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Vizio will have the TV at like 25 grand. The price difference will be so much Samsung will be screwed.
But the Samsung won't have black bars when displaying 21:9 content and it's curved. Aren't those two features worth $95k?
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I think I'd rather either have a completely new house built for that amount, or build out the most killer theater ever, in an existing building. I mean, it only cost around $100k for the HTOM called Fortress of Solitude. Sheesh. People who buy that have more money than sense.
if they have the money i don't think they care. There's a budget for everyone. I'm sure you bought stuffs that poor people would say the same to you. It's there money they do whatever they want, who are you to judge ? unless you're just jealous.
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All I see are cutbacks in huge corporations, not a trend to spend much more money. If you tell somebody, "we can spend $20,000 on a wall full of flat screens for your conference room, or we can spend $120,000 on a single giant flat screen," which do you think they'll go for?

I think your impressions are wishful thinking that don't really apply to the real world. I could see them spending $250K on the decor of a large conference room, but a dubious $120,000 curved 4K monitor is not going to make their conferences even .1% better. And they don't have any easy way to connect real-time 4K anyway. 4K is total, absolute overkill for what is essentially a very classy Skype call.
LOL. Why would it be "wishful thinking" on my part? I gain nothing from such a wish as I don't work on the vendor or manufacture side who financially benefit from this. I am the client (and shareholder) who approves the invoices for that spending. I am the person who sits on various boards in NYC who sees what other companies bought, and who is invited to more such rooms for business meetings, etc.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that all companies are cutting back on spending but that's just not true. I'll grant you that for a few years -- 2009-2011 -- most of these companies held back. But those days are long gone, at least in the major companies I deal with. These companies often spend millions renovating rooms. Spending $100K on a screen that would be the visual centerpiece of such a room is minor to when you're spending ten-times that, or more. And to your point about how you could see spending $250K on the decor, what do you think these screens are? They are the focus point of the room. The TV manufactures make these screens for bragging rights, but that's one of the reasons companies buy them too -- to have a visual statement, a cool factor in their major conference/board rooms.

Keep in mind some of these companies will spend up to $10MM just on interior renovations for a private jet. That's not the acquisition cost -- which can exceed $60MM -- or the cost to maintain it every year -- up to $8MM -- that's just the totally elective cost to change the previously great interior just because it belonged to someone else or because it's 5 years old and needs a refresh. Some of these companies spend about the same to customize the interiors of their private suites at major sports venues. They easily can spend over a million or more just for a holiday party -- money that is depreciated over one night instead of the 5 years a company would depreciate conference room upgrades. I could go on. The point is, if you understand the magnitude of their elective spending it's easier to understand why a $100K monitor is not that unusual.

Here's but one example of a company that plays in this high-end conference space. They exist because there is a market demand for them, bottom line. I picked this one because I heard their pitch recently. I guarantee you this solution costs many times that fanciful Samsung. If you click on their case studies you can see an example of a well-know company that bought this wall for a telepresence video conference solution, who could have easily used a few 60" monitors from their own stores instead...

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That one will cause the blood pressure to rise when you need to call Samsung Warranty support
People who buy this kind of TV have servants for this kind of thing. Also, for people like that 120K is like buying a can of Coke is for us, even less than that.
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you must not have much experience with servants from the sound of it...
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Moore's Law...A blessing for the patient, a curse for the first adopters.
I'm not sure what Moore's law has to do with LCDs, but sure... Why not?
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Hopefully other manufacturers will take suite and start producing 2.37:1 sets.
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you must not have much experience with servants from the sound of it...
Me - no.

One of the people that I know has a "house manager", though. She pays her about 30-something a year + health insurance, I think.
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People who buy this kind of TV have servants for this kind of thing. Also, for people like that 120K is like buying a can of Coke is for us, even less than that.
They're called "staff" these days...
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Hopefully other manufacturers will take suite and start producing 2.37:1 sets.
There have been various sets of this approximate dimension in the past and they have never taken off. I doubt they will soon. Not that I would mind -- I'd take one if they ever became affordable at large sizes.
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I come from using Rear Projection HDTV's for years and don't want to ever go back to a curved screen no matter how slight.


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But the Samsung won't have black bars when displaying 21:9 content and it's curved. Aren't those two features worth $95k?
Sure it is worth some price premium
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Vizio will have the TV at like 25 grand. The price difference will be so much Samsung will be screwed.
Vizio is vaporware. They can't even fix the white spot issue on their 70" LCD.
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I really have to scratch my head with a $120k cost for a panel also. Too think I've just about finished building another dedicated HT media room that features Steinway Lyngdorf S-series, a Sony VW500, a custom sized SI Lunar Maestro curved 4K screen, acoustic room treatment, paint and some cabinetry that all together will not owe me anything like $120k. Wondering truly outside maybe venue installations, how many of these things they'll sell..

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Ill just buy 2 - 55" Samsungs for a fraction of the cost haha. What a wast
You would need just about 4 55" TV's to equal the size of a 105".

Would Samsung take the TV back for a dead pixel?

You know what is funny, people are saying they can't believe a calibration is not thrown in. Do you really think anyone spending $100,000 for TV is worried about spending another $500 for a calibration?
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why not buy two, using a HTPC and doing 'Cinarama' (sp), wrapping the picture around you???

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I wonder how much the recycling charge would be on something like this

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Just sold my Phillips Cinema 21:9 56" after owning it for about 3 years. It was truly fantastic when watching movies in 2.35:1 or 2.39:1 AR. But for anything narrower it was not so enjoyable. You do get used to the vertical black bars on the left and right hand side of the image but switching the aspect ratio of the screen becomes a pain after a while. People argue that these shaped screens are for "movie lovers" but there are so many classics in 1.85:1. 1.78:1 and narrower, that statement is not really true.
The price is also absurd. For that you could get a massive 4K standard 1.78:1 screen and have a drop down screen and 4K projector set up in front of it...with plenty of change to spare.
And watching something like 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in 2.20:1 is awful on this new Samsung as it results in blacks bars on all 4 sides of the image.
Widescreen displays are 1.78:1 for a reason- they are the best compromise when you factor in all the different aspect ratios.
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And watching something like 'Lawrence Of Arabia' in 2.20:1 is awful on this new Samsung as it results in blacks bars on all 4 sides of the image.
why should it result in 4 blackbars? cropping blackbars and scaling shouldn't be to hard for a 100k TV. there shouldn't be more than 2 bars if set correctly.
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why should it result in 4 blackbars? cropping blackbars and scaling shouldn't be to hard for a 100k TV. there shouldn't be more than 2 bars if set correctly.
Yes, if it does in fact have the necessary scaling you'll get vertical black bars on the left and right hand side of the image. it will be interesting to see if they can still achieve 1:1 pixel mapping in such a situation.
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So does this TV really run at 5120x2160? That's rather impressive if it does, for a single screen without hooking up multiple monitors/TVs to achieve such a resolution.

I'm not digging this curved screen gimmick, it just looks strange to me, I prefer the flat traditional TV layout.
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Yes, if it does in fact have the necessary scaling you'll get vertical black bars on the left and right hand side of the image. it will be interesting to see if they can still achieve 1:1 pixel mapping in such a situation.
you can't hold 1:1 pixel mapping on a 21/9 screen and this is not a huge deal. you have to scale chroma anyway and on this screen all non UHD source need scaling anyway.

every BD movie is 16/9 hd or 4/3, 16/9 sd on the disc if the movie uses 21/9 there a simply blackbars encoded in the 16/9 video stream.
so the screen has to remove blackbars anyway.

read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Video

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So does this TV really run at 5120x2160?
a normal UHD screen is 3840x2160 so this is a normal UHD for 16/9 content. not that impressive anymore.
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So does this TV really run at 5120x2160? That's rather impressive if it does, for a single screen without hooking up multiple monitors/TVs to achieve such a resolution.

I'm not digging this curved screen gimmick, it just looks strange to me, I prefer the flat traditional TV layout.
As far as I can tell, it can't accept anything over 4096x2160 (or possibly even 3840x2160). It accepts 21:9 content as letter-boxed 3140x2160 or 1920x1080. It crops the black bars, resulting in a 3140x1646ish or1920x823ish image. It then scales the image to fit the 5120x2160 screen.

Actual 16:9 and 4:3 content will either have black bars on the sides, be stretched horizontally, or zoomed to fill the width with the top and bottom chopped off or squashed vertically.
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