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Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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This TV has been showing up in the usual places, does anyone have any comments, advise or reviews about it?

Thanks!

Product Specifications



  • Audio
    • Audio Power Output : 10W + 10W
    • Speaker Configuration : 2ch, Full Range x 2
    • Speaker Position : Down Firing
  • Audio Features
    • Alternate Audio (Digital) : Yes
    • Digital Out Format : Dolby Digital, PCM
    • Auto Mute (on no signal) : Yes
    • Sound Mode : Standard; Music; Cinema; Game; Sports
    • Sound Booster : Yes
    • Stereo System : MTS (AUTO SAP)
    • Audio Out : Fixed / Variable
    • Dolby® : MS10 (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Pulse)
    • 5.1 Channel Audio Out : Yes
    • SteadySound® Automatic Volume Control : Yes
  • Convenience Features
    • Picture Adjustments Lock : Yes
    • On/Off Timer : Yes
    • Auto Shut-off : Yes
    • On-Screen Display for External Input : Yes
    • Info Banner : Yes
    • Parental Control : Yes
    • Channel Block (with password) : Analog & Digital
    • BRAVIA® Sync™ : Yes
    • Twin Picture : Extended PIP & PAP
    • USB Play (Contents) : MPEG1 / MPEG2TS / MPEG2PS / MPEG4 Visual / MPEG4AVC / H.264 / WMV / Xvid / MP3 / AAC / HE-AAC / DolbyDigitalAC3 / WMA / Jpeg
    • Scene Select : General; Music; Cinema; Game; Graphics; Sports; Auto
    • Show/Hide Channels : Yes
    • Photo Frame Mode : Yes
    • USB Super Multi-Format Play : Yes
    • Favorites (Simple UI) : Yes
    • Label Inputs : Yes
    • USB Play : Yes (USB viewer supports FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS file systems.)
    • Channel Jump : Yes
    • On-Screen Clock : Yes
    • Edit Channel Labels : Yes
    • Channel Surf : Yes
    • Multiple Language Display : English; Spanish; French
    • Sleep Timer : Yes
    • Input Skip : Yes
  • Design Features
    • Stand Design : Plastic
  • Display
    • Screen Size (measured diagonally) : 60" (60")
    • Refresh Rate : 120Hz
    • Display Resolution : Full HD
    • Viewing Angle (Up/Down) : 88/88 degree
    • Aspect Ratio : 16:9
    • Screen Size (cm) : 152.7 cm
    • Dynamic Contrast Ratio : Over 1 million
    • Viewing Angle (Right/Left) : 88/88 degree
  • Display Features
    • Display Device : LCD
    • Dimming Type : Frame Dimming
  • Energy Saving & Efficiency
    • Power Saving Modes : Yes
    • Energy Star® compliant : Yes, V6
    • Dynamic Backlight Control : Yes
    • Backlight Off Mode : Yes
  • General Features
    • Hotel Mode Menu : Yes
    • Closed Captions (CC) : Analog; Digital
    • Demo Mode : Yes
    • Finish (Surface Color) : Black
    • Start Up Sony Logo Display : Yes
    • Audio Return Channel : Yes
  • Inputs and Outputs
    • Analog Audio Input(s) (Total) : 1 (Rear)
    • Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr) Input(s) : 1 (Rear Hybrid w/ Composite)
    • Audio Out : 1 (Rear)
    • USB 2.0 : 1 (Side)
    • Composite Video Input(s) : 1 (Rear Hybrid w/ Component)
    • AC Power Input : 1 (Rear)
    • HDMI™ Connection(s) (Total) : 3 (2 Rear / 1 Side)
    • Ethernet Connection(s) : 1 (Rear)
    • HDCP : HDCP 1.4
    • MHL : Yes, 2.0
    • RF Connection Input(s) : 1 (Rear)
    • HDMI PC Input Format : 640x480@60Hz; 800x600@60Hz; 1280x768@60Hz-R; 1280x768@60Hz; 1360x768@60Hz; 1024x768@60Hz; 1280x1024@60Hz; 1920x1080@60Hz
    • Digital Audio Output(s) : 1 (Rear)
    • HDMI™ PC Input : Yes
  • Network Features
    • Wi-Fi Standard : b/g/n
    • Wi-Fi Frequency : 2.4GHz
    • TV Tweet : Yes (Opera)
    • DLNA Content : JPG / MP3 / WMA / MPEG1 / MPEG2PS / MPEG2TS / AVCHD / MP4 / WMV
    • Sony Entertainment Network : Yes
    • Wireless LAN : Integrated
    • Opera Apps (System) : Yes
    • Wi-Fi Certified : Yes
    • Internet Browser : Yes (Opera)
  • Power
    • Power Requirements (frequency) : 60Hz for UL cUL 50/60Hz for other
    • Power Requirements (voltage) : AC120V for UL cUL AC110-240V for other
  • Regulation and Standards Compliance
    • VESA® Hole Spacing Compatible : Yes
  • Service and Warranty Information
    • Limited Warranty Term : 12 months
  • TV System
    • TV System (Analog) : M
    • Number of Tuners (Terrestrial/Cable) : 1 (Digital / Analog)
    • Channel Coverage (Analog) : VHF: 2-13 / UHF: 14-69 / CATV: 1-135
    • Channel Coverage (Digital Terrestrial) : VHF: 2-13 / UHF: 14-69
    • TV System (Digital Terrestrial) : ATSC
    • TV System (Digital Cable) : Clear QAM
    • Channel Coverage (Digital Cable) : CATV: 1-135
    • Color System : NTSC
  • Video
    • Video Signal : 1080/24p (HDMI™ only); 1080/60i; 1080/60p (HDMI™ / Component); 480/60i; 480/60p; 720/60p; 1080/30p (HDMI™ only); 720/30p (HDMI™ only); 720/24p (HDMI™ only)
  • Video Features
    • 3D Comb Filter : Yes
    • MPEG Noise Reduction : Yes
    • Blinking Type : Frame Blinking
    • Wide Mode : Full; Normal; Wide Zoom; Zoom; Normal / Full1 / Full2 for PC timing
    • 4:3 Default : Yes
    • Digital Noise Reduction : Yes
    • Picture Mode : Vivid; Standard; Custom; Cinema; Graphics
    • 24p True Cinema™ Technology : Yes
    • Auto Wide : Yes
    • CineMotion® Reverse 3:2 Pulldown Technology : Yes
    • Live Color™ Technology : Yes
    • Advanced Contrast Enhancer (ACE) : Yes
    • Motionflow™ Technology : Motionflow XR 240
    • LED Motion Mode : Yes
    • Clear Resolution Enhancer : Yes
  • Weights and Measurements
    • Packaging (Approx.) : Carton dimensions: 62 5/8 x 34 5/8 x 6 7/8 in (1590 x 878 x 172 mm) Carton weight: 57.3 lbs (26.0 kg)

Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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Nobody?
Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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Could it be related to model KDL-60R520A? First available March 28, 2013

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-60R52...=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
wtxgringo's Avatar wtxgringo
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Was watching this tv on the Sony eBay store: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-60-DIAG...item5411d9b6d3

Has fewer features than the 630b & that was my ultimate choice.
jharel's Avatar jharel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alegre View Post
Could it be related to model KDL-60R520A? First available March 28, 2013
Maybe it's a feature-cut model of the same thing?

I just ordered the TV today. Have you had any problems with it? If there's something obviously wrong I could still cancel the order.

One thing I don't know about is how to calibrate its settings. Can anyone help? I don't know if it's using the same panel as 520A.
Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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I don't own the tv, I'm still trying to find out more about it before I buy. Please come back and tell us what you think!
jharel's Avatar jharel
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Originally Posted by Alegre View Post
I don't own the tv, I'm still trying to find out more about it before I buy. Please come back and tell us what you think!
...The most info you're likely to find on this TV at this stage, since we don't have anything here, is probably here: http://slickdeals.net/f/7332226-60-sony-kdl60r510a-1080p-120hz-smart-led-hdtv-798-free-shipping (Yes, I know a thread like that is jammed with useless comments)

Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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Goes on sale tomorrow for $648!! This is very tempting, wish there was more info out there about this model.
Pheran's Avatar Pheran
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I'm looking at this deal too, but as Alegre says, there's not a whole lot of info out there.
CEWT2212
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There's a few reviews on best buy and the sony site and some here as well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B00O2Z5W6G/ref=mw_dp_cr

So far, if you're not an extreme tech snob such as my brother who won't buy anything less than the best of the best...I feel like it's practically a steal and probably one of best deals you'll see for this Black Friday season. It's name brand and 60 inch for less than $700..I bit and the deal on best buy ends tomorrow it says, But walmart and amazon may last longer.
CEWT2212
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Best deals as far as not getting stomped on trying to go out on thanksgiving/black friday lol.
Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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Looks like a lot of people are picking this up.....hopefully this thread will get some of those peeps to come and share their experiences with this unit.
CEWT2212
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Mine is being delivered on Wednesday, so I'll definitely come back and post about it and get my brother to check it out so he can give an even more in depth review.
Apocballer
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I ordered one as well, scheduled delivery for Tuesday. However, I'm new to the TV calibration game and what exactly to look for. I also just picked up two new computer monitors, does anyone have any recommendations for calibrators that I can rent?
Fzero169
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You're all welcome for getting amazon to drop the price. Just so everyone is aware the TV is actually only 60hz, not 120.
Alegre's Avatar Alegre
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You're all welcome for getting amazon to drop the price. Just so everyone is aware the TV is actually only 60hz, not 120.
Spoke to Sony Rep at Best Buy, he said the TV is 120Hz. The way the rep explained it to me was something like this SD members explains it.

Quote:
Quote from wizziwig :
This 60 vs 120 Hz debate needs to end.

If you look at the user manual linked on Sony's web site for this TV, you will see that it offers motion interpolation modes in the menus. You can't interpolate motion on a TV that runs at 60hz because there is no where to put the extra interpolated frames. Every second you get 60 original frames and 60 interpolated frames that need to be displayed by the panel. 60 + 60 = 120.

So any set that offers motion interpolation of any kind, by definition is a 120+ Hz panel. The native 240Hz panels allow even more interpolated frames to be inserted. On this model, they insert 1 interpolated frame and then flash the LED backlight between each of the 120 frames to generate the 240Hz claimed in the specs.

Luckily, the LED backlight flashing has a separate control in the menus, so you could enable it alone if you hate the soap-opera-effect of motion interpolation but can live with a slight flicker.
Even Amazon has change the description from 60hz to 120hz.
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Spoke to Sony Rep at Best Buy, he said the TV is 120Hz. The way the rep explained it to me was something like this SD members explains it.

Even Amazon has change the description from 60hz to 120hz.
Best Buy and B&H Photo have it at 120Hz also . It makes sense what the Dony rep said in fact all the panels are natively 60Hz anyway but can be operated in different modes more:


I believe it goes something like this I'm prepared to be corrected if something is off .

120HZ panel is 60Hz panel (like all LCD) in US using orig frame + one repeat frame per sec. to arrive at a true 120Hz refresh rate and *may not always in itself reduce motion blur over a 60Hz panel (depending) on processing speed and panel sample and hold rates both can *sometimes be more determinative of motion blur up to a point .

OTOH a set with true 120HZ refresh rate vs a true 60Hz refresh rate will usually have faster processor that *may reduce motion blur but also it *may increase input lag on gaming it can go either way YMMV.


True LCD refresh rates:

60HZ panel = no frame repeat 120Hz panel = orig frame + 1 frame repeat or interpolation . OTOH a True 240 Hz panel = original frame +3 frame repeat or interpolation .


Sony W600B Motion Flow XR 240 = 1 dynamic frame interpolation and optional back light blinking to equal or emulate 240Hz but the true refresh rate remains at 120Hz

W800B XR480 Motion Flow XR 480 = up to 3 dynamic frame interpolations and optional back light strobing to emulate Sony XR480 but true refresh rate is still 120Hz . Other brand sets use frame repeat + black frame interpolation + back light manipulation .

read more : http://www.rtings.com/info/what-is-the-refresh-rate

http://www.rtings.com/info/fake-refr...s-lg-trumotion

http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-refresh-rate/
CEWT2212
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I was just about to explain what you just did, lol. But let us know when you get yours on Tuesday! I'm super anxious and can't wait.
BarnDogUSN
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I'm picking one up in the morning when they open... I will definitely be following this thread, hopefully someone with more expertise than me can eventually help with proper calibration.
CEWT2212
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I have two screen shots from people who found great settings for them, but idk how to add pictures?
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I'm thinking i'm gonna pick up on this deal while it lasts today as well. I'd be interested to hear if there's any problems with input lag from PS or Xbox systems.

*Edit
It looks like in a comment on one of the reviews on Amazon, someone noted that it may not be mountable.. I have a hard time believing that any TV over 40" isn't setup to be mountable in some way.

**ReEdit
After looking around some more it looks like it can be mounted. Per a Sony Rep. "This model can be mounted on the wall and wall-mount hole pattern is 400mm x300mm."
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looking for settings for this tv, just got it for 583 from bb after the 10% movers coupon.
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Where did you get that coupon?

*Edit
Never mind. I sat on my butt too long. All the Best Buys in my area are sold out.
dunng
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I picked up this TV from Best Buy with the 10% off. So far I like it, but would appreciate any help with the settings... Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Thanks!
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Mine doesn't get delivered until late next week, can anyone who has it comment on the smart features? Pandora? Etc?
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I purchased this TV earlier today from BB for $648. The picture/color is very nice. The only issue so far is the slight blur you get when people/things move quickly. I have messed with the motion flow settings and a few other things but (even though it's slight) it's still noticeable. I read somewhere else (can't remember where) that certain aspects will "break in" and get better after awhile. Definitely not bad for under $700. I am still looking around for other settings or anything else that can help.
dunng
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Here are the settings that I am currently using... The wife has approved these but I am still tweaking.

Picture Mode - Standard
Backlight - Max
Picture - Max
Brightness - 48
Color - 52
Hue - 0
Sharpness - 20
Color Temperature - Neutral
Noise Reduction - Medium
MPEG Noise Reduction - Medium
Motionflow - Off
CineMotion - Off

Adv Contrast Enhancer - Low
Black Corrector - Low
Gamma - 0
Clear White - Off
Live Color - Low
LED Motion Mode - Off

Scene Select - Sports
zoma345
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Here are the settings that I am currently using... The wife has approved these but I am still tweaking.

Picture Mode - Standard
Backlight - Max
Picture - Max
Brightness - 48
Color - 52
Hue - 0
Sharpness - 20
Color Temperature - Neutral
Noise Reduction - Medium
MPEG Noise Reduction - Medium
Motionflow - Off
CineMotion - Off

Adv Contrast Enhancer - Low
Black Corrector - Low
Gamma - 0
Clear White - Off
Live Color - Low
LED Motion Mode - Off

Scene Select - Sports





Thanks, I will try those settings.


Also, here is a half-decent review I found for the TV. It mentions the blur and gives decent spec info.


I tried to post the link but it will not let me until I post 5 times.
zoma345
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cheap3dtvreviews.com/reviews/sony-kdl60r510a-review-cheap-60-inch-smart-led-tv-under-800/
CEWT2212
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Does ANYONE who has received their tv have any idea how well it handles video games??? Input lag? Or at least if it's good for video games. I bought it partially for that reason and I'm hearing mixed reviews on it playing video games, but I don't trust the random reviews I'd like to hear it from somebody here. So please, anybody?

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