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"Official" 2014 4K LG 65UB9800 / 79UB9800 / 84UB9800 Owners Thread

Its about that time, these unit are looking real promising, time to get an expert in here

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Its about that time, these unit are looking real promising, time to get an expert in here

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Maybe you can help me decide... You think I should keep a second 950b or just keep one 950b and trade the other for an even trade for the 84UB9800? Tomorrow's my last day to decide for a exchange or I'll have to sell my 950b...
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That is a damb good deal there, you could always flip 84UB9800 for a huge profit .

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Getting that 79ub9800 delivered today I bought from you. Will give you my first impressions. Should have it in the next 3 hours!
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Still waiting for a verdict...

I haven't read anything that leads me to believe these will be all they are hoped to be. I've read that the 3D has horrible crosstalk/ghosting...that the motion resolution is the pits...that the input lag is likely to be rated negatively on a site like display lag...and so on.

Now, I really don't want to believe that, as this is the UHD for which I've been waiting. But, where are the reviews?

Just glad that there is an official owners thread, where we can finally start getting a sense of what these can do. Also, isn't the ub9800 and ub9500 basically the same technology, from the screen perspective?

Additionally, what is likely to cause the most input lag, upres or other processing? I'm getting the Denon s900w that has its own upres engine, and I'm wondering if it might be more capable than the TV. I really am crossing my fingers for passable input lag.

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I picked up the 65UB9800 two weeks ago after exchanging it for 55LA9700 which had banding on it, after getting 2 replacement panels I decided to try this one although I really miss the full array. I got a bad panel on the new set as well and will be returning this one .
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I picked up the 65UB9800 two weeks ago after exchanging it for 55LA9700 which had banding on it, after getting 2 replacement panels I decided to try this one although I really miss the full array. I got a bad panel on the new set as well and will be returning this one .
Ah!!! modern TVs are maddening.
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http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1403107839 how can they allowed a panel to leave the factory in those conditions? !
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I haven't read anything that leads me to believe these will be all they are hoped to be. I've read that the 3D has horrible crosstalk/ghosting...that the motion resolution is the pits...that the input lag is likely to be rated negatively on a site like display lag...and so on.

Now, I really don't want to believe that, as this is the UHD for which I've been waiting. But, where are the reviews?

Just glad that there is an official owners thread, where we can finally start getting a sense of what these can do. Also, isn't the ub9800 and ub9500 basically the same technology, from the screen perspective?

Additionally, what is likely to cause the most input lag, upres or other processing? I'm getting the Denon s900w that has its own upres engine, and I'm wondering if it might be more capable than the TV. I really am crossing my fingers for passable input lag.
I was waiting on the 79" 9800 myself. I can't remember reading so many negative comments about TVs - all TV manufacturers. Makes me wonder if the quality has been replaced with quantity for profits' sake. I've kind of lost interest in LG's as I can hardly find any positive reviews. I will say that my 47LM7600 is one of the best TV's I have ever owned. I had it calibrated by Chad B. a couple months back and it is a great performer. It's a 2012 model so I wonder what happened to LG since then.

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I was waiting on the 79" 9800 myself. I can't remember reading so many negative comments about TVs - all TV manufacturers. Makes me wonder if the quality has been replaced with quantity for profits' sake. I've kind of lost interest in LG's as I can hardly find any positive reviews. I will say that my 47LM7600 is one of the best TV's I have ever owned. I had it calibrated by Chad B. a couple months back and it is a great performer. It's a 2012 model so I wonder what happened to LG since then.
I also wonder what happened to LG, I got the 42lm6200 from 2012 which is my bedroom set and has very nice picture with no banding or DSE. The 65UB9800 surpasses last year's 55LA9700 in picture quality but the edge lit 65UB9800 doesn't have as deep black levels. During a dark scene you can see the leds working as a flashlight which can be very annoying. The good thing about the 65UB9800 it's that is Netflix 4k ready, was watching breaking bad in 4k all day yesterday, mouth watering picture until you see the banding and the DSE on half of the screen.
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I'm interested in the 79", but I'll definitely wait for some reviews from fellow forum members before making a decision on any new 4k TV. Has anyone cross shopped these LG sets with the 75" Samsung 8550 and if so, which is the better choice? I'm looking for something 75" or larger and right now the LG and Samsung are my top 2 candidates. I'm coming from a 60" KURO Elite so I'm hoping for something with good black levels, although I'm pretty sure neither of these will match the KURO. Maybe I should just wait for a larger model from Panasonic?
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I'm interested in the 79", but I'll definitely wait for some reviews from fellow forum members before making a decision on any new 4k TV. Has anyone cross shopped these LG sets with the 75" Samsung 8550 and if so, which is the better choice? I'm looking for something 75" or larger and right now the LG and Samsung are my top 2 candidates. I'm coming from a 60" KURO Elite so I'm hoping for something with good black levels, although I'm pretty sure neither of these will match the KURO. Maybe I should just wait for a larger model from Panasonic?
Are you kidding? You know that NOTHING is going to match the Kuro. Maybe the FALD Panasonic will have good local dimming. The Vizio P series, if it ever is released, should be on your list. They could have good enough black levels that you won't be pining for your Kuro. The LG 4K units, with their IPS panels, are never going to have really good black levels if that is a primary issue for you. Native contrast ratio is not much over 1:1000.
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My basement finish will be complete around Labor Day and I'm looking to buy an 80" or bigger TV. The Vizio 801 at ~$3000 was my leading contender but now I see the LG 84" price dropped and can be had for about twice that. I do like the idea of 4k resolution for that screen size, but I'm not convinced it's worth twice the price.

At a ~10' viewing distance what would you choose? An 84" 4k set or an 80" 1080p set at half the price? Will my decision be easier in September (i.e. prices will drop on the big 4k sets)?

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My basement finish will be complete around Labor Day and I'm looking to buy an 80" or bigger TV. The Vizio 801 at ~$3000 was my leading contender but now I see the LG 84" price dropped and can be had for about twice that. I do like the idea of 4k resolution for that screen size, but I'm not convinced it's worth twice the price.

At a ~10' viewing distance what would you choose? An 84" 4k set or an 80" 1080p set at half the price? Will my decision be easier in September (i.e. prices will drop on the big 4k sets)?
In addition to the late 2012 (i.e. 2013) model 84" LG being discussed here for $6K, the street price on the new 2014 LG, Sony and Samsung 78-79" models is also in that price range, FYI. I am having the same dilemma. I decided to try out the 2013 80" Vizio before they went away, knowing I have a 90 day no fault return policy with Costco. Too early to call on whether I keep it. I am pleasantly surprised by the functionality, user interface, CMS, etc. But not yet happy with the picture. But I am picky and coming from plasma. The trick on all those twice-as-much 4K sets are they are all still edge-lit. So the real question becomes, if you have to get a set this year do you spend twice as much for an early gen 4K as the standards are still solidifying, the up-conversion algorithms are in their infancy and still get edge-lit, or do you pay half-as-much and feel less guilty about converting to a new 4K FALD set in a couple years when FALD and 4K are mainstream and prices reflect that.

If this LG had a stellar reputation I probably would go for it at $6K. But given the known banding and lip sync issues (which may have actually gotten worse with late model runs according to one posters experience here), not sure I want to pay $6K to get a known set of headaches. For $6K you should get unqualified awesome. Of course compared to the original $20K starting price it's a spectacular bargain so it's all relative.
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http://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1403107839 how can they allowed a panel to leave the factory in those conditions? !
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Every TV is not checked before it is packed and shipped. Not to mention look around any edge lit thread, this comment can be said about all the manufacturers that have edge lit technology. No manufacturer is exempt from screen uniformity issues.

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This is not acceptable, I just hope that I get decent panel next time.

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For $6K you should get unqualified awesome.
That's how I feel. If I spend 5-10k, I'd better get an emotional chubby every time I turn it on. So far I'm not getting that feeling from the early reviews.
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It's a bummer that they focus so much money on features I don't necessarily want, and cheap out on the most critical feature of the TV, picture quality...

But, those pictures of screen uniformity are what I've gotten used to with my 2012 Sammy 8000 series. So, perhaps I wouldn't notice it so much...not sure about the contrast, though...also sad that motion resolution seems like such a loser with LG systems. Though, not sure how much I actually notice such things. The only way to know is to just give it a shot...

Really, the worst thing during my 2012 shopping around was with the 7000 series that had just plain micro dimming, where certain scenes you could see the micro dimming zones, and it made it look like I was looking through a fence....that was so bad...so incredibly bad, I had to go to the microdimming plus.

Modern TV shopping is just rife with compromises. Does OLED provide the magic that people were expecting? Does it also suffer from really bad input lag?
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This is not acceptable, I just hope that I get decent panel next time.
Everyone is surely entitled to there own opinion . I would hate to say it, but bringing up a grey scale on an edge lit TV is pointless, I think you may want to reach deep in those pockets, as the XBR-65X950B FALD is about the only LED that will do a decent job with a grey scale . Pick any brand LED without FALD and you will get similar results, surely you will never get a perfect grey scale with an edge lit TV from any manufacturer .

Unfortunately it is what it is .
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Received the 79ub9800 today! After a software update and some personal tweaking on settings, this is a pretty awesome tv! I have looked at the Samsung curved and I have no regrets what so ever purchasing the ub9800.


Thank you Chris for your honesty, integrity and excellent customer service! I will buy from you again!
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[quote=nakednuns;25081586]Received the 79ub9800 today! After a software update and some personal tweaking on settings, this is a pretty awesome tv! I have looked at the Samsung curved and I have no regrets what so ever purchasing the ub9800.


Congrats on the new set, did you get a decent panel? Have you noticed any banding?

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I had to turn the back light down as it was set WAY HIGH from the software update. Once the update was completed, you could see some screen uniformity issues. Once turned down, you talk about the blacks being black, WOW!

I have found that what Chris has said about different LED/LCD tv's is 100% correct! Every tv will suffer from uniformity issues of some sort or another. I have had 3 high end Sammy's and Sony's with uniformity issues. I hate spending that kind of money for a TV and having those type of issues, but it is what it is. Nothing is perfect.

So, I can relate with you on the screen issues. I had the same issue with my last 60 inch Samsung. Even had the panel replaced under warranty and STILL had the same issues but even worse with new panel. Really ticked me off!! Paying good money for a tv and having issues like you and I had is really frustrating! I had samsung almost quote me exactly what Chris told me on the phone prior to purchasing the 79ub9800 from him.

The nice thing about this tv is that there are so many adjustments that can be done with an LG. That is one thing I love about this tv.
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How are reflections?
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How are reflections?

Reflections are more than I anticipated. Not unbearable but a tad annoying. That is where the Samsung's Curved screen has an edge in opinion.

I wanted to add one big issue I have with this TV. You have to get a VERY LONG stand because of the way the base is made! The 79 inch is a monster and I can't imagine what one would do with the 84 inch! LOL
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I had to turn the back light down as it was set WAY HIGH from the software update. Once the update was completed, you could see some screen uniformity issues. Once turned down, you talk about the blacks being black, WOW!

I have found that what Chris has said about different LED/LCD tv's is 100% correct! Every tv will suffer from uniformity issues of some sort or another. I have had 3 high end Sammy's and Sony's with uniformity issues. I hate spending that kind of money for a TV and having those type of issues, but it is what it is. Nothing is perfect.

So, I can relate with you on the screen issues. I had the same issue with my last 60 inch Samsung. Even had the panel replaced under warranty and STILL had the same issues but even worse with new panel. Really ticked me off!! Paying good money for a tv and having issues like you and I had is really frustrating! I had samsung almost quote me exactly what Chris told me on the phone prior to purchasing the 79ub9800 from him.

The nice thing about this tv is that there are so many adjustments that can be done with an LG. That is one thing I love about this tv.
Yes, after some tweaking the picture on this set is very pleasant to watch. I just want a decent panel even if it had some banding I can always adjust the temperature to medium or cool which almost completely makes the banding unnoticeable but the one I got now has a big DSE spot on the right hand side which drives me nuts. Sorry for all the venting but as you said we pay premium price and I won't accept a screen like that.
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hey guys,

I've bought 65UB9800 to use as a 4k display for my new mac pro setup, currently connected via HDMI. I hope to use it as HDMI 2.0 display @ 60hz when nMP gets the appropriate update some day, but I am reading that the display can only support 30hz in HDMI-PC mode on the included manual. Can this be true? Is HDMI 2.0 bandwidth device-specific even if the graphics card support 2.0?

BTW, there is a bug that shows the TV named as "goldfinger" on the network if connected via WIFI. I was told they are preparing a software update for Mid July.

thanks.

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me too,I will say that my 47LM7600 is one of the best TV's I have ever owned. I had it calibrated by Chad B. a couple months back and it is a great performer. It's a 2012 model so I wonder what happened to LG since then.thanks [IMG]http://*******/BqayBL[/IMG]
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So is this a native 240Hz screen? I hate this Ultra Clarity Index junk - seems meaningless - give me real specs, not some jibberish that means nothing when compared to another screen other than LG's. As a munufacturer, just tell me 240Hz and effective 480Hz with backlight scanning, etc, - something I can make comparative sense of.
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So is this a native 240Hz screen? I hate this Ultra Clarity Index junk - seems meaningless - give me real specs, not some jibberish that means nothing when compared to another screen other than LG's. As a munufacturer, just tell me 240Hz and effective 480Hz with backlight scanning, etc, - something I can make comparative sense of.

good question! I too would like to know. I have read 120hz and 240hz native. I could not get the same answer when I called LG directly either. One said one way and the other said just the opposite. Maybe Chris would know at Cleveland Plasma?

I absolutely LOVE this TV! Still no regrets what so ever!
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good question! I too would like to know. I have read 120hz and 240hz native. I could not get the same answer when I called LG directly either. One said one way and the other said just the opposite. Maybe Chris would know at Cleveland Plasma?

I absolutely LOVE this TV! Still no regrets what so ever!
Congrats BTW! LG is the one for me too I think, so happy to hear of your satisfaction. I want to get the 84" (I have a really large family room) and am going to see the screen for the first time tomorrow. We have a local dealer here in DTW metro area with the 84" and 79" on display now. Have you tried the 3D? I found it to be amazing on the 2013 84", as did the reviewers. But I have heard of some ghosting on the 2014 smaller UHD screens. Zero reviews out on the 84" though. I am all in on passive 3D. Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences. I'm also interested in lag and motion blur, as I will be playing Xbox One through mine (hopefully) - talk about immersive gaming - should be awesome.
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