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JVC DM85UXR UHDTV Preview



Mark Henninger looks at an aggressively priced 85" FALD-LCD from Amtran, sold under the JVC brand name. Is it a contender in the sub-$10,000 85-inch UHD/4K TV category?

Were it not for the JVC brand's cachet, I would not have made the trip to New York to see Amtran's latest UHDTV, an $8000 85-incher featuring a 120 Hz VA FALD-LCD (vertically aligned full-array local-dimming LCD) panel. Amtran used to be a major supplier for Vizio, but not any more. Now, the company licenses the JVC brand name in order to compete in the UHDTV market. It is worth noting that there is no engineering connection between the JVC that builds projectors and Amtran's JVC-branded TVs. The 85UXR is the company's flagship product, offering significant bang for the buck in the 85-inch UHD/4K segment of the market. But is the 85UXR worth getting excited about?


The JVC demo took place at the Grand Hyatt in NYC.

The new JVC comes with a FALD panel featuring 64 local-dimming zones. It's equipped with four HDMI 2.0 ports (10.2 Gbps) that support HDCP 2.2, as well as one HDMI 1.4 port with MHL capability that's dedicated for use with an included Roku stick. The remote even has a Roku button on it, and it controls the Roku directly. Also on the remote is a handy keyboard that makes searching for titles and filling out passwords a breeze. The TV currently has no native apps, relying on the upgradeable Roku stick for a "smart" experience.

My interest in TVs aligns with the enthusiasts on AVS Forum—I generally pay more attention to raw video performance than bells and whistles. $8000 is an aggressive price for a 85-inch FALD TV, as long as it performs well. During my visit, I had an opportunity to watch several scenes from Batman: The Dark Knight Rises. Unlike some demos I've attended in the past, the rep was perfectly happy to adjust the TV's settings. I had him switch from "normal" to "movie" mode, which notably improved color balance and contrast. In a darkened room, the letterbox bars stayed black, and the local dimming never distracted me.

Overall, I thought the picture looked good, as long as I viewed it head on. The optimum viewing angle was somewhat narrow, which is typical for TVs that use VA panels. The good news is that when viewed directly, the blacks were very deep, while halo/blooming artifacts were difficult or impossible to spot. Unsurprisingly, moving off axis significantly degraded both color saturation and contrast. The screen itself has a satin anti-glare coating that effectively suppressed room reflections without detracting from the picture.


In this image, you can see exposed lights reflected in the screen. Overall, the 85UXR did a good job of suppressing room reflections.

The 85UXR provides a 10-point color calibration, and Amtran claimed it could deliver some of the best color accuracy available. Unfortunately, it does not offer the ability to tweak its five gamma presets. Overall, choosing the right settings (movie mode, mid-dark gamma) provided a pleasing—and seemingly quite accurate—picture.

Audio was another story; during the demo, the rep touted the superior sound quality of the TV—a dubious assertion considering that the 85UXR uses rear-firing and down-firing speakers. The press release claimed it "offers a level of acoustic modeling and digital signal processing previously heard only with elaborate outboard speaker arrays." It's an unjustified claim; audio performance was not terrible, but even a basic soundbar would offer an audible improvement.

Upscaled 1080p content looked good; it was sharp without looking over processed. Native 4K content (100 Mbps H.264) looked great from my seat, which was about eight feet away from the screen. For what it's worth, the 1080p Blu-ray content looked nearly as good as the native 4K demo loop. In addition, 3D fans should take note that the 85UXR does not offer that feature.

Later in the demo, I checked out the TV's motion-interpolation modes, which offer three different settings. When I first saw the 85UXR, the mode was set to medium, and I noticed some degree of soap-opera effect. With interpolation turned off, Blu-ray content played properly, without much visible judder. The TV looked its best with interpolation set to low—motion was natural, pans were smooth, and you could see the improved motion resolution. It's nice to have a motion-processing option that isn't heavy handed yet offers a resolution-improving benefit; the 85UXR delivered on that front.

The TV itself does not have the ultra-slim profile of an edgelit LED-LCD. On the other hand, it felt very sturdy—and it's flat rather than curved (a plus in my book). The frame is made of metal, and it even has a pair of built-in handles that make it easy for two people to lift. According to Amtram, the design of the packaging makes it easy to install the TV's base while it is in the box.

From what I saw, the 85UXR is a competent big screen TV with plenty of inputs, sturdy build quality, and a good-looking picture. Its 64-zone FALD local dimming works well, which is key to getting the most out of an LCD-based TV. At 85 inches, it's large enough to take advantage of UHD/4K content when viewed from a normal distance.

I currently have no plans to review the latest, greatest TV from Amtran/JVC. However, if there were enough interest, I'd consider submitting a request for one, so I can put it through its paces. Please let me know if you think I should take a closer look at the JVC DM85UXR.


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Nice price point for such a large set with FALD.
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Nice price point for such a large set with FALD.
I will agree, but the set has viewing angle problems. That could be a major problem.
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Man that is a big TV! I would start leaning toward a projector before considering hauling that thing around.

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Man that is a big TV! I would start leaning toward a projector before considering hauling that thing around.
I believe it comes with a back-pack for easy transport.

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Shame about no 3D ( + )
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is 64 zones really enough?

i don't have any first hand experience with a FALD led, but just guessing that's probably still a big zone

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Shame about no 3D ( + )
Agreed. I'll be buying 75" or larger once more UHD content is available but no 3d means it is out of consideration. (though I am really still crossing my fingers for glasses-free UHD 3d)
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It's nice to see more Fald sets enter the fray. With 4k becoming defacto on new displays and with the extinction of plasma and oled being currently so expensive this hopefully will urge the bigger manufacturers to bring out more big screen Fald led displays. More zones please!!!
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is 64 zones really enough?

Vizio seems to think so with the P series




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Vizio seems to think so with the P series




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Vizio has 64 zones on a 65" 4K. This 85" has a whole lot more area to cover with those 64 zones.
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Man that is a big TV! I would start leaning toward a projector before considering hauling that thing around.
I agree, beyond about 75" (at least in my theater room) the speakers really need to go behind the screen, which means projection.

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I currently have no plans to review the latest, greatest TV from Amtran/JVC. However, if there were enough interest, I'd consider submitting a request for one, so I can put it through its paces. Please let me know if you think I should take a closer look at the JVC DMUX85R.
Mark, this seems to be a competitively priced set for the size and the claim of excellent color accuracy seemed to hold up to initial scrutiny. Why wouldn't you request a review: does anything disqualify this set from consideration entirely?

In fact, I'm curious if it stands up to the JVC brand reputation or not.

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Vizio has 64 zones on a 65" 4K. This 85" has a whole lot more area to cover with those 64 zones.

interesting


IMO....the 64 zones on the Vizio seem inadequate when looking at TV's like the Sony HX950 and Sharp Elite




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Agreed. I'll be buying 75" or larger once more UHD content is available but no 3d means it is out of consideration. (though I am really still crossing my fingers for glasses-free UHD 3d)

Glasses free 3D in this size ? LOL, keep dreaming.


Seriously though, it's fantastic to see FALD out there alive and well. If Samsung whacked out an 84"+ FALD I'd be there in a heartbeat, I love my 75" ES9000 but edge-lit only ever gets you so far.. we all know that.


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drummernrg can you reply without duplicating the whole article?


Imagic I only found search results with DM85UXR but no with DMUX85R.
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Imagic I only found search results with DM85UXR but no with DMUX85R.
I'm mildly dyslexic. I triple-checked it, and got it wrong. Thank you.

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Mark, this seems to be a competitively priced set for the size and the claim of excellent color accuracy seemed to hold up to initial scrutiny. Why wouldn't you request a review: does anything disqualify this set from consideration entirely?

In fact, I'm curious if it stands up to the JVC brand reputation or not.

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I'm considering it. An 85-inch, 170 lb TV is not exactly an easy thing for me to deal with, which is why I wanted to see if there's significant interest in a review. As long as this thread winds up being reasonably popular, I'll go through with it. Right now you are the only person to specifically ask for a review, and I can't gauge where this thread is going until the weekend is over.
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8000 for a 85in with bad viewing angles? One could spend that much on an amazing JVC PJ and a nice 120in screen.

Still nice to see JVC making large TVs and I would take a 120in OLED today lol.

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Agreed. I'll be buying 75" or larger once more UHD content is available but no 3d means it is out of consideration. (though I am really still crossing my fingers for glasses-free UHD 3d)
Me too. Maybe Mark Henninger can tell us when that company in Philadelphia he visited that is doing glasses free 3D might have a product on the market.
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Me too. Maybe Mark Henninger can tell us when that company in Philadelphia he visited that is doing glasses free 3D might have a product on the market.
I wish I could. When CES rolls around it should be clearer. It's not far away, the whole system runs on a chip now, which I saw in person. That was the crucial last step for the system to be viable.

An 85-incher should be no problem at all. The optical layers used for glasses-free 3D work with any size screen.

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But isn't the Samsung 85" UHDTV model in the UH8550 line going for the same price or less these days ?

Unless JVC/Amtran start selling these models heavily discounted by time of release i don't see may US buyers getting too excited about them and willing to put down the cash, when they can get similar or better performance from Samsung for less money and from a company considered leader in LCD panel fabrication.

BTW, imagic, do you know or could you confirm whether or not the 85" UHDTV Samsung i mentioned above is the only model in the entire UH8550 line that uses FALD whereas all others use edge-lit LEDs, as some people have posted on the Samsung UH8550 thread ? Thanks...
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But isn't the Samsung 85" UHDTV model in the UH8550 line going for the same price or less these days ?

Unless JVC/Amtran start selling these models heavily discounted by time of release i don't see may US buyers getting too excited about them and willing to put down the cash, when they can get similar or better performance from Samsung for less money and from a company considered leader in LCD panel fabrication.

BTW, imagic, do you know or could you confirm whether or not the 85" UHDTV Samsung i mentioned above is the only model in the entire UH8550 line that uses FALD whereas all others use edge-lit LEDs, as some people have posted on the Samsung UH8550 thread ? Thanks...
The 85" 8550 is the only one in that line with a backlit array. It only has eight zones, so that's one area the JVC is actually ahead of it.
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$8k for this 85" UHDTV, the Vizio P series 70" has been "seen" for $2k, $6k more ....
***Official 2014 Vizio P Series Owner's Thread

Makes me curious the 120" Vizio R series price point.....$15k? 20k? $40k?

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An 85" Vizio P model would be at most 5 grand imo.
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8000 for a 85in with bad viewing angles? One could spend that much on an amazing JVC PJ and a nice 120in screen.

Still nice to see JVC making large TVs and I would take a 120in OLED today lol.
Personally I'd have to agree, I do not have close to 10K to plunk down on a TV to begin with I guess, so I'd go a projector.
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An 85" Vizio P model would be at most 5 grand imo.
JVC's price for a 65" FALD is lower than Vizios, I doubt Vizio's price on an 85-incher would differ that much given that Amtran built Vizio TVs for a long time, and still makes a few.

That said, $5 grand for an 85" UHDTV is the next big price barrier that we'll probably see broken in 2015—not sure by who, but it seems inevitable.

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I'd pass on the review...you let us know all we need, good picture, 85 inches, $8500.

I'm sticking w/ JVC 4910 at 106" until all this gets sorted out (and maybe even after that). With pjs getting brighter and able to run in dimly lit environment for bright content...its really making these jumbo TVs a harder sell to all of those who are even aware of their existence.
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