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**Official 2014 Vizio M652i-B2 owners thread

Because the 2014 Vizio M652i-B2 uses a distinct panel from either the 60" or 70" 2014 M Series TVs, as well as the fact that the 2014 Vizio Mxxx owner's thread has become too long, I decided to start this thread to collect reviews, comments, questions and support regarding the M652i-B2.


The M652i-B2 has is now available (and with the full number of 32 local dimming zones :-) and first owner's of this TV here on the Forum have started to materialize. Any user reviews from first owners of the M652i-B2 willing to share their impressions of this TV would be a great way to kick off the thread!
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Looking forward to owner's opinions on this size in particular, especially in regards to the backlight vignetting which I know at least one person already said was not an issue on this size as opposed to the 60" which they also had for a while.

Looks like these are starting to roll out to Costco already so hopefully some user reviews start rolling in. With pics too!
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Just ordered One from Best Buy and should have it by Wednesday. Hoping the recommended settings from CNET's 60" version will suffice for now:

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 45
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 64
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: -50, -25, -45
Green: 10, 0, -10
Blue: -8, 0, -12
Cyan: 3, 0, -4
Magenta: 5, 0, -14
Yellow: 0, -16, 0

Red offset: 0
Red gain: -22
Green offset: 3
Green Gain: -3
Blue offset: -5
Blue gain: 0

11-point white balance:
[Gain amounts for red, green and blue]
5%: 10, -1, 1
10%: 16, 8, 39
20%: 3, 1, 24
30%: -8, -6, -7
40%: -24, -23, -6
50%: -48, -39, -31
60%: -50, -50, -36
70%: -50, -50, -34
80%: -50, -50, -39
90%: -42, -45, -50
100%: 0, -10, 0

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I wouldn't recommend using the Cnet calibration; many that have used it have been disappointed.

Another thing to consider the 65" uses a different panel than the 60" so the same setting will probably have different results.


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Just ordered One from Best Buy and should have it by Wednesday. Hoping the recommended settings from CNET's 60" version will suffice for now:

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 45
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 64
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: -50, -25, -45
Green: 10, 0, -10
Blue: -8, 0, -12
Cyan: 3, 0, -4
Magenta: 5, 0, -14
Yellow: 0, -16, 0

Red offset: 0
Red gain: -22
Green offset: 3
Green Gain: -3
Blue offset: -5
Blue gain: 0

11-point white balance:
[Gain amounts for red, green and blue]
5%: 10, -1, 1
10%: 16, 8, 39
20%: 3, 1, 24
30%: -8, -6, -7
40%: -24, -23, -6
50%: -48, -39, -31
60%: -50, -50, -36
70%: -50, -50, -34
80%: -50, -50, -39
90%: -42, -45, -50
100%: 0, -10, 0
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I was almost an official owner this afternoon...unfortunately it would not fit in my car.
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I wouldn't recommend using the Cnet calibration; many that have used it have been disappointed.

Another thing to consider the 65" uses a different panel than the 60" so the same setting will probably have different results.
Is there another recommended calibration setting? I'm not seeing anything while searching through that other monster thread.
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I was almost an official owner this afternoon...unfortunately it would not fit in my car.
First thing that popped into my mind AFTER I bought the TV online through Best Buy. I should have had it delivered. I might have to take it out of the box and tilt it slightly to get it to fit in the back of my wife's Jeep Liberty,.
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Just ordered One from Best Buy and should have it by Wednesday. Hoping the recommended settings from CNET's 60" version will suffice for now:

---Picture settings menu---
Picture Mode: Custom 1
Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 45
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 64
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

---Professional Picture submenu---
Color Tuner:
Red [Hue, Saturation, Brightness]: -50, -25, -45
Green: 10, 0, -10
Blue: -8, 0, -12
Cyan: 3, 0, -4
Magenta: 5, 0, -14
Yellow: 0, -16, 0

Red offset: 0
Red gain: -22
Green offset: 3
Green Gain: -3
Blue offset: -5
Blue gain: 0

11-point white balance:
[Gain amounts for red, green and blue]
5%: 10, -1, 1
10%: 16, 8, 39
20%: 3, 1, 24
30%: -8, -6, -7
40%: -24, -23, -6
50%: -48, -39, -31
60%: -50, -50, -36
70%: -50, -50, -34
80%: -50, -50, -39
90%: -42, -45, -50
100%: 0, -10, 0
For what it's worth, the basic picture settings here are almost exactly what I came up with using the Spears & Munsil Blu Ray on my m652i, and the Advanced settings are also what I've found provides for the best picture. The professional settings are a different matter...

Standard practice is to never use professional calibration settings, even for the same model television, but curiosity got the best of me and I gave them a shot. The professional settings used for the 60" cnet set will make your m652i picture look horrible and it takes a good 15 minutes to set everything back to default. At least wait until someone posts professional calibration settings for the 65" model, if you're going to see if they can improve your tv. Overall, I'm very satisfied with the picture quality derived from a basic Spears & Munsil calibration.
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For what it's worth, the basic picture settings here are almost exactly what I came up with using the Spears & Munsil Blu Ray on my m652i, and the Advanced settings are also what I've found provides for the best picture. The professional settings are a different matter...

Standard practice is to never use professional calibration settings, even for the same model television, but curiosity got the best of me and I gave them a shot. The professional settings used for the 60" cnet set will make your m652i picture look horrible and it takes a good 15 minutes to set everything back to default. At least wait until someone posts professional calibration settings for the 65" model, if you're going to see if they can improve your tv. Overall, I'm very satisfied with the picture quality derived from a basic Spears & Munsil calibration.
I was going to give it run with Spears & Munsil as well. Never used the disc but I'm guessing it doesn't go into the Professional submenu?
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I was going to give it run with Spears & Munsil as well. Never used the disc but I'm guessing it doesn't go into the Professional submenu?
If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the S&M Bluray does have some professional calibration tools on disk, but you would need a colorimeter to get any use out of them.
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Is there another recommended calibration setting? I'm not seeing anything while searching through that other monster thread.
Yeah, I haven't heard anyone having success with the cnet calibration. I'm thinking that particular tv may been a "special" review set from Vizio, but that's just my own conspiracy theory.

You can try Sound & Vision's settings: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...-hdtv-settings

Good luck!
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Just ordered one of these for my bedroom to replace an LG 60" plasma... LG wouldn't work right with CEC and my receiver and the glare was killer. Picking it up tomorrow.
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I'll be interested if anyone else tried a DIY calibration of this set. In the CNET review of the M602i-B3, Katzmaier said the grayscale adjustments actually adjusted the level above it (5% adjusted 10%, 10% adjusted 20% and so on). I plan on doing a calibration when I get mine in a couple weeks, but it would be nice to know if the M652i-B2 faces the same challenges.
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A day early, my TV is ready for pick up from Best Buy. Hoping I don't have to move my wall mount from my previous 50" Samsung Plasma but I'm not holding my breath. My wife is going to freak out when she sees the size of this beast. LOL
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I've had mine (M652i B2) for about a week (from Amazon). Everyone is right, the CNET cal settings were just shy of terrible. I'll post the settings I'm using for now until one of the experts on this site post some others. So far I'm just not too impressed with the tv though
...The colors are vibrant if your only into colors!! I watch a lot of horror movies and am very disappointed thus far with the handling of the blacks and shadows. Does anyone have any idea how I can stop the backlighting from over lighting the areas on the screen as it moves from location to location? For instance if you have a black screen and single white credits are shown the area around the credits is lit up..not just the letters (the beginning of the move Darkness for instance) ? This gets pretty annoying watching the moving backlights go from zone to zone...I really wish it was more subtle. Anyhow here are the settings I'm using for cable tv right now


auto bright off
backlight 55
bright 45
contrast 68
color 41
tint -4
sharpness 16


Advanced
only the Active LED zones is on
color temp Normal


Professional
all 0

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I've had mine (M652i B2) for about a week (from Amazon). Everyone is right, the CNET cal settings were just shy of terrible. I'll post the settings I'm using for now until one of the experts on this site post some others. So far I'm just not too impressed with the tv though
...The colors are vibrant if your only into colors!! I watch a lot of horror movies and am very disappointed thus far with the handling of the blacks and shadows. Does anyone have any idea how I can stop the backlighting from over lighting the areas on the screen as it moves from location to location? For instance if you have a black screen and single white credits are shown the area around the credits is lit up..not just the letters (the beginning of the move Darkness for instance) ? This gets pretty annoying watching the moving backlights go from zone to zone...I really wish it was more subtle. Anyhow here are the settings I'm using for cable tv right now


auto bright off
backlight 55
bright 45
contrast 68
color 41
tint -4
sharpness 16


Advanced
only the Active LED zones is on
color temp Normal


Professional
all 0
Hmm, seems like your having issues with blooming. It could possibly be made less severe with proper calibration, maybe with a lower backlight and/or brightness setting (maybe try the sound & vision settings with lower backlight and higher brightness to see if it helps the issue at all), but you'll probably always have some amount of that issue. May I ask what your previous TV set was?

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Does anyone here have the actual costco item #....trying to track one down!
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Installed the TV last night and here are my first impressions. Calibration needed as it was way off. Colors really pop and the black was surprisingly better than my 6 yr old Samsung plasma. With all processing settings turned off, I did notice some noise/blur in fast action sequences so I might have to play around blur reduction or something but for now I left it all off. The smart TV is a joke. It's soooooo slow to load up the program albeit it's my first smart TV so I don't have much to compare it to other than my Xbox One Apps which were a lot quicker. Besides, I run all picture/sound from my X1 to the TV via my receiver which prohibits me from sending sound from the TV to the receiver. Result is audio from Smart TV apps restricted to the TV speakers only which are pretty bad but I expected that. I have a clean TV setup look with my wires buried in my wall so I'm not about to send an optical out from the TV to the receiver. If there was another way to send sound without additional wires, I would love to know.

I ran the S & M Calibration last night and came up with similar numbers. The biggest difference was Color & Tint. Wasn't sure how to calibrate Backlight so I left it at 45.

Auto Brightness Control: Off
Backlight: 45
Brightness: 51
Contrast: 64
Color: 45
Tint: -5
Sharpness: 0

--Advanced Picture submenu---
Color temperature: Normal
Black Detail: Off
Active LED Zones: On
Smooth Motion Effect: Off
Motion Blur Reduction: Off
Reduce Signal Noise: Off
Reduce Block Noise: Off
Picture Size: [no change]
Picture Position: [no change]
Film Mode: Auto
Wide: Normal

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I've had mine (M652i B2) for about a week (from Amazon). Everyone is right, the CNET cal settings were just shy of terrible. I'll post the settings I'm using for now until one of the experts on this site post some others. So far I'm just not too impressed with the tv though
...The colors are vibrant if your only into colors!! I watch a lot of horror movies and am very disappointed thus far with the handling of the blacks and shadows. Does anyone have any idea how I can stop the backlighting from over lighting the areas on the screen as it moves from location to location? For instance if you have a black screen and single white credits are shown the area around the credits is lit up..not just the letters (the beginning of the move Darkness for instance) ? This gets pretty annoying watching the moving backlights go from zone to zone...I really wish it was more subtle. Anyhow here are the settings I'm using for cable tv right now


auto bright off
backlight 55
bright 45
contrast 68
color 41
tint -4
sharpness 16


Advanced
only the Active LED zones is on
color temp Normal


Professional
all 0
I'm no calibration expert, but I'd recommend turning down your backlight to somewhere in the 35-45 range and redoing the calibration, this should take care of the issue somewhat. Also, try turning active LED zones off and see if it makes any difference.
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Got mine straight from Vizio shortly after World Cup started. If you were keeping track of the 2014 M series thread, mine was one of the first models, and was F'd up with circular light bands that were all across the screen. Chock it up to a bad panel.

Finally, weeks later, my replacement has arrived, and I'm happy to say that this particular one looks perfect, and no signs of light bands.


I'm still debating about calibration, and NO -- don't bother using CNET settings, as they're useless and honestly horrible. I'm debating getting it calibrated professionally, but for now will stick to the basic calibration disc/software provided here (AVS HD 709).

On another note -- what do you guys think about input lag? I gotta be honest that I'm disappointed in it when in non-game mode, and when in game mode, it seems just OK. My 40" Samsung from 2007 has practically no input lag, and that's with Game Mode disabled (never even knew I had it til I bought this Vizio). The TV is unusable on vid games without game mode enabled.

Anyways, just something to note. Maybe this replacement is better, but I have my doubts. Guess I'll find out later.
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To be honest, 55 backlight seems about perfect on this thing. When I calibrated mine, I had it down to 30 at one point, but it ended up being too dark. I guess it depends on the environment, but 55 was a good setting for me. I think I had mine on 51.
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Any comments on the glossiness / glare of the screen?
I ordered one online that is supposed to arrive soon, but recently saw last years model (A2) at costco and kind of got scared of how much glare there was on the screen. My room has a couple of big windows that are 90 degrees to the TV wall so I'm a little worried its going to be a problem.
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Any comments on the glossiness / glare of the screen?
I ordered one online that is supposed to arrive soon, but recently saw last years model (A2) at costco and kind of got scared of how much glare there was on the screen. My room has a couple of big windows that are 90 degrees to the TV wall so I'm a little worried its going to be a problem.
I don't have mine yet, but according to the CNET review it has great bright room performance,

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I'm no calibration expert, but I'd recommend turning down your backlight to somewhere in the 35-45 range and redoing the calibration, this should take care of the issue somewhat. Also, try turning active LED zones off and see if it makes any difference.


new settings


42 backlight
43 brightness
79 contrast
35 color
-2 tint
61 sharpness (not a very active control really)


all other settings are the same, without the active LED zones on the full screen gets a bit washed out... Once it gets dark tonight I'll let you know how the "blooming" looks

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Hmm, seems like your having issues with blooming. It could possibly be made less severe with proper calibration, maybe with a lower backlight and/or brightness setting (maybe try the sound & vision settings with lower backlight and higher brightness to see if it helps the issue at all), but you'll probably always have some amount of that issue. May I ask what your previous TV set was?


My old TV is a 47" LG 47LH40...very please with the TV for 5 years now but was ready to "up the game"!!
new settings


42 backlight
43 brightness
79 contrast
35 color
-2 tint
61 sharpness (not a very active control really)


all other settings are the same... Once it gets dark tonight I'll let you know how the "blooming" looks
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I don't have mine yet, but according to the CNET review it has great bright room performance,
The glare is pretty noticeable but I think that has more to do with how much screen there is vs. being a poor design. In other words more screen area in comparison to my old 47" so I'm noticing it more and the screen is mirroring a few more windows in my living room.
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Any comments on the glossiness / glare of the screen?
I ordered one online that is supposed to arrive soon, but recently saw last years model (A2) at costco and kind of got scared of how much glare there was on the screen. My room has a couple of big windows that are 90 degrees to the TV wall so I'm a little worried its going to be a problem.
It's not bad as far as big screens go. My Sammy plasma had a bigger glare. There is a glare but it actually performs well in my brightly lit room. However, I can see how any TV might be a problem with windows at the 90 degree angle.
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My old TV is a 47" LG 47LH40...very please with the TV for 5 years now but was ready to "up the game"!!
new settings


42 backlight
43 brightness
79 contrast
35 color
-2 tint
61 sharpness (not a very active control really)


all other settings are the same... Once it gets dark tonight I'll let you know how the "blooming" looks
That's pretty high in contrast. Probably because you have color somewhat low. Are you eyeballing it or did you calibrate it? And yes, i agree that the sharpness setting didn't seem to do much if anything at all and is why I have mine turned all the way the down.
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Quick note: I'm finding the metal edge around the bezel is quite distracting, especially the top edge when the room lights are on. It's probably the light from my lamp bouncing off the ceiling to the top edge of the TV.
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Man, just when I thought I had finally gotten a working model without flaws. Yesterday the courier dropped off the replacement and picked up the old one.

After I got off work, I really played around with it to get my settings, only to find that the power button on the back left side of the unit doesn't work 2/3 of the time. This is getting ridiculous. How hard is it to make a TV that works?

Guess it's time to call Vizio yet again. I'm sure I'll get dragged through a 3wk replacement process once again.
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