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Please help me pick between these 2 4K TV's -Samsung UN65HU8550 Vs Sony XBR65X850B

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I am extremely stuck between these 2 TV's Samsung UN65HU8550 Vs Sony XBR65X850B and am not sure which is better and why? What are your recommendations and why ? Any help will be greatly appreciated!
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Are you planning to do any gaming on the set at all? If so, the Sony is the better choice by far.

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The Samsung will do much better dealing with clouding. Unless you are a hardcore gamer the Samsung is your best choice. The Samsung has active 3D the Sony has passive, which do you prefer? The Samsung also will be upgradable with their box if 4K specs change.
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Hi everyone thanks for your replies! I am not a hardcore gamer but yes I do game . I prefer active 3d until I'm looking at price :-) but I find the full resolution each eye is well worth it .

I was under the impression the Sony is a entry line series where as the samsung is a premium series . The flagship being 9000 but I believe the main difference is the curved screen?

Also what about dimming ? I heard the dimming is edge on the sony ? But entire image on samsung ? Is this true ?does one have better dimming than the other ?

How would you all think picture quality would compare ? Does tri luminous make a huge diff?

Thanks !!
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I just ordered the Sony after spending an hour comparing the two at BB Monday afternoon. Let me first say that both looked fantastic. Anyone stating you can't see the difference isn't an enthusiast or is straight hating the fact that their 1080P set is soon to be dated. I know this first hand as I sold my 6 month old W900A earlier this week.

To start the 8550 is thinner and it's colors did have a certain 'pop'. The blacks were very well defined if not 'inky'. The connect box thingy is much bigger than I thought it would be, looks more like a premium power strip. Off angle viewing was not bad although from the sides you really notice the silver metallic of the frame, distracting. However, the Samsung seemed to be very stylish, light and modern, along the same vein as their curved screens

The 850B, while not as bright, the colors seemed richer to my eyes. The thicker frame is a bit off putting but it does add to a solid feel, though because of it, I'm still not sure if it's going to fit in the space I have for it. I paid special attention to the black levels throughout and I must say they looked every bit as detailed/inky as the Samsung. As a matter of fact the picture was so rich and detailed I would have sworn I was looking at a Plasma. Gorgeous 4K demo, I watched the 10 min loop over and over again.

However, all things being equal, there was one glaring detail that I'm shocked employees didn't address immediately (then again it's BB). Watching the Samsung demo, while beautiful, I did notice moments of judder. Now this could be a matter of settings and I was willing to blow it off but then it came to the World War Z scene... While panning up to the wall in Jerusalem the Judder was so bad it was unwatchable! After that point I began to notice a pattern. Fast moving scenes or large panning scenes all displayed some level of staggering. Not to the frame wrenching horror of WWZ, but none the less present. I then spent another :20 with the Sony scanning hard for any hint of artifacts or judder..., ZERO. Never skipped a beat, flowed like liquid through every frame, every scene, in all conditions.

Sold. My XBR-65X850B arrives Tuesday.
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Thanks so much !! I really appreciate it thank you so much !! Very detailed and extrmwly insightful ! What about the local dimming on samsung vs edge dimming on sony ?
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You know, I couldn't tell the difference. Something like that would take some real evaluation at home, light off, lights on, etc. I'm just hoping that I get a panel as good as the one I saw, otherwise it's going back.
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I've read a bunch of reviews on amazon . Calibrate it and the consensus is the samsung will look better than what you saw in the store :-) any clarifications on dimming from anyone would still help ! And is sony a better picture quality? Is 8550 a flagship for the flat panel?
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I almost rolled over someone saying the 1080p sets are outdated haha 4k is great and all but at least 2-3 years from being out fully. That being said the Sony looked awesome I recently had to pick 70w850b (1080p) or the Sony 65 4k tv and to me the size was more important as once you sit back to where you should I can't tell a diffrence from 10ft sony though hands down
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Thanks so much !! I really appreciate it thank you so much !! Very detailed and extrmwly insightful ! What about the local dimming on samsung vs edge dimming on sony ?
The HU8550 will offer a much more capable dimming solution than the X850B. The Samsung offer UHD dimming (software) with precision black local dimming hardware based dimming (zones). The Sony offers their Frame dimming which is more in line with a global dimming solution than zone or local dimming.
You will have far more adjustment options for calibrating the display with the Samsung.
Sony and Samsung both offer some of the best motion processing in the biz,so sport,gaming and movies should be fantastic.
Sony is pretty much untouchable when it comes to gaming as far as input lag is concerned. I don't game online,so lag is of little concern to me as long as it doesn't reach 100ms or higher (in game mode).
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Thank you! And is the 8550 flagship for samsungs flat panels ?
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Thank you! And is the 8550 flagship for samsungs flat panels ?
As far as I know, the 8550 is the best flat panel 4K tv that samsung is offering this year
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Thank you! And is the 8550 flagship for samsungs flat panels ?
From what I understand it is the replacement (flat) 4k for the F9000 from 2013. I have been eyeballing the HU8550,X850B and LG UB8500 myself. My main concern being the LG and Sony share the same panel type which is IPS. As you probably know IPS while often times offer better viewing angles suffer from poor black level performance in a dark environment. The Samsung uses a VA panel which can usually offer 3x the native contrast ratio as well as superior black level performance. I have seen little to no reviews for the Sony or LG,but judging by the Sony W950B review which also shares an IPS panel that image quality suffers.
I have owned both Sony and Samsung,but the last few generations of Samsung have really blown me away.
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Thanks again! Very very insightful!! So I actually picked up the sony 70" x850b and then had buyers remorse because it did not fit my wall very well. The picture was good but I liked the brightness on the samsung better at BB that being said many people said go with sony in the store but I wasn't sure if it is because Sony gives them kickbacks. The picture also suffered from major glare in my opinion.

The point of this forum was to see if I am wrong about the quality of display and if it was truly superior to Samsung which I am shying away from . I own a plasma Samsung from 2011 and LOVE it. But being an early adopter, I couldn't resist 4k which looks stunning with native footage ( if I can find some ) after reading almost all the reviews on amazon and comparing it to my experience with sony I am beginning to think that Samsung is the right choice .

You good people are also reinforcing my belief and also teaching me new things that I am not aware of. I will probably get the samsung unless so,done says something drastic about it here .

In my opinion the best people to learn from are fellow enthusiasts as we all share a passion for the field and while I am fairly aware of the market , I am humble enough to recognize the immense value of all your thoughtful opinions and suggestions.

Thank you all!

One other thing I have a Pioneer elite SC-75 , I had a different thread I started asking about whether or not it supports HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I couldn't find any answers as no one has replied . Do any of you know ?

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Thanks again! Very very insightful!! So I actually picked up the sony 70" x850b and then had buyers remorse because it did not fit my wall very well. The picture was good but I liked the brightness on the samsung better at BB that being said many people said go with sony in the store but I wasn't sure if it is because Sony gives them kickbacks. The picture also suffered from major glare in my opinion.

The point of this forum was to see if I am wrong about the quality of display and if it was truly superior to Samsung which I am shying away from . I own a plasma Samsung from 2011 and LOVE it. But being an early adopter, I couldn't resist 4k which looks stunning with native footage ( if I can find some ) after reading almost all the reviews on amazon and comparing it to my experience with sony I am beginning to think that Samsung is the right choice .

You good people are also reinforcing my belief and also teaching me new things that I am not aware of. I will probably get the samsung unless so,done says something drastic about it here .

In my opinion the best people to learn from are fellow enthusiasts as we all share a passion for the field and while I am fairly aware of the market , I am humble enough to recognize the immense value of all your thoughtful opinions and suggestions.

Thank you all!

One other thing I have a Pioneer elite SC-75 , I had a different thread I started asking about whether or not it supports HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. I couldn't find any answers as no one has replied . Do any of you know ?

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It doesn't seem to have the HDMI 2.0 or HDCP 2.2. Since the those standards really started appearing in the higher 2014 models. Your Elite does support 4k @ 30hz and true 4096 x 2160p @ 24p.
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good,Anyone stating you can't see the difference isn't an enthusiast or is straight hating the fact that their 1080P set is soon to be dated.[IMG]http://*******/WNKpGN[/IMG] I know this first hand as I sold my 6 month old W900A earlier this week.thank you

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good,Anyone stating you can't see the difference isn't an enthusiast or is straight hating the fact that their 1080P set is soon to be dated.[IMG]http://*******/WNKpGN[/IMG] I know this first hand as I sold my 6 month old W900A earlier this week.thank you
What world are you on? From 10 ft back you will not tell the diffrence between full hd and 4k . Have you not done your hw? There great tvs but the technology isn't worth the money as of now . And won't be for another 3 years otherwise they would stop making full hd tvs my lord some people
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Doesn't the tv need the handshake of hdcp 2.2 to send through 4k signal ? I think that is what I read ?

Also what is true 4096 x 2160 p . Sorry I'm just confused because if that is 4 k what is the 3084 x 2160 format ?

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Doesn't the tv need the handshake of hdcp 2.2 to send through 4k signal ? I think that is what I read ?

Also what is true 4096 x 2160 p . Sorry I'm just confused because if that is 4 k what is the 3084 x 2160 format ?

Thanks !
3840 x 2160p keeps the format at 16:9 or 1:78:1,so manufacturers simply round up to 4k. Market research has shown that know one likes a 3.8k TV.
If I am correct 4096x2160p would change the picture format to 1:9:1 or 16:10 aspect ratio,which would make our screen slightly more square than rectangle like 1920x1200p monitors.
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I have spent 2 hours on the phone with samsungs supervisor for their highest level of tech support, he didn't even know hdmi 2.0 or hdcp 2.2 existed... All of your replies are invaluable. Thanks so much ! It is the only way to clarify any of this .

Lastly will a device that does not have hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2 transmit 4k ? you mentioned above about my reciever being able to do 4k etc but how is this possible if the tv needs an hdcp 2.2 device? Or is that not a requirement ?
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I have spent 2 hours on the phone with samsungs supervisor for their highest level of tech support, he didn't even know hdmi 2.0 or hdcp 2.2 existed... All of your replies are invaluable. Thanks so much ! It is the only way to clarify any of this .

Lastly will a device that does not have hdmi 2.0 and hdcp 2.2 transmit 4k ? you mentioned above about my reciever being able to do 4k etc but how is this possible if the tv needs an hdcp 2.2 device? Or is that not a requirement ?
It's still 4k compliant,just at a the lower 30hz as opposed to HDMI 2 @ 60hz.
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And hdcp will not effect transmission?
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My understanding is that without a hdcp 2.2 handshake, the tv will not accept 4k transmission
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My understanding is that without a hdcp 2.2 handshake, the tv will not accept 4k transmission
If you are streaming 4k than the new HEVC .265 is needed as well as HDCP 2,2, any 4k compliant TV/receiver will accept 4k the 1.4 HDMI @ 30Hz and 2.0 HDMI @ 60Hz. Now some the 4k media players offered by Sony and Samsung may require HDCP 2.2,but I can't be for certain.
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Thank you !! One last thing, does the samsung support 4k 3D? The Manuel says it's capable when showing resolutions but I know sony says only 2k
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HDCP 2.2 is not needed for streaming via built in TV apps like Netflix which is likely to be how most of us get our 4k content until they decide to implement HDCP 2.2 into 4K players. Currently there are only a few HDMI 2.0 chipsets. One allows full 4K 60 4:4:4 (18Gbps) but does not have HDCP 2.2 and the other has 4K 60 4:2:0 (10Gbps) but has HDCP 2.2. All receiver manufacturers except Onkyo opted for full HDMI 2.0 vs adding in HDCP2.2 since nothing uses it yet. Onkyo has HDCP 2.2 on two ports but they are the reduced Chroma 4:2:0 on 60Hz (full chroma 4:4:4 on 24/30 material).

Also just to point out the HU8550 does not come with a One Connect box. All the inputs are on the back but it does have a One Connect port to add a box later to upgrade. The first box for it will likely be available in 2015.

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HDCP 2.2 is not needed for streaming via built in TV apps like Netflix which is likely to be how most of us get our 4k content until they decide to implement HDCP 2.2 into 4K players. Currently there are only a few HDMI 2.0 chipsets. One allows full 4K 60 4:4:4 (18Gbps) but does not have HDCP 2.2 and the other has 4K 60 4:2:0 (10Gbps) but has HDCP 2.2. All receiver manufacturers except Onkyo opted for full HDMI 2.0 vs adding in HDCP2.2 since nothing uses it yet. Onkyo has HDCP 2.2 on two ports but they are the reduced Chroma 4:2:0 on 60Hz (full chroma 4:4:4 on 24/30 material).

Also just to point out the HU8550 does not come with a One Connect box. All the inputs are on the back but it does have a One Connect port to add a box later to upgrade. The first box for it will likely be available in 2015.
I was under the impression that the new Onkyo receivers do come with HDMI 2.0 and comply with HDCP2.2.
I'm talking about the 2014 x3x models.

Am I missing something here ?
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HDCP 2.2 is not needed for streaming via built in TV apps like Netflix which is likely to be how most of us get our 4k content until they decide to implement HDCP 2.2 into 4K players. Currently there are only a few HDMI 2.0 chipsets. One allows full 4K 60 4:4:4 (18Gbps) but does not have HDCP 2.2 and the other has 4K 60 4:2:0 (10Gbps) but has HDCP 2.2. All receiver manufacturers except Onkyo opted for full HDMI 2.0 vs adding in HDCP2.2 since nothing uses it yet. Onkyo has HDCP 2.2 on two ports but they are the reduced Chroma 4:2:0 on 60Hz (full chroma 4:4:4 on 24/30 material).

Also just to point out the HU8550 does not come with a One Connect box. All the inputs are on the back but it does have a One Connect port to add a box later to upgrade. The first box for it will likely be available in 2015.

Thank you ! When you say 'one' and the 'other'. What are you referring to? Which specific devices?
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I was under the impression that the new Onkyo receivers do come with HDMI 2.0 and comply with HDCP2.2.
I'm talking about the 2014 x3x models.

Am I missing something here ?
Sorry if I wasn't being clear, it is late Onkyo chose the chipset that has HDCP 2.2 on 2(maybe 3) of their ports but that inclusion limits the HDMI 2.0 port to the same bandwidth as HDMI 1.4

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Thank you ! When you say 'one' and the 'other'. What are you referring to? Which specific devices?
Sorry I was referring to the two different chipsets. You can either have Full Speed HDMI 2.0 (18Gbps) OR HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 (10Gbps) but with the same bandwidth as HDMI 1.4. This limitation is why I purchased Samsung 4K sets, future upgradeability.

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