 model is a slightly newer version of the one WITHOUT 3D. So to be clear, if you want 3D you need to hurry and get the 2013 set before they are gone (and yes it is PASSIVE 3D; the Sharp 80+" sets that have 3D are all Active 3D -- having used both I would agree passive is the way to go).

Vizio has claimed the 2014 set improves local dimming (still edge-lit) and PQ. It is probably the same physical panel but with a newer board that has updated firmware or chips for handling the picture. But it remains to be seen where that resulting in anything meaningfully better than the 2013. My bet is it won't which makes the 2013 set the better deal if you're considering an 80" Vizio.
Interesting, I did not know 2 version existed in 2013. What was the price difference between the two? Also, seems kind of a waste to release a 2014 model that remained edge lit. Is the 2014 at least as cheap as the 2013 are going for currently?
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Interesting, I did not know 2 version existed in 2013. What was the price difference between the two? Also, seems kind of a waste to release a 2014 model that remained edge lit. Is the 2014 at least as cheap as the 2013 are going for currently?

Not sure what the original price difference was as I wasn't tracking it at the time. Oddly, now, Vizio lists both the 3D and non-3D versions of the 2013 model as MSPR $3,999 but is discounting the 3D model $1,000 to $2,999 while discounting the non-3D model $800 to $3,199. Which I think is the MSPR of the expected 2014 model too (which may explain why they are doing that odd close our price).

Here's the Vizio M-Series product page. You can see the non-3D listed below the 3D version. There's just one digit different in the model number:

http://store.vizio.com/mseries.html
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Anyone waiting for the 79" LG may be disappointed...HDTVTest reviewed the UK version of the step-down UB8500 and had this to say in their conclusion:

"The LG 49UB850V is not only the worst 4K TV we’ve tested, it’s also one of the worst-performing televisions we’ve reviewed to date in terms of image quality."

Ouch. I have seen the 55" and would agree that it doesn 't look all that hot.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/49ub850v-201406033786.htm

Wow, this review epically trashes the LG. It sounds like the company took a serious step backwards when it needed to be playing catch-up. I lost track of how many ways it failed their tests -- didn't resolve full 4K, didn't resolve Full HD in 3D, severe crosstalk, blurry 3D processing, black levels that would make a $150 Insignia look great by comparison, a disaster of a CMS system, etc. And there was a decent amount of precision behind the review -- test patterns, etc. So you can't chalk it up to perception or reviewer bias. LG blew it. While it's not the same model line as the 79 and 84" will be, it's a very troubling sign, especially since they said they found similar issues in the other recent LG set they reviewed. Bottom line is it sounds like the boards and firmware LG is using now suck.
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So what about if "price is no object"? Is Sony's new 85x950B all that and a bag of chips?

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So what about if "price is no object"? Is Sony's new 85x950B all that and a bag of chips?

If price is no object there will be the 85" Sony 950, or a 98" LG, a 115" Samsung and eventually, maybe a 120" Vizio Reference series.
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am i correct that panasonic has not announced an 80inch for their new lineup? i was excited after reading about their new panels but didn't see anything above 65in
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am i correct that panasonic has not announced an 80inch for their new lineup? i was excited after reading about their new panels but didn't see anything above 65in

Allegedly they will offer an 85" of their AX800 top 4K edge-lit panel. No details on it yet.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1395647244
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Allegedly they will offer an 85" of their AX800 top 4K edge-lit panel. No details on it yet.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1395647244

Wow - 85" AX800 and 85" AX900 yet to come this year...
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Allegedly they will offer an 85" of their AX800 top 4K edge-lit panel. No details on it yet.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/article.php?subaction=showfull&id=1395647244

Not really Panasonic's panel. Most likely they same Innolux 85" panel that is used in the Sony.
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Not really Panasonic's panel. Most likely they same Innolux 85" panel that is used in the Sony.

I wasn't referring to who was sourcing the physical panel for Panasonic, I was using it synonymously with "TV"...
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Updating Citivas's list (and limiting to 2014 models)...

To re-summarize where the 78"+ market is for 2014 models, so far, it seems like we have tiers of choices:

~$3,000:
-- Vizio or Sharp 1080P edge-lit panels

$4-5K:
-- Sharp hybrid quasi-4K edge-lit 80" panel

$6-10K:
-- Sony 79" X900B edge-lit true 4K
-- Samsung 78" HU9000 edge-lit true 4K curved
-- Samsung 85" HU8550 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 79" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 84" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K

$20K+
-- Sony 85" FALD true 4K (X950B)

Coming later this year:
-- Panasonic 85" AX800
-- Panasonic 85" AX900
-- Possibly Vizio

Unknown:
-- Toshiba 4K (not FALD) panel, price and release date unknown
-- JVC 84" 4K panel

Missing anything?
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Updating Citivas's list (and limiting to 2014 models)...

To re-summarize where the 78"+ market is for 2014 models, so far, it seems like we have tiers of choices:

~$3,000:
-- Vizio or Sharp 1080P edge-lit panels

$4-5K:
-- Sharp hybrid quasi-4K edge-lit 80" panel

$6-10K:
-- Sony 79" X900B edge-lit true 4K
-- Samsung 78" HU9000 edge-lit true 4K curved
-- Samsung 85" HU8550 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 79" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 84" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K

$20K+
-- Sony 85" FALD true 4K (X950B)

Coming later this year:
-- Panasonic 85" AX800
-- Panasonic 85" AX900
-- Possibly Vizio

Unknown:
-- Toshiba 4K (not FALD) panel, price and release date unknown
-- JVC 84" 4K panel

Missing anything?
Don't forget the Sharp LC-90LE657U 90" 1080p edge-lit at $6000.
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Updating Citivas's list (and limiting to 2014 models)...

To re-summarize where the 78"+ market is for 2014 models, so far, it seems like we have tiers of choices:

~$3,000:
-- Vizio or Sharp 1080P edge-lit panels

$4-5K:
-- Sharp hybrid quasi-4K edge-lit 80" panel

$6-10K:
-- Sony 79" X900B edge-lit true 4K
-- Samsung 78" HU9000 edge-lit true 4K curved
-- Samsung 85" HU8550 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 79" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K
-- LG 84" UB9800 edge-lit true 4K

$20K+
-- Sony 85" FALD true 4K (X950B)

Coming later this year:
-- Panasonic 85" AX800
-- Panasonic 85" AX900
-- Possibly Vizio

Unknown:
-- Toshiba 4K (not FALD) panel, price and release date unknown
-- JVC 84" 4K panel

Missing anything?
Which of these sets are HDMI 2.0? This is the major issue holding me back from considering many of these...
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Don't forget the Sharp LC-90LE657U 90" 1080p edge-lit at $6000.
Is this a 2014 model or just a 2013 rehash? Does it have HDMI 2.0?
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Unknown:
-- JVC 84" 4K panel
The 85" UHD JVC DM85UXR is supposed to be FALD (64 zones) and $8k shipping in September. link
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Plus TCL's just announced 85-inch 85UH9500 for $8,000. This was mentioned on CNET today: www.cnet.com/news/tcl-unveils-five-new-4k-tvs-three-under-a-grand/ When it arrives and what quality remain to be seen.
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How about the 90" Sharp PNR903 which is the "professional monitor" version of the standard Sharp 90" HDTV panel but has Full Array Local Dimming, can be rotated vertically/horizontally and is on sale at NewEgg for "only" $13,000.00, which they claim is 50% off msrp ?
I always wondered how amazing a 1080P blu-ray image on a 90" LCD screen using FALD would look like, hmm....
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I thought I would resurrect this and do an update with my additional experiences to date.

I’m focused on the 78”-90” so not dealing with the super-large 98”, 115”, 120”, etc. all of which are likely to cost more than cars.
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~$3,000:
-- Vizio M-series or Sharp 650, both 80” 1080P edge-lit panels
-- I have been trying out the Vizio in my house. It’s OK, but not great. Latest firmware has a great customizable UI and CMS. However, even with full CMS you can’t get color truly accurate. There’s a fair amount of clouding/flashlighting. The TV frequently stops working until you do a battery pull and reset. And lately it has developed an intermittent lip-sync issue that works regardless of what source you are viewing or even if you are using internal apps. Motion handing is so-so. Vizio customer service has been decent.

~$4-5K:
-- Sharp hybrid quasi-4K edge-lit 80" panel
-- Not really on my radar since I don’t see the point of the fake-4K especially since it can’t handle 4K streaming due without HEVC.

$6-10K 4K (prices quoted below are major retailers, not grey market):
-- Sony 79" X900B edge-lit 4K ($8K). Unlike the smaller sizes in this model, it’s using an IPS panel (probably the same one as the LG). This means less contrast/black level. It still looks decent but not as good as the smaller 900B’s. Side speakers put out good better than typical built-in sound, but you are stuck with them whether you want them or not. Some users have complained about visible banding. And a couple users have said the 3D has significant crosstalk. Still, looks great and overall the 900B has gotten the best in-class reviews, with the HU9000 close behind.

-- Samsung 78" HU9000 edge-lit 4K curved ($7-8K). Owners mostly rave about it. Reviews are great, just not quite as good as the Sony, but given the 79” having a different panel and worse blacks this may neutralize that advantage. You have to be okay with the curve which mostly doesn’t impact the picture one way or the other.

-- Samsung 85" HU8550 edge-lit 4K ($10K). I saw this in-person (as I did for the Sony and Samsung HU9000) and this is now on my radar. It is the next model down from Samsung’s flagship HU9000 and their top non-curved panel. Missing a few picture processing features but looks great overall. There is a rumor that this is a FALD panel though this seems unlikely. Blacks were not as good as the HU9000 or the smaller X900B’s let alone the X950B’s, but on-par with the 79” X900B. And you get the extra size. You also get the advantage with both Samsung’s of upgrading the brains and connections in future years using their One Connect box.

-- LG 79" (~$7K) /84” (~$10K) UB9800 edge-lit true 4K. Haven’t seen in-person. Probably similar black levels to the Sony because they share the same panel (made by LG). But Sony likely has better up-converting and local dimming. LG used both HDMI 2.0 chips, so different inputs can either handle HDCP 2.2 or the full bandwidth for 10-bit color. Sony went for HDCP 2.2 but not full-bandwidth and Samsung went for full bandwidth but not HDCP 2.2. Reviews for smaller sizes have put it behind the Sony and Samsung for PQ but rave reviews for the remote and the Apps UI.

-- Sharp 90" 1080P (not 4K). Last year' model. The kind of this round-up in size and looks decent. Not 4K, and if compared calibrated would be a middling performer to the competition on black level and overall PQ. You pay for the size.

$20K+
-- Sony 85" X950B FALD 4K (~$25K). Probably spectacular
-- Samsung S9 FALD 4K (~$40K). Also probably great. Though last year’s model so outdated HDMI connections and 4K streaming codec unless you by their upgrade box.

Coming later this year:
-- Panasonic 85" AX800 4K edge-lit
-- Panasonic 85" AX900 4K FALD flagship (claims it replaces and surpasses their former plasmas)

Unknown:
-- Toshiba 4K (not FALD) panel, price and release date unknown
-- JVC 85" ($8K) 4K panel, allegedly 64 zone FALD

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