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Here is a quick Youtube overview of the UB9800:



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Congrats BTW! LG is the one for me too I think, so happy to hear of your satisfaction. I want to get the 84" (I have a really large family room) and am going to see the screen for the first time tomorrow. We have a local dealer here in DTW metro area with the 84" and 79" on display now. Have you tried the 3D? I found it to be amazing on the 2013 84", as did the reviewers. But I have heard of some ghosting on the 2014 smaller UHD screens. Zero reviews out on the 84" though. I am all in on passive 3D. Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences. I'm also interested in lag and motion blur, as I will be playing Xbox One through mine (hopefully) - talk about immersive gaming - should be awesome.
THANKS! keep in mind that when I first pulled the TV out of the box and set it up and started watching it.... I cringed! Once I tweaked the settings, I was blown away and satisified. I hope when you go to look at it, they have it tweaked and play some streaming 4K content and even regular streaming broadcasts like regular netflix. Once you see those programs, it makes the TV shine...IMO.

hope you have a great first experience when you go and see it.
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THANKS! keep in mind that when I first pulled the TV out of the box and set it up and started watching it.... I cringed! Once I tweaked the settings, I was blown away and satisified. I hope when you go to look at it, they have it tweaked and play some streaming 4K content and even regular streaming broadcasts like regular netflix. Once you see those programs, it makes the TV shine...IMO.

hope you have a great first experience when you go and see it.
Tnx! Good points. I'll report back with my first impression.
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I picked up a 65ub9500, and my first impression is decently positive...screen uniformity seems better than my 2012 Samsung, so it's got that going for it.

Still trying to figure out the menu options. Is there a manual for the menu options? The Owners manual really doesn't provide any walkthrough of the options.
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That dimming functionality is pretty awful...I can see how some people wouldn't notice it, but it really was weird. Perhaps, it is exacerbated because the TV is currently sitting on the floor until I get a chance to mount it to my entertainment center. Thankfully, I've been using LCD for years so that the black levels without the auto dimming are within par for me.

Also, it appears that 3D ghosting was largely being created by my off angle viewing...as I discovered that it is really sensitive to vertical angles. So, once I get it mounted, that should improve that, quite a bit.

So, is there only one HDMI input for 10-bit on the 65ub9500? Unfortunately, that one port has been a little wonky...two nights ago, my PC was coming through there fine-ish, but tonight I had to connect it to the ARC HDMI input in order to get a PC signal. Not sure why that would be. I'm using the supplied cable for the AVR to TV connection, so I would assume there shouldn't be any issues there. Does the 10-bit input have to receive a 10-bit signal?

Also, in an HTPC setup, this TV really lacks a typically minor, but critical feature...the ability to handle the resolution of the POST/BIOS screen. Apparently, I'm going to need to keep a monitor handy to troubleshoot the PC in case of issues.

Still, a lot of quirks to learn about in this new UHD world...hopefully, there won't be any unsurmountable problems.
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On a side note...is there any reason that current UHDs wouldn't be HFR compatible? I'm thinking of future Netflix streaming...I imagine since these TVs support 4k up to 60FPS, that HFR up to that level should be fine.
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Review: LG 65UB9800 4K LED LCD

The 65UB9800, LG's slim, handsome 4K Ultra HD, found it's way into Cleveland Plasma/Cleveland AV's warehouse recently. Being the ever curious nerd (my wife says... lovingly) that I am, I conned CP owner Chris Majoros into letting me put it through the most extensive testing I could come up with. Before that testing could begin, though, LG had some testing of their own to do, apparently in a quest to figure out just how much cute creativity a nerd like me can handle. You like your remote? Well, let's see how you take to our new Super Ultra Compact Kontrol Saber. Nifty, huh? You can make it move with just one hand, but to really wield the kontrol, you must grasp it with both hands. And we turned the setup process into a hybrid choose your own adventure - story based animation process. See? We're cute, we're hip, we get it...

Upon owning my old fashioned stubbornness and apparent lack of appreciation for the modern, the cool, and the sophisticated, I finally got around to playing a Blu Ray on the 9800. But my first positive impression was not from the image, but from the sound: the speakers not only look like modern sculpted pillars at each end of the screen, but they sounded full, with much more bass and surround envelopment than a flat panel can normally manage. With default sound settings and within it's volume limitations, the 9800 produced a very crowd pleasing tonal balance despite slightly spitty sibilants and exaggerated upper bass/lower midrange.

The 9800 powers up in the APS (power saver) picture mode, despite the fact that I instructed the 9800 not to engage power saving circuitry during the setup process. Apparently it sympathized with the nerd and restrained itself from too much penny pinching, because the image didn't seem as dark as is usually the case with severe power limitations in place. However, it was a bit overzealous in it's efforts to catch my eye, resulting in an overblown, pale look. Details were etched in the image, and LG even remembered to throw in a couple of familiar old acronyms in the image: the SOE (Soap Opera Effect) and DSE (Dirty Screen Effect) were both present.

Accuracy seemed to improve when I switched the picture mode to Cinema, though the image seemed to gain a slightly earthy toned filter, with the resulting measurements included in the before calibration column of the attached report. To quickly get a good image in preparation for a real calibration, use Cinema mode, bump up the color a bit, and in the advanced menu switch gamma to 2.4 and white balance to Warm1.

The 9800's screen is mostly glossy, and suffers significantly from glare. In high ambient light areas, it also loses a little more perceived contrast than competing models as the screen washes out. The good side is that, while those competing models take on a slightly bluish or purple tone in ambient light conditions due to their light absorbing filters, the 9800 remained charcoal-gray neutral.

Calibration:

The ISF modes look identical for the most part to Cinema mode, with the added benefits of the ability to name them ISF Day or ISF Night and lock the settings when done. Calibration was optimized for a moderately dark environment, and the actual viewing consisted of that and also some bright room and totally dark room viewing.

In the advanced settings, the 9800 has a selection for "Super Resolution." While I normally turn enhancers like that off, turning SR on low helped sharpen resolution patterns with only minimal edge enhancements. During the viewing I felt that the detail was just a little hyped with SR on low, but it was subtle enough and gave what I felt was a useful boost to the sharpness, so it stayed on.

The 9800 has both a 2 point and a 20 point white balance adjustment, and they can work in tandem with each other. The best course of action is to use the 2 point to get things close, and then use the 20 point to really nail it down. However, that nailing down process isn't going to go so well if you want to leave much Whiter Than White headroom, because the 20 point control progressively mistracks as the contrast setting is reduced below the maximum setting of 100. With contrast at 100, there is just a whisp of WTW headroom out to around level 237, and full WTW headroom occurs at a contrast setting of 84. Although opinions vary about the importance of WTW headroom, the 20 point adjustment isn't going to go well at any contrast setting much below 100.

The 9800 has a function to copy the white balance to all inputs, so after doing the 20 step adjustment I clicked on that. However, when I went to do some streaming, I found that despite being in the right picture mode, the adjustments had not carried over. In addition, the 20 point adjustments refused to budge in the smart app's ISF Expert picture modes, so I couldn't manually enter the settings either. Fortunately, the next day I came back and investigated the problem, and the 20 points then accepted my changes. However, the copy function still did not work.

The 9800 has a properly functioning, artifact free CMS adjustment, and I found best results were obtained by bumping up the main color control to about 56 before doing the CMS adjustments at 75 or 80% saturation.

To my surprise, the bright on screen menu and some of my bright test patterns produced short lived but very obvious image retention. While IR is nothing new to plasma owners, it's somewhat shocking to see on an LCD. Thankfully, it dissipated within a couple of minutes at each occurrence and did not appear to be a longevity concern.

Resolution was full and strong with all HDMI scan rates from 480 to 1080. There was more EE than expected at 480, though.

Screen uniformity was very good, with very uniform blacks. With varying shades of gray up to white, it remained very good, with just a very slightly darker area visible at the lower right corner.

With both 1080P/60 and 1080P/24 inputs, my Jeti spectro synced with the 9800 at just under 120 Hz.

My worst case scenario contrast measurement is intended to be a torture test for LED dimming, with the black measurement taken with a 100% white surround along the edges of the picture and a large video black area in the middle occupying 50% of the screen area. With this measurement, the 9800's contrast ratio was 1,046:1. With the LED zone dimming on, that will be the minimum contrast ratio seen, with the effective contrast being higher but very program dependant. That relatively low contrast ratio is determined by LG's panel choice, which was made in favor of viewing angle over black levels.

The 9800 holds it's picture quality very well off to the sides, without the severe washout or pale n' pink skin tones that occur with most LED LCDs when you move one or two couch cushions over. I measured the 9800's off axis behavior by taking a simplified measurement run directly on axis, and then repeating it at approximately 45 degrees off axis. The off axis angle was judged by eye, so it should not be considered a scientific test; rather, just an indication of what changes and in what direction. The main point revealed by this test is that while the white balance warmed and light output dropped a little, other aspects of the picture held strong.

The 9800 slightly rolled off the chroma resolution when fed a YCbCr signal from the Blu Ray player, but the chroma resolution remained strong when the player was set to output RGB color space. This would not be visible with most video content, however.

Lip sync was just fine in both 2D and simulated 3D mode, getting the HDMI signal from a Blu Ray player going through an HDMI distribution amp, and also in streaming from Netflix.

Evaluation:

In calibrated ISF Night mode, the 9800 looked promising with great motion, color, and sharpness. At times the DSE became apparent, though it had a slightly different look on the 9800 than it does on other LED LCDs. On most, the DSE looks like fleeting smudgy fingerprints on panning, bright objects. On the 9800, it looked more like fleeting vertical lines. That is one of those things that come and go with picture content; on some material it may not be present at all, and on other material it may be a bit distracting.

Another aspect of the 9800 that can be a source of annoyance at times is the action of the local zone dimming. While the dimming action increases real contrast ratio, it does cause visible black level fluctuation. It is at it's worst with bright letters or objects in the center of the screen set against a dark background.

Fortunately, the 9800 exhibits good pop and excitement with bright images, and dark scenes are better than expected except in the scenario described above.

I viewed some 4K content via Netflix, and even before the 20 point controls started functioning the image was very impressive in most scenes. At times the clarity and detail did seem to be a cut above what I was used to seeing with Blu Ray, despite the limitations of the Wi-Fi connection and source. Then, after applying the 20 point adjustments, the image depth and color tones improved even more, resulting in a few stunning moments.

Beautiful pictures abound with the 9800, especially in brighter scenes. However, it's not for every enthusiast or all program material.

Pros:
  • stand out sharpness and resolution
  • very good color and skin tones
  • good off axis behavior
  • pleasing sound from built in speakers

Cons:
  • local dimming action intrudes in dark scenes and black bars
  • DSE can be distracting


To read the tiny print data, follow this link to download (download link at right) the .pdf and zoom in:
https://docs.zoho.com/file/mb9ura08a...891ff66d6633bc
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ISF/THX calibrator with Jeti 1211 reference spectro
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Looks like a giant step backwards for LG in their top their 4K set.
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Seems that these results could point to why LG is all in on their OLED - it appears to be their trump card where they may fall short of Sony/Samsung flagships especially when larger sizes are on the horizon.

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I had chance to see ub849800 and 84la9600 side by side yesterday with same 4k material in istanbul.what an improvement in store conditions!much brighter whites and also deeper blacks and improvement on motion handling was obvious .I think 84 inch panel is way better than 65 ...
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This scene impressed me...
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Are the side speakers removable for wall mounting?
It seems that these speakers may cause problem for wall mounting if they can't be removed.

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Great review Chad. Thanks for all your hard work. You should ask the mods to start a review section, so all this great info does not get lost in the owners thread. Or maybe just start your own thread with Chad Reviews: or Cleavland A/V Review: or something like that.
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Seems that these results could point to why LG is all in on their OLED - it appears to be their trump card where they may fall short of Sony/Samsung flagships especially when larger sizes are on the horizon.
Yes, but there may be aspects of the LCD flaws that may carry over to their 77" OLED. That's what anyone looking at the big screen OLED needs to keep their eyes out for. We've already seen banding and questionable upscaling mentioned in one hands on with the 77". These are concerns.
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Looks like I'll hang on to my Pio' 141FD for a little longer. I want bigger and better. Great review!

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Chad:

The link you provide to the document at zoho results in "document not found" after I joined zoho.

A few questions, somewhat at risk or you just telling me to read some general articles on display calibration...

1. With my 2013 LG LA9650 I find Warm 2 tests closest to 6500 untouched. So, I calibrated from it. However, my longterm experience training with typical cold settings of consumer TVs lead me to abandon that as too earthy and start from Warm 1 which required me to remove a LOT of blue to get the whitebalance close. Was Warm 1 the closest to 6500 untouched or is there another reason you start from Warm 1?

2. How do you see the 20 pt white balance "mistracking" at less than 100 contrast? Sorry if this is calibration 101. Maybe just what parameter "mistracking" refers to.

3. What is the significance of color setting 56 when you adjust CMS? Is that the final color setting or just part of your CMS adjustment procedure that is reset later?

Thanks so much for your detailed evaluation and other contributions here.

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Caveat: I am in no way a trained critic, evaluator or reviewer of anything, and certainly not TVs. I just offer up my consumer opinion.

I finally had the opportunity to see both the 79" and 84" versions of these a couple of days ago. I personally found the PQ rather amazing. I watched 2D and 3D content on both, and 4K content (House of Cards) streamed from Netflix on the 84". The funny thing was, I saw the screens on my way home from watching the IMAX 3D "How to Train Your Dragon 2".

I truly found the screens stunning to watch in person. Absolutely immersive, with images that could be viewed from 5 feet away and not reveal pixel structure. It truly gave the sense of watching analog TV tubes due to the amazingly smooth, non-digital look, of the images. Truly having no sense of pixels creating an image like some giant dynamic LEGO project is great IMO, and makes the UHD experience worthwhile to me, even in the absence of 4K content.

I loved the angle off performance of these screens. It was truly a dramatic comparison to walk around the room and not see any discernible change in the image on these from 50-plus degrees off, while many other displays near them clearly suffered from poor angle-off viewing qualities.

Great motion handling. When I first viewed the images, FIFA was filling the majority of the screens with the World Cup. No problem whatsoever IMO of following sports and fast moving white balls, or vividly-clad players. What a fun way to watch a game.

3D - Oh my - what a treat. Remember, I had just returned from the benchmark, IMO, of IMAX 3D. The dealer inserted "LOR Desolation of (a great classic)" which I had seen in IMAX 3D. This was better - simply the best 3D I have seen on a TV or movie screen. I saw zero ghosting, zero jaggies, and zero cross-talk. So bright, and clear! I watched like a giddy kid for 20 minutes. If this had been the way the public had been introduced to 3D on TV, the market would be in a different place. Maybe, someday, when full-2160P 3D becomes available, the "passive is not full Ultra HD" argument can be fought. But until then, I don't think there is a better way to watch Full HD (1080P) 3D. See it at least before you disagree with me. The glasses LG provided were incredibly light, and stylish even. I'm sold.

I also checked out the same film in 2D, and thought it looked amazing as well, even nearly as good as the 4K version of "House of Cards", but that is because I was aware of the compression in action sequences of that, when detail, like whiskers and fine set detail, would occasionally break down, intruding on the otherwise stunning image. The demo also played off of an Oppo BR, and not sure if it or the TV were responsible for the upscale. But blu-rays, do look amazing on this screen.

My cons:

man, this screen is glossy. It makes the blacks look better to be sure, because this screen is like liquid black ink when off, but you may not want a wall of windows behind you if watch dark scenes in the day. Because the reflection is nearly crystal clear. Get room darkening window treatment to be sure.

The backlight is certainly not perfect and white text scrolls can reveal the blooms. However, aside from me looking for it on the obvious challenges, I found it a non-factor during the actual film, games or content. Dynamic content and contrast looked very good to me, which images that looked amazingly dish and deep. Of course Sony's Ref will absolutely look better for opening and end-credits. But I am sorry, it had better, at truly twice the cost of the LG. And it should be able to cook my beanie-weenies for me as well at that cost (all I will be able to afford for dinner). But without a doubt, this is the most amazing 84" TV I have viewed for under $24,000 (Sony's will be $25K right - so wanna get my bracket correct
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Seems that these results could point to why LG is all in on their OLED - it appears to be their trump card where they may fall short of Sony/Samsung flagships especially when larger sizes are on the horizon.
It looks like LG is playing it safe with LED. The mainstream buyer is looking for price and will never notice the things we will. Just look at how many damaged Sony 900B just on this forum. They are building very expensive heavy TV's that apparently do not do well in shipping.

You also have issues like banding, clouding and blooming that get exposed with the bright contrast sets. LG knows they own the future and the future is OLED, so why try and build the best LED that they hands down beat in picture quality with 4K sets just around the corner.
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So, are there any price leaks on the 98" LG coming, and or a release date. My local dealer, where I just recently saw the 79" and 84" said he thought late July, and that he had heard pricing near $30k. He also thought the 84" & 79" price would be dropping once the Sony 85" released.
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LG knows they own the future and the future is OLED, so why try and build the best LED that they hands down beat in picture quality with 4K sets just around the corner.
Um, because not everyone will buy or will be able to afford OLED. In the interim, you try to build the best sets in each performance sector. Not building the best LEDs simply because you assume everyone is going OLED, is foolish and not a great business plan.

Further, from what I'm reading, LG better up their game on HD>4K upconversion since Sony & Samsung seem to be doing it better. That's a key PQ performance factor and will be for several years until most of what we watch is 4K.
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Um, because not everyone will buy or will be able to afford OLED. In the interim, you try to build the best sets in each performance sector. Not building the best LEDs simply because you assume everyone is going OLED, is foolish and not a great business plan.

Further, from what I'm reading, LG better up their game on HD>4K upconversion since Sony & Samsung seem to be doing it better. That's a key PQ performance factor and will be for several years until most of what we watch is 4K.
I think you try and build the best set in a price category. The soon to release 85" Sony is $25,000. It had better do something better when you can by 2 LG 84" screens at the same price. The comparable priced Samsung is also edge-lit like the LG. I've watched a variety of programing on the LG, and I think it is stunning. And unlike the Sony, it is (relatively) affordable. And I thought it looked amazing playing a blu-ray as well. I just have to go back and check the blu ray at the dealer to know if it was doing the 4K conversion, or if the TV was.
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^ The differentiation with the 85" Sony is that it's FALD. Only Samsung makes another 85" FALD display and that one is pegged at about $40,000!
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^ The differentiation with the 85" Sony is that it's FALD. Only Samsung makes another 85" FALD display and that one is pegged at about $40,000!
They are "Halo" products IMO, much like the $140,000 Ford Gt, the Accura NSX or the Toyota FT-1. Are they viable real products? Of course. But they are also a demonstration/showcase of a company's best technology, not necessarily meant to be commercially successful at this point in time. But their glamour, stellar reviews and performance draws consumers to want to own a related product. A very small percentage of members of this forum will ever own the $25,000 Sony or $40,000 Samsung. But many will buy from the same manufacturer due to that halo effect and perceived trickle down of performance into the more affordable product line. Sony wants it to be said that they make the very best TV on the planet, even if not all their tvs have anywhere near the performance of the FALD. It is a common, and smart business strategy.
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Disappointment - 65UB9800 not have 1 review ?
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^^^ What do you mean ?? Chad just posted a review .
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Are they viable real products? Of course. But they are also a demonstration/showcase of a company's best technology, not necessarily meant to be commercially successful at this point in time. But their glamour, stellar reviews and performance draws consumers to want to own a related product.
Very true......


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Anyone own this set care to comment on any of this?

Looking for any owners of the 84UB9800!

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Have or could anyone tell me what the input lag is on this tv please? all these reviews but not a single mention about the input lag? what are the input lag on gaming and no gaming modes?
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Today, I've found out that LG has removed HDMI 2.0 from the product specification on most of the online sites in Korea for 2014 UHD TVs. I purchased 65UB9800 for HDMI 2.0 and now they list HDMI 1.4(4k@60) instead of HDMI 2.0. I have also found out that the current implementation does not support 10bit colour HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2.

HDMI 1 : (3Gbps, 4k@60Hz 4:2:0 8Bit / 4k@30Hz 4:2:2 10Bit) , HDCP2.2
HDMI 2 : (3Gbps, 4k@60Hz 4:2:0 8Bit / 4k@30Hz 4:2:2 10Bit) , ARC
HDMI 3 : (6Gbps, 4k@60Hz 4:2:2 10Bit)
HDMI 4 : (3Gbps, 4k@60Hz 4:2:0 8Bit / 4k@30Hz 4:2:2 10Bit) , MHL

I would like to know if you guys in other countries knew about this issue? Let me know, thanks.
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This does not sound right. I believe these sets were all supposed to be HDMI 2.0 with 10 bit IPS panels.

Perhaps Chris at Cleveland Plasma can confirm?

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