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4K is about to takeover TV

Even the Plasmas guys @ CNET are admitting so ...and they way they are gonna do it - they being manufactures is put the best "stuff " in the 4K set ..so even if you don't want 4K or aren't happy the content yet 0 if you're gonna plunk down 1600- 3K on a TV you better / should/ buy the best TV available ....and those are going to be 4k's ...

Don't believe? ... DirecTV just shot a 4K satellite into space for 4K as have others ...

Read ...
http://readwrite.com/2014/12/24/4k-u...aign=ReadWrite
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Things move real slow in reality ... News from a little less than 3 yrs ago ...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...-hdtv-signals/

From the time a company makes an announcement > to actual production ... Is a LONG time.
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that's how they got me to buy 3D and smart features...


all I want is the best display possible. I wouldn't even have a tuner or speakers in my 'tv' if I didn't have to.


nothing against UHD, I just wish they focus more on the possibility of HFR, HDR, or a wider color gamut instead of more pixels. the next projector I buy will likely be UHD, but as far as TV's go, I don't think it'll ever be a consideration. if it's UHD or 1080p doesn't matter, whichever one has the best blacks, contrast, and color reproduction will be the one I buy.

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that's how they got me to buy 3D and smart features...


all I want is the best display possible. I wouldn't even have a tuner or speakers in my 'tv' if I didn't have to.


nothing against UHD, I just wish they focus more on the possibility of HFR, HDR, or a wider color gamut instead of more pixels. the next projector I buy will likely be UHD, but as far as TV's go, I don't think it'll ever be a consideration. if it's UHD or 1080p doesn't matter, whichever one has the best blacks, contrast, and color reproduction will be the one I buy.
Yes, contrast, black levels, motion handling, and overall Presentation are the keys here. It seems as if they are going out of their way to ensure I can connect to facebook or Twitter with my new TV but still haven't sorted out backlight uniformity, edge bleed, or grayish black levels yet unless you spend $5,000 or more.

I like the XBR 65" Sony except for the totally mediocre blacks and a little flashlighting. Meh.
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Things move real slow in reality ... News from a little less than 3 yrs ago ...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...-hdtv-signals/

From the time a company makes an announcement > to actual production ... Is a LONG time.


I agree with you.

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that's how they got me to buy 3D and smart features...


all I want is the best display possible. I wouldn't even have a tuner or speakers in my 'tv' if I didn't have to.


nothing against UHD, I just wish they focus more on the possibility of HFR, HDR, or a wider color gamut instead of more pixels. the next projector I buy will likely be UHD, but as far as TV's go, I don't think it'll ever be a consideration. if it's UHD or 1080p doesn't matter, whichever one has the best blacks, contrast, and color reproduction will be the one I buy.
I agree, UHD has a ways to go. I see it being 1-2 years or longer before we see it settled in.

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I agree, UHD has a ways to go. I see it being 1-2 years or longer before we see it settled in.

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And then it will be passe because there will probably be a newer flavor of the month to entice the masses, or the hardware will have finally caught up to the technology making a 4k purchase this year and possibly next year a decision made too soon.
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And then it will be passe because there will probably be a newer flavor of the month to entice the masses, or the hardware will have finally caught up to the technology making a 4k purchase this year and possibly next year a decision made too soon.
Agreed, and that is what I have been afraid of all along. The current Crop of sets may or may not be fully capable of the full specs either when that time comes.

2015 Models will make things allot ,ore clear hopefully.

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And then it will be passe because there will probably be a newer flavor of the month to entice the masses, or the hardware will have finally caught up to the technology making a 4k purchase this year and possibly next year a decision made too soon.

Too soon for who? Obviously you; but you and I don't count on these individual decisions/purchases. It's the buyer's money and subjective opinion of what they want. I've never bought a display that would not have been more capable if I waited a couple years. But, with the exception of a Sony XBR1 (SXRD) lemon, I've never regretted a purchase.


The current hardware is caught up with the current technology. Netflix original programming is being "filmed" in 4k. Just finished 10 episodes of Marco Polo (which I enjoyed) and House of Cards (season 3) will be released next month. When I was buying a new display, a year ago, I decided to buy the Samsung F9000 (currently with the 2014 UHD kit). Do I wish I had bought a 1080P set instead? Hell no, and my wife's and my votes are the only ones that count!
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That is good to hear you are happy with and think your money was well spent. That is all that matter in the end.

But with just a very few shows to watch in real 4K the difference in price of a top notch 1080P unit and a 4K unit figures in allot to most.

People can spend 800.00 or more to get a 4K or save that money and enjoy the content that is readily available now.

Not to mention, they want need to purchase a Evolution kit for several more hundred dollars each year to attempt to keep up.

I am also afraid that all these 8bit panels people will be a little disappointed in the future.

Not to mention but a majority of households do not have the bandwidth to handle 4K over the net with Netflix.

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Too soon for who? Obviously you; but you and I don't count on these individual decisions/purchases. It's the buyer's money and subjective opinion of what they want. I've never bought a display that would not have been more capable if I waited a couple years. But, with the exception of a Sony XBR1 (SXRD) lemon, I've never regretted a purchase.


The current hardware is caught up with the current technology. Netflix original programming is being "filmed" in 4k. Just finished 10 episodes of Marco Polo (which I enjoyed) and House of Cards (season 3) will be released next month. When I was buying a new display, a year ago, I decided to buy the Samsung F9000 (currently with the 2014 UHD kit). Do I wish I had bought a 1080P set instead? Hell no, and my wife's and my votes are the only ones that count!
normally I'd agree when it comes to electronics. there's always something better right around the corner.


BUT, there's been several examples showing that this is often not the case with TV's. there's this 'race to the bottom' going on, which means things aren't getting better every year, they are just getting cheaper. you'd be hard pressed to buy a tv on the market this year or next year that would be a 'better' picture than the pioneer kuros, sharp elite, Panasonic vt60, etc...


imo, the most exciting part of 'UHD' is the possibility of higher frame rates, more dynamic range, and a wider color gamut. I'm more interested in making the pixels BETTER, rather than just having more of them. so far, I'm not sure the UHD displays are ready to take advantage of these things. I'm not sure if they have rec2020 color, and I'm almost positive none of them have HDR or HFR capabilities.


UHD right now is more than just the usual risk of obsolescence. it's like you're buying a tech to be future proof, except that it's not future proof at all. I would never buy a product where I'm paying a premium for a 'new' technology that doesn't have a defined standard yet. at least now most of the good UHD displays have hdmi 2.0. when they first started shipping that was the weirdest thing to me. who buys a '4k tv' that can't accept a '4k' source?


if you've got some 4k sources, or otherwise prefer an upconverted 4k image with today's sources that's one thing. go nuts. I just fine for my personal interest, I want a UHD display that supports ALL the things UHD has to offer. and until we know exactly what those are, these transition sets are no more future proof than 1080p TV's.
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Too soon for who? Obviously you; but you and I don't count on these individual decisions/purchases. It's the buyer's money and subjective opinion of what they want. I've never bought a display that would not have been more capable if I waited a couple years. But, with the exception of a Sony XBR1 (SXRD) lemon, I've never regretted a purchase.
No reason to take it personal. I agree, it's not our decision or our money and only the purchaser has to decide if it's worth the investment now or later.

The F9000 is a great tv, even with the $300+ extra attachment (OneConnect box) but I don't want to have to keep paying extra every time the technology settles down and changes. Some people do. Again, that's their decision and their decision only. Fully compliant HDMI 2.0 (with HDCP 2.2) chipsets are just becoming available. I'd rather wait till most of the protocols are decided upon before upgrading my tv (and receiver and blu-ray player). 4k/UHD (what ever you want to call it) looks great but the potential is still under-realized.
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