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(UPDATED 2/4/15 Another new review (from 4K) out...


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LINKS TO REVIEWS OF 2014 VIZIO P SERIES:

review from 4K:
http://4k.com/tv/review-vizio-p-series-4k-tvs-50-70-inches-affordable-top-shelf-technology/


"Whatever minor flaws the Vizio TVs do offer are more than offset by their sheer affordability. These are not your typical crappy budget 4K TVs from unknown brands, they really deliver while sticking to budget prices."

Updated CNET review of FW 1.1.14/1.1.16: http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-p552ui-b2/2/

"Black level: The 65-inch P series is capable of delivering a very deep level of black and superb contrast for an LCD TV. In most of the demanding dark scenes from "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2," it was neck-and-neck with the Samsung PNF8500 plasma (and often surpassed it) for second-deepest blacks in the lineup, trailing only the exceedingly expensive Sony."


Updated review from HeronFidelity on FW 1.1.14/1.1.16:
http://www.heronfidelity.com/blog/update-vizio-p-series-ultra-hd.html

"Almost there
The Vizio P-Series Ultra HD television isn't videophile-grade, but the latest update barely nudged it into a value 4K UHD recommendation. Calibration benefits any TV, and it's a must for the Vizio P-series to fully realize its picture potential. "


http://hdguru.com/vizio-4k-ultra-high-definition-p652ui-b2-review/#more-14529


"Given our preference for accuracy over enhancement, HD Guru sees no choice but to award the Vizio P652ui-B2 1 out of 5 Hearts, our lowest rating."



http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/podcast...ast-658-vizio-p702uib3-ultra-hd-tv-review.php


"Conclusion We are at the beginning of the Ultra HD transition and you may wonder if its too early to switch. One can argue that it is, but if you have a Blu-ray player or a 15Mbps Internet connection you really don’t have to wait. The Vizio P702ui-B3 will take those platforms and make them better! We can’t wait for 4K Blu-ray!"


http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/vizio-p652ui-b2-p-series-4k-led-tv-review

"The P652ui-B2 may be the most value-packed we've reviewed this year."



http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/vizio/p-series

"The Vizio P Series is an exceptional 4k LED TV at a competitive price. It isn't without flaws (no LED TV is perfect), but it has an overall great picture quality.






P60 Overall Rating: 8.4
  • +Great black uniformity, even with local dimming turned off. It also has a better gray uniformity than the M Series.
  • +Very bright. It currently holds our maximum white luminance record.
  • +Very low input lag and great features to control the motion blur, which is great for gaming. However, it has a very long trail on full color transition.
  • -Poor viewing angle. The colors change significantly when you view it at an angle [greater than 21 degrees]."
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LINKS TO PRE-REVIEWS OF 2014 VIZIO P SERIES:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/vizio-p652ui-4k-led-tv-first-impressions-review

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/23/6832447/vizio-p-series-4k-tv-release-date-pricing

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...fficially-debuts-p-series-led-lcd-uhdtvs.html

http://www.cnet.com/videos/vizio-p-series-how-good-can-a-cheaper-4k-tv-look/

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...nds-vizio-pseries-ultra-hd-launch-event/18055

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LINKS TO 4K CONTENT FOR VIEWING ON THE VIZIO P (OR ANY 4K TV):
[provided by Ph8te]


Tears of Steel
http://mango.blender.org/download/
Big Buck Bunny
http://bbb3d.renderfarming.net/download.html
Sintel
http://download.blender.org/durian/movies/
Random:
http://box.houkouonchi.jp/4k/
Random:
http://demo-uhd3d.com/
Other:
http://ultravideo.cs.tut.fi/#testsequences


Also, it appears that Youtube does offer some HQ 4k videos that are high bitrate to get these follow these steps:
1. Get a download plugin (Flashget is what I use)
2) go to Youtube and find a 4K video (example http://youtu.be/eYqIEBpbRhg?list=UUQn7aX0JAIfH0KVL7nqUzjw)
3) for flashget once the video starts playing you will see the "media icon" become available in the top right of firefox
4) Click the icon and look for the "highres" media file.
5) select either the webm or mp4 (I have found that webm while having no audio has the higher bitrates and larger files size when both webm and mp4 "highres" versions are available)
6) You can download the separate audio file as well and then use a program to "mux" the audio and video together.
7) Once complete you should see the file available in your selected download location., you should now be able to play this file as you would any media file. You may need to update your codecs if you are running an out of date pack.

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First owner reports of the new Vizio P Series are starting to come in and this thread has been started to capture them.

Specs of the P Series are summarized below.

It is now clear from the Vizio website that different sizes of the P Series are based on different panel types. Vizio did not make this clear within their specifications until recently (and absolute shame on them for that :-( but the spec on viewing angle was a hint).


55" P Series has been confirmed to have an IPS LCD panel (so poor black level performance when viewing in a dark room).

70" P Series is confirmed to be based on a Sharp VA-type LCD panels (so ~5X better black levels). For dark-room viewing, the early owner's of the 70" P Series express greater satisfaction with the black levels than the one owner of the 55" (though new P55 owners have since emerged that are happy with the P55 for dark-room viewing). The 70" has a reported issue with perfect red calibration but most consider that it is not noticeable unless next to perfectly calibrated TV.

65" P Series is based on a VA-type panel. The 65" P has the same 178°/178° viewing angle as the 55" IPS panel but in the case of the 65" M Series, the panel has that same 178°/178° viewing angle spec but the panel has been confirmed by Vizio to be VA-type. So the 65" P isVA-type like the 65" M (and probably both coming from AUO as has been rumored), but this is more of a wildcard than the 60" and 70" panels at this stage. It is also possible/likely that the 65" AUO panel does not suffer from the same minor red chroma defect as the 60" and 70" panels.

60" P Series has been confirmed as VA type and is another Sharp panel like the 70" panel and it also suffers from the same minor red chroma defect as the 70".

55" P Series has been confirmed to have an IPS LCD panel (so poor black level performance when viewing in a dark room). Calibrated color on this TV is excellent (see posts #2 and #3 below) and it appears to be a winner for bright-room viewing but not the best P Series TV for dark-room viewing. Local dimming improves the black level performance when viewing in a dark room but in this case the viewing angle is severely reduced (which undcuts the primary advantage of IPS panels over VA panels). Anyone looking for a TV for brightroom viewing and needing the widest possible viewing angle that an LCD can provide may want to consider the 55" over all of the other P Series sizes. Anyone not needing the widest possible viewing angle or for whom dark-room viewing is a high priority should probably avoid the 55" in favor of one of the other sizes (which are all VA-based).

50" P Series has the same viewing angle spec to suggest it will be VA-type, but that is an unknown at this stage.

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Here is a recap of primary specs for the P Series TVs


2014 Vizio P Series (common specs)
-V6 Six-core processor: Quad-core GPU + Dual-core CPU
-HD to UHD Upscale Engine
-Spatial Scaling Engine
-Full Array Local Dimming Backlight
-Ultra HD - 3840x2160
-Refresh Rate 120Hz
-Clear Action 960
-Active Pixel Tuning
-Dynamic Contrast Ratio 50 M to 1

P502ui-B1 $1000
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-153w
-38.8lbs


P552ui-B2 $1400
-10 bit IPS-type LCD panel (LG?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-178°/178° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-107.7w
-46lbs

P602ui-B3 $1700
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle (Noticeable color shift beyond 21° according to rtings.com)
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-132.8w
-56lbs

P652ui-B2 $2200
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (AUO?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-178°/178° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-307.6w (?)
-57.4lbs


P702ui-B3 $2500
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-72 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-133.1w
-70.55lbs
 
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#2,464 ·
Given the potentially poor upscaling in the P, would it make more sense to run sources like a STB or Roku through an Oppo 103 so that it can upscale to 4K? Would that make a big difference?
I'd like to know this as well- wondering the same thing. If this can help fix the blocks it would go a long ways for me. I'm teeter-tottering on keeping it or returning it.
 
#2,466 ·
Ok guys really need some advice. I'm playing my order for the p series in the next couple of days. I planned to get the P70 but it seems there is a big issue with off angle performance. I had this same problem with the M60. I upgraded to the M65 and it was much better. I do not have a chance to see either one before buying due to my location. Will someone please chime in on the P65 in home viewing angle performance. I would rather have the 70" however if the 65 is the cream of the P series I wouldn't mind losing 5" for a better experience.

Its a VA panel, but there were some pictures floating around several pages back and it showed that the 65" p had semi decent viewing angels despite being a VA panel.
 
#2,468 ·
External upscaling would absolutely impact the image quality. From my experience with my 4K set, even though the upscaler is always on, it will not upscale a 4K image twice. That is, if it signal it receives is already 4K upscaled, it will not scale it again. You can test this by seeing the impact of input lag at 4K resolution vs 1080p resolution. Noticeably more input lag at 1080p vs 4K, and my theory is that is due to the upscaler not having to work with the 4K signal.
 
#2,469 ·
Unless there are different colored stands and side edge colors on the different sizes of the P series, I'm confused by these statements.

All of the M series have a SILVER base TOP and the edge band of the panel is matching SILVER. The 70P I saw has a CHARCOAL colored base TOP and the edge band of the panel is matching CHARCOAL. The FACE edge of both series is BLACK matte plastic. This is exactly what is pictured on the Vizio website.

I suppose that you could call the edge of the enclosure "charcoal", being a gray just short of black, identical to the back of the panel, but the top of the base is definitely not the same color. The front of the bezel is jet black, non-reflective. It differs from the original marketing photos; of course the current ones match the shipping product.
 
#2,471 ·
As soon as my 50" arrives from Vizio.com, I plan to compare the Onk 838 (sitting in a box right now).
Any value in getting a 4K blue-ray player to handle the up conversion? I was thinking something like Sony BDPS6200 3D Blu-ray Player with Wi-Fi and 4K

www amazon.com/Sony-BDPS6200-Blu-ray-Player-Upscaling/dp/B00HPMCO14/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

Is it worth it? Would the quality improve on fast action scenes as well?
 
#2,472 ·
COSTCO Extended Warranty - "PROTECT YOUR TV 3 EXTRA YEARS" - 2 Years Costco Concierge Plus 3 Years Extended Protection by SquareTrade = 5 Years Total.


While COSTCO allows you to buy this extended coverage if you bought your TV from an authorized retailer. The question is do you lose year two coverage or is the extended warranty cut to 4 years total?. All I am saying just be sure before you buy.




Also if you look on Amazon for Square Trade warranties, be aware that the prices for "SquareTrade 5-Year TV Protection Plan " varies every few hours. In less than a days time, I have seen prices vary between $150 and $230, currently $186.
This may be old news, thread is moving fast! I called square trade to find out what happens if purchasing a tv for ex: BB and purchasing Costo $89 3 yr warranty. She stated yr 1 is through vizio, and yr 2,3,4 through square trade. So you would lose 1 yr of warranty vs purchasing through costco directly with Sq Trade and having 5 yrs total. Hope that helps. Costco still doesn't have any in stock at my warehouse and online is still out of stock. So, now trying to decide is it worth the 1 yr warranty loss vs waiting for costco to get their stock in.:confused:

dope, just saw this was answered. LOL
 
#2,474 ·
This may be old news, thread is moving fast! I called square trade to find out what happens if purchasing a tv for ex: BB and purchasing Costo $89 3 yr warranty. She stated yr 1 is through vizio, and yr 2,3,4 through square trade. So you would lose 1 yr of warranty vs purchasing through costco directly with Sq Trade and having 5 yrs total. Hope that helps. Costco still doesn't have any in stock at my warehouse and online is still out of stock. So, now trying to decide is it worth the 1 yr warranty loss vs waiting for costco to get their stock in.:confused:
You can get it for $170 less at bestbuy with coupon.
 
#2,475 ·
I would think that having an upscaling 4k blu-ray player would be redundant, since the TV upscales everything to 4K anyway, although I suppose the scaling implementation COULD be better (or at least different) in the blu-ray player than in the TV...
 
#2,476 ·
I would think that having an upscaling 4k blu-ray player would be redundant, since the TV upscales everything to 4K anyway, although I suppose the scaling implementation COULD be better (or at least different) in the blu-ray player than in the TV...
The reviews for that Sony suggest that there isn't much of a difference for Blu-Ray, but it does a better job of scaling DVDs.
 
#2,478 ·
So it isn't possible to run the strobing backlight alone, without the motion interpolator? :confused:

Sure you can. I can't detect the effect of that on that example. I can clearly see what SME does.
 
#2,479 ·
The P702UI-B3 is in the Harmony database now.
 
#2,480 ·
some 4k footage for your new 4k TVs

Whereas that's very pretty, there's no way to tell whether the YouTube VIA app is actually displaying a 4K encode.
 
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