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4K analysis By Chad B presented by CP : 65X900B VS 65X950B VS 65UB9800 VS UN65HU8550

In route we have a 65X900B, 65X950B, 65UB9800, UN65HU8550, and as a reference to plasma technology the mighty TH-85PF12U.

Links below to these reviews and more units from 2014 and the past below.

Chad is coming in, full reviews on each and every set late next week and a comparison analysis !! Get those reading eye glasses ready

Keep in mind that most manufacturers have a series for their line up, so the reviews will apply for all sizes in the X900B series, X950B series, UB9800 series, HU8550 series even though the size tested will be 65". Generally 9.5 times out of 10 the different sizes will have the same picture from the proper viewing distances. To date I can only think of one series that broke this rule and that was the Samsung plasma line.....

So 9.5 times out of 10 these units below from the proper viewing distance will have the same overall picture:

UN50HU8550
UN55HU8550
UN60HU8550
UN65HU8550
UN75HU8550
UN85HU8550
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Reviews Added:

Review for the LG 65UB9800 >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the Samsung UN65HU8550 >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the Samsung UN85HU8550 >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the Samsung UN65HU9000 >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the Sony XBR-65X950B >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the LG 55EC9800 >>> Click Here <<<

Older reviews, but units still in the market:

Review for the LG 55EA9800 >>> Click Here <<<

Review for the Samsung PN64F8500 >>> Click Here <<<
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In route we have a 65X900B, 65X950B, 65UB9800, UN65HU8550, and as a reference to plasma technology the mighty TH-85PF12U.

Chad is coming in, full reviews on each and every set late next week and a comparison analysis !! Get those reading eye glasses ready

Pulling off a little mini-shootout in advance of the VE Shootout, huh? Looking forward to it. Just a shame Toshiba couldn't get their L9400U out the door quickly enough to squeeze in.
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Pulling off a little mini-shootout in advance of the VE Shootout, huh? Looking forward to it. Just a shame Toshiba couldn't get their L9400U out the door quickly enough to squeeze in.
No sir, it is 100% different, it is an analysis. Chad has a way with words, a swagger if you will, and will he writing full reviews on each and every display.

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No sir, it is 100% different, it is an analysis. Chad has a way with words, a swagger if you will, and will he writing full reviews on each and every display.
This sounds awesome Chris as ChadB is so thorough. Can't wait for the Buckeye State "Analysis".

So when he arrives at an LCD Champion do you then change your company name officially from Plasma to AV?

Keep those fantastic U of M colors though!

BTW - Hopefully Chad is aware the Samsung and some others need a pre-analysis Massage or two to perfect screen uniformity it seems has been reported as working.

Samsung 65F8000, 60D8000, 40HU6350, Panasonic 50E60 LCD's

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no HU9000? Booo! You're missing samsungs flagship in that lineup.
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Please add the HU9000 to the mix! I really am struggling to understand the picture quality differences between the 8550 and 9000. I know the curve adds another element to the analysis, but there are technology differences too between those models.
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Are all still in this round up , 10bit panels? or still 8bit.....


found out the XBR950B is still ( 4-2-0 8bit )

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So 9.5 times out of 10 these units below from the proper viewing distance will have the same overall picture:

UN50HU8550
UN55HU8550
UN60HU8550
UN65HU8550
UN75HU8550
UN84HU8550
The panels in those sets are all from the same company? No panel lottery where they're mixing Sharp, AUO, Samsung, and other companies LCD panels in the TVs? That seems rather unlikely given Samsung's track record over the past several years.

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found out the XBR950B is still ( 4-2-0 8bit )
I don't know whether it's a 8 bit panel or not, but it's definitely not 4:2:0. That's a description of the Chroma resolution of YCbCr color format, and a RGB LCD isn't YCbCr, nor does it have reduced Chroma resolution.
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no HU9000? Booo! You're missing samsungs flagship in that lineup.
Saw this set at bb yesterday. Pretty underwhelming, the 4k feed looked soft and colours were flat. The curve seems to make the picture look stretched or unnatural. Could have been the feed or connection but it was nothing to write home about.
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no HU9000? Booo! You're missing samsungs flagship in that lineup.
We have to buy these units and flip them fast when they are done, we get no support from anyone, this is done by CP, CP pays the bill . I wish we could review them all, but we stuck with all FLAT 4K tv's .

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We have to buy these units and flip them fast when they are done, we get no support from anyone, this is done by CP, CP pays the bill . I wish we could review them all, but we stuck with all FLAT 4K tv's .
I am sure all of us here appreciate what your are doing, as you will be using your own money and losing some when you go to resell. Like others have said though, I don't think you make blanket statements that the quality will be the same for the entire range of sizes anymore. Vizio for one used 60,70 and 80 panel from Sharp, while the rest of the 55" plus range is from AUO. Even Samsung uses their partner China Star (CSOT) and BOE for different size panels now days.
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Saw this set at bb yesterday. Pretty underwhelming, the 4k feed looked soft and colours were flat. The curve seems to make the picture look stretched or unnatural. Could have been the feed or connection but it was nothing to write home about.
Interesting observation. I'm hoping that Best Buy had some actual 4K content playing on them when you happened to see them. The majority of the stores I venture into don't even know that Samsung's HU series has a built in high quality 4K demo that you can access via the menu.

If you were watching their standard BB feed, then I can see how you'd make that comment but when these sets display 4K, they are very, very sharp, crisp and vibrant! I have a Galaxy Note 3 with a bunch of original 4K content on them that I can stream in 4K directly to the Samsung HU series. When I do, people always gather around and say just the opposite of what you're saying as far as the picture is concerned.

To each his own but I would be willing to bet that you weren't watching true 4K on the set or you might need new glasses/contacts/eyes. LOL <---- just kidding about the eyes

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I am sure all of us here appreciate what your are doing, as you will be using your own money and losing some when you go to resell.
He shouldn't lose much. He can sell them as Chad-B pre-calibrated sets.
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XBR65x950B specs from Sony

XBR65X950B_mksp.pdf


the manual says on page 4


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3840x2160/24p 3840x2160/25p 3840x2160/30p 4096x2160/24p
3840x2160/60p (YCbCr4:2:0 8bit)
1080/24p (HDMI only) 1080/60i 1080/60p
(HDMI / Component) 480/60i 480/60p 720/60p 1080/30p
(HDMI only) 720/30p (HDMI only) 720/24p (HDMI only
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no HU9000? Booo! You're missing samsungs flagship in that lineup.
I tell you the 78HU9000 is a different animal all together. I saw it next to the 65 and it just blew it away. The curve makes sense at 78"

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We have to buy these units and flip them fast when they are done, we get no support from anyone, this is done by CP, CP pays the bill . I wish we could review them all, but we stuck with all FLAT 4K tv's .
Makes sense, If you ever do a calibration on the 78HU9000 I would love to here your opinions. Visually next to the 65 it seemed to have much better contrast. The 4K image made my jaw drop, amazing.
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Interesting observation. I'm hoping that Best Buy had some actual 4K content playing on them when you happened to see them. The majority of the stores I venture into don't even know that Samsung's HU series has a built in high quality 4K demo that you can access via the menu.

If you were watching their standard BB feed, then I can see how you'd make that comment but when these sets display 4K, they are very, very sharp, crisp and vibrant! I have a Galaxy Note 3 with a bunch of original 4K content on them that I can stream in 4K directly to the Samsung HU series. When I do, people always gather around and say just the opposite of what you're saying as far as the picture is concerned.

To each his own but I would be willing to bet that you weren't watching true 4K on the set or you might need new glasses/contacts/eyes. LOL <---- just kidding about the eyes

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My eyes are fine, I know what 4k looks like as I have an x900b at home and it put the samsung to shame. Sorry to bust your bubble
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My eyes are fine, I know what 4k looks like as I have an x900b at home and it put the samsung to shame. Sorry to bust your bubble
Yes, another Sony fanboy which means his opinions are highly biased.
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Oh my my how exciting! Props to Chris at CP for the effort in this endeavor. These acts will elevate CP in the forums eyes, and have the potential for many added sales as CP over time earns more customers trust.

There are many educated & strong minds that will be watching & giving you their undivided attention. A written review with a few pics is a given... but how about putting up some added Youtube video footage shot in 720p? At that resolution most of us can easily watch it on their computer, 1080p some computers cannot handle. The more of an audience the more potential sales...

Also let us all know what Chad thinks of massaging a brand new 4k display too, as some posters attest the need.
Too bad the XBR-79X900B could not be included as it is a passive 3D panel and many wish to know how it compares to it's smaller active 3D panel siblings. In the future I could see another shootout with the 4k LG OLED 77" and the Vizio 65" Reference Series and any other strong 4k contenders that could hold their own against these two techno marvels. Whomp!

I posted some mouth watering recent info in the OLED section about a fascinating recent article giving info of LG boasting a 110" OLED by the end of this year, as well as an OLED 8k display they are working on, but they admitted the increased resolution created way too much heat, & they need to create better materials to handle it.

Lastly it may behoove CP to update their name as plasma technology is becoming unfortunately so yesterday's news. Many potential customers may not even navigate to your website if they do not know any better thinking that's all you sell. I know the 1st time I went to the site that's what I initially thought.

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XBR65X950B_mksp.pdf


the manual says on page 4


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3840x2160/24p 3840x2160/25p 3840x2160/30p 4096x2160/24p
3840x2160/60p (YCbCr4:2:0 8bit)
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(HDMI / Component) 480/60i 480/60p 720/60p 1080/30p
(HDMI only) 720/30p (HDMI only) 720/24p (HDMI only
You realize those are the input signals the TV accepts right? It has nothing to do with the bit depth or color format of the LCD panel itself or the bit depth of the internal processing.
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Lastly it may behoove CP to update their name as plasma technology is becoming unfortunately so yesterday's news. Many potential customers may not even navigate to your website if they do not know any better thinking that's all you sell. I know the 1st time I went to the site that's what I initially thought.
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Yes, another Sony fanboy which means his opinions are highly biased.
Ha, I'm a fanboy now because I currently own a Sony? What's your flavour of the week Vegas? Did you buy a Sammie now and I just hurt your fellings?
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The name change is going to take time, its in the works. Cleveland Plasma and Cleveland AV are both up and running . Same exact sights.... one gets more traffic and I have to shift this traffic gradually.......If I only would have known ten years ago........ lol

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The 4K image made my jaw drop, amazing.
I thought 4k was just snake oil? That's what you said in the OLED thread.

I love the continual flipping. It's like 2 different people posting...

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4k will make sense with oled not poor lcd panels that tryes to fake blacks n wash out details...
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I thought 4k was just snake oil? That's what you said in the OLED thread.

I love the continual flipping. It's like 2 different people posting...
There's 'changing your mind', there's 'flip floppiing', there's a lack of objectivity and then there's something I can't even put a phrase to...he's entered that undefined territory.
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4k will make sense with oled not poor lcd panels that tryes to fake blacks n wash out details...
4K looks stunning on any set I've seen, so you're quite wrong. Keep in mind that your entire TV picture, whether created by OLED, CRT, LED, LCD or plasma IS faked. That's the nature of creating a picture electronically. You guys are just too much.

Objectivity on AVS seems to dwindle day by day.
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I thought 4k was just snake oil? That's what you said in the OLED thread.

I love the continual flipping. It's like 2 different people posting...
I was one of them who considered 4K all hype. When I originally saw the 85" version in the Sony store, I wasn't particularly impressed. But perhaps I was expecting to be blown away by the difference between HD and UHD. The jump is not as significant as between SD and HD. But after seeing a demo where they show the same scene in HD vs. UHD, it gave me a better comparison.

I don't consider the difference "jaw dropping", but the improvement with upscaling along with drastic price drops have made me warm up to 4K. At first, a $25,000 TV with no source content clouded my opinion.
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Saw this set at bb yesterday. Pretty underwhelming, the 4k feed looked soft and colours were flat. The curve seems to make the picture look stretched or unnatural. Could have been the feed or connection but it was nothing to write home about.
We'll next to the x900b I was more than glad to purchase the hu9000. Clearly the better picture. Crisp has a new meaning. To me I mean. I'm not sure why your bb had a crap set.
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