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(UPDATED 2/4/15 Another new review (from 4K) out...


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LINKS TO REVIEWS OF 2014 VIZIO P SERIES:

review from 4K:
http://4k.com/tv/review-vizio-p-series-4k-tvs-50-70-inches-affordable-top-shelf-technology/


"Whatever minor flaws the Vizio TVs do offer are more than offset by their sheer affordability. These are not your typical crappy budget 4K TVs from unknown brands, they really deliver while sticking to budget prices."

Updated CNET review of FW 1.1.14/1.1.16: http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-p552ui-b2/2/

"Black level: The 65-inch P series is capable of delivering a very deep level of black and superb contrast for an LCD TV. In most of the demanding dark scenes from "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2," it was neck-and-neck with the Samsung PNF8500 plasma (and often surpassed it) for second-deepest blacks in the lineup, trailing only the exceedingly expensive Sony."


Updated review from HeronFidelity on FW 1.1.14/1.1.16:
http://www.heronfidelity.com/blog/update-vizio-p-series-ultra-hd.html

"Almost there
The Vizio P-Series Ultra HD television isn't videophile-grade, but the latest update barely nudged it into a value 4K UHD recommendation. Calibration benefits any TV, and it's a must for the Vizio P-series to fully realize its picture potential. "


http://hdguru.com/vizio-4k-ultra-high-definition-p652ui-b2-review/#more-14529


"Given our preference for accuracy over enhancement, HD Guru sees no choice but to award the Vizio P652ui-B2 1 out of 5 Hearts, our lowest rating."



http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/podcast...ast-658-vizio-p702uib3-ultra-hd-tv-review.php


"Conclusion We are at the beginning of the Ultra HD transition and you may wonder if its too early to switch. One can argue that it is, but if you have a Blu-ray player or a 15Mbps Internet connection you really don’t have to wait. The Vizio P702ui-B3 will take those platforms and make them better! We can’t wait for 4K Blu-ray!"


http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/vizio-p652ui-b2-p-series-4k-led-tv-review

"The P652ui-B2 may be the most value-packed we've reviewed this year."



http://www.rtings.com/reviews/tv/lcd-led/vizio/p-series

"The Vizio P Series is an exceptional 4k LED TV at a competitive price. It isn't without flaws (no LED TV is perfect), but it has an overall great picture quality.






P60 Overall Rating: 8.4
  • +Great black uniformity, even with local dimming turned off. It also has a better gray uniformity than the M Series.
  • +Very bright. It currently holds our maximum white luminance record.
  • +Very low input lag and great features to control the motion blur, which is great for gaming. However, it has a very long trail on full color transition.
  • -Poor viewing angle. The colors change significantly when you view it at an angle [greater than 21 degrees]."
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LINKS TO PRE-REVIEWS OF 2014 VIZIO P SERIES:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/vizio-p652ui-4k-led-tv-first-impressions-review

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/23/6832447/vizio-p-series-4k-tv-release-date-pricing

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...fficially-debuts-p-series-led-lcd-uhdtvs.html

http://www.cnet.com/videos/vizio-p-series-how-good-can-a-cheaper-4k-tv-look/

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...nds-vizio-pseries-ultra-hd-launch-event/18055

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LINKS TO 4K CONTENT FOR VIEWING ON THE VIZIO P (OR ANY 4K TV):
[provided by Ph8te]


Tears of Steel
http://mango.blender.org/download/
Big Buck Bunny
http://bbb3d.renderfarming.net/download.html
Sintel
http://download.blender.org/durian/movies/
Random:
http://box.houkouonchi.jp/4k/
Random:
http://demo-uhd3d.com/
Other:
http://ultravideo.cs.tut.fi/#testsequences


Also, it appears that Youtube does offer some HQ 4k videos that are high bitrate to get these follow these steps:
1. Get a download plugin (Flashget is what I use)
2) go to Youtube and find a 4K video (example http://youtu.be/eYqIEBpbRhg?list=UUQn7aX0JAIfH0KVL7nqUzjw)
3) for flashget once the video starts playing you will see the "media icon" become available in the top right of firefox
4) Click the icon and look for the "highres" media file.
5) select either the webm or mp4 (I have found that webm while having no audio has the higher bitrates and larger files size when both webm and mp4 "highres" versions are available)
6) You can download the separate audio file as well and then use a program to "mux" the audio and video together.
7) Once complete you should see the file available in your selected download location., you should now be able to play this file as you would any media file. You may need to update your codecs if you are running an out of date pack.

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First owner reports of the new Vizio P Series are starting to come in and this thread has been started to capture them.

Specs of the P Series are summarized below.

It is now clear from the Vizio website that different sizes of the P Series are based on different panel types. Vizio did not make this clear within their specifications until recently (and absolute shame on them for that :-( but the spec on viewing angle was a hint).


55" P Series has been confirmed to have an IPS LCD panel (so poor black level performance when viewing in a dark room).

70" P Series is confirmed to be based on a Sharp VA-type LCD panels (so ~5X better black levels). For dark-room viewing, the early owner's of the 70" P Series express greater satisfaction with the black levels than the one owner of the 55" (though new P55 owners have since emerged that are happy with the P55 for dark-room viewing). The 70" has a reported issue with perfect red calibration but most consider that it is not noticeable unless next to perfectly calibrated TV.

65" P Series is based on a VA-type panel. The 65" P has the same 178°/178° viewing angle as the 55" IPS panel but in the case of the 65" M Series, the panel has that same 178°/178° viewing angle spec but the panel has been confirmed by Vizio to be VA-type. So the 65" P isVA-type like the 65" M (and probably both coming from AUO as has been rumored), but this is more of a wildcard than the 60" and 70" panels at this stage. It is also possible/likely that the 65" AUO panel does not suffer from the same minor red chroma defect as the 60" and 70" panels.

60" P Series has been confirmed as VA type and is another Sharp panel like the 70" panel and it also suffers from the same minor red chroma defect as the 70".

55" P Series has been confirmed to have an IPS LCD panel (so poor black level performance when viewing in a dark room). Calibrated color on this TV is excellent (see posts #2 and #3 below) and it appears to be a winner for bright-room viewing but not the best P Series TV for dark-room viewing. Local dimming improves the black level performance when viewing in a dark room but in this case the viewing angle is severely reduced (which undcuts the primary advantage of IPS panels over VA panels). Anyone looking for a TV for brightroom viewing and needing the widest possible viewing angle that an LCD can provide may want to consider the 55" over all of the other P Series sizes. Anyone not needing the widest possible viewing angle or for whom dark-room viewing is a high priority should probably avoid the 55" in favor of one of the other sizes (which are all VA-based).

50" P Series has the same viewing angle spec to suggest it will be VA-type, but that is an unknown at this stage.

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Here is a recap of primary specs for the P Series TVs


2014 Vizio P Series (common specs)
-V6 Six-core processor: Quad-core GPU + Dual-core CPU
-HD to UHD Upscale Engine
-Spatial Scaling Engine
-Full Array Local Dimming Backlight
-Ultra HD - 3840x2160
-Refresh Rate 120Hz
-Clear Action 960
-Active Pixel Tuning
-Dynamic Contrast Ratio 50 M to 1

P502ui-B1 $1000
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-153w
-38.8lbs


P552ui-B2 $1400
-10 bit IPS-type LCD panel (LG?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-178°/178° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-107.7w
-46lbs

P602ui-B3 $1700
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle (Noticeable color shift beyond 21° according to rtings.com)
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-132.8w
-56lbs

P652ui-B2 $2200
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (AUO?)
-64 Local Dimming Zones
-178°/178° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-307.6w (?)
-57.4lbs


P702ui-B3 $2500
-10 bit VA-type LCD panel (Sharp?)
-72 Local Dimming Zones
-176°/176° viewing angle
-?? ms refresh rate
-?? Nits
-?? ms input lag
-133.1w
-70.55lbs
 
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#7,701 ·
If you still watch SD channels there is not much any TV can do for that. Crap in crap out. There is only so much a TV can do with a poor signal. Going from 47" to 60" is NOT a slight increase. That is a large increase and you are going to notice all of those flaws that you never saw before. You said it all with your Enders Game comment. Source has A LOT to do with what you see. 4k upscaling is not going to turn your SD or a crapy source into a 4k like source. Until you step up into multi thousand dollar dedicated scalers don't expect miracles.


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Well said.. thank you...I wonder if the 55 would look better than the 60?
 
#7,702 ·
Well said.. thank you...I wonder if the 55 would look better than the 60?

I had the P552ui-B2 for three weeks before deciding to return it and get a P60. It was great but incorporates an IPS panel rather than the VA panel that all of the other models have. This gives it substantially lower native contrast than the others, which can be easily perceived when viewing content in a dark room. For lighted room viewing it's excellent. It has an advantage over VA in that it can be viewed from a wider off-axis angle.
 
#7,703 ·
When you follow the calibration settings, make sure you do the white balance. That brought everything together for mine.
For grins, on Youtube there is a 4K video "Costa Rica in 4K 60fps".
apologies for not understanding this, but is this the list you're referring to when you adjust the white balance?


i'm using buzzards dark settings, so what would i use from that list above ??


i'm not even sure if that's what you're referring to, when you talk about the white balance, but i figured id asked to try and find out
 
#7,704 ·
i'm not even sure if that's what you're referring to, when you talk about the white balance, but i figured id asked to try and find out

If that's the white balance table which goes with the calibration numbers that you copied you would use the entire thing.
 
#7,705 · (Edited)
If that's the white balance table which goes with the calibration numbers that you copied you would use the entire thing.
yeah, i'm just confused by that list, because in the menu it only gives me one set of options to switch in the white balance section as you can see in the thumbnail..

i'm pretty happy with the settings i have , but if they can be tweaked a little ill try them..

appreciate the reply tho

o, and please be gentle , cause i'm pretty clueless on this type of stuff:eek: .. i always just try others settings and pick the best one, and then change little things here and there
 

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#7,707 · (Edited)
yeah, i'm just confused by that list, because in the menu it only gives me one set of options to switch in the white balance section as you can see in the thumbnail.

See http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/1689258-official-2014-vizio-p-series-owner-s-thread-77.html#post29243153 (aka post 7632 of this thread).
 
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#7,709 ·
There seems to be a very large number of people using gophers night time settings. So for this that feel it is a little dark for day time viewing try these out as a backup. By starting with the color temperature set to computer you will be able to have two greyscales saved such that you can flip between mine and gophers settings with ease. Below are the values used
Ok I finished my calibration using computer color temperature for the P70. I recommend other to use this for day viewing as it has a gamma value set to 2.2.
Below are my settings I will post my results tomorrow at some point as I will be watching football the rest of the day.
11 point grey scale:
05%: 0, 0, -16
10%: 16, 14, 0
20%: 2, 4, -14
30%: 1, 0, -22
40%: 3, -5,-24
50%: -4, -12, -27
60%: 5, -7, -25
70%: 4, -5, -21
80%: -2, -10, -23
90%: 0, -7, -2
100%: 7, 7, 0

CMS:
Red (0, 13, 7, -2, 6)
Green ( 8, 9, -1, -4, 8)
Blue (-4, 14, 1, 2, -81)
Cyan (1, 29, -7)
Magenta ( 0, 6, 2)
Yellow ( -7, 2, 0)
The odd numbers are due to the eliminating the scoring blue color due to using the computer temperature. Using these settings will open up the normal color temperature to use with the calibrated dark setting for night viewing. Test them out and let me know what you think.

Bravo Sir! I watched the UCLA/USC game with these settings and liked it (as well as the outcome of the game!). :) The only thing I'm noticing on my P70 is that the reds are still looking a bit towards orange vs Googer's calibrated dark settings. Can you advise what to adjust to "true" the reds a bit?
 
#7,712 ·
yeah, i'm just confused by that list, because in the menu it only gives me one set of options to switch in the white balance section as you can see in the thumbnail..

i'm pretty happy with the settings i have , but if they can be tweaked a little ill try them..

appreciate the reply tho

o, and please be gentle , cause i'm pretty clueless on this type of stuff:eek: .. i always just try others settings and pick the best one, and then change little things here and there
You have to set ALL of them... The TV only shows one % level (or line in the table)... so you select 5%, set the 3 values as per the table. Then you go and select the next % (10%), then set the 3 values as per the table for 10%... so on down the table. Each % line in the table is saved independently, you can even go back and cycle through the % and see the 3 values change per %.

The reason they do this is so you can see the screen/image as you edit the values.
 
#7,718 · (Edited)
I just got a 60 inch Samsung F8500 to compare with the 60 inch P series I got a Sams Club. To my eyes, there is no comparison - the F8500 seriers blows the picture quality of the P series out of the water. I wanted to like the P series but just couldnt get the picture to make liking - always appeared dull. I also had problem with a line of glare on the P series (a product of my room) but that doesnt seem present on the F8500 - the glare filter on that set seems to work well.
 
#7,719 ·
I watch Vizio.com, Amazon, and Best Buy. Been 2499. It's 2099 on those sites as if this morning.

Costco is 1999, but there isn't one near me.

Where is "everywhere"? Maybe there's something close to me. I'm ready to pull the trigger.


Sam's club price on the P70 is now $1998. I had previously purchased one there for $2448 (about 3.5 weeks ago). When they dropped the price this past week I was able, after a lot of effort, to get a refund in the form of a gift card, for the difference in the old vs. new prices.
 
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