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So the wife and I went back to Best Buy to talk to our salesman (happens to be the manager of their Magnolia dept too for whatever help that might be). He was shocked at the amount of bleed we had too after showing him photos on the phone. He immediately called his Sony rep then and there (about 9 pm last night) and said he'd get back to us today with a solution.

While we were there, we also checked out the 75 inch version...absolutely ZERO bleed. And a very similar construction to ours, with the same thin panel. So Sony is able to get it right...they just haven't yet on the 65" it seems...
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If you want to disable some of the bloat and get it closer to stock android. Go into apps and find the one called "sony shelf" Force close it and turn off notifications. This will disable the featured apps section on the home page which I find the most annoying. Then from there you can disable any of the other sony specific apps if you chose to. I find this also frees up some ram and My tv has been running better ever since.
Would this cause any issues with the TV to crash or have any hiccups?
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So the wife and I went back to Best Buy to talk to our salesman (happens to be the manager of their Magnolia dept too for whatever help that might be). He was shocked at the amount of bleed we had too after showing him photos on the phone. He immediately called his Sony rep then and there (about 9 pm last night) and said he'd get back to us today with a solution.

While we were there, we also checked out the 75 inch version...absolutely ZERO bleed. And a very similar construction to ours, with the same thin panel. So Sony is able to get it right...they just haven't yet on the 65" it seems...
Let us know what happens. Evey time I go in and ask bb employees about it they say they know about the issue that that its been fixed by the second gen of these sets and that I should bring mine back in (for a third time) to have it replace (again). But as we know its not fixed on the 55" and 65".
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Would this cause any issues with the TV to crash or have any hiccups?
I guess depends on what apps you disable and remember you can always just re-enable them if you have to. If you just disable the annoying "featured apps" section that sony put in there it wont do any damage. Mine actually runs better now. Its just basically like a android phone. If it comes with a bunch of pre-installed apps that you will never use, disable them. This will keep them from running in the background and free up resources.
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I guess depends on what apps you disable and remember you can always just re-enable them if you have to. If you just disable the annoying "featured apps" section that sony put in there it wont do any damage. Mine actually runs better now.
Thanks, I'll try disabling feature apps.
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Let us know what happens. Evey time I go in and ask bb employees about it they say they know about the issue that that its been fixed by the second gen of these sets and that I should bring mine back in (for a third time) to have it replace (again). But as we know its not fixed on the 55" and 65".
Will do. The 75 screen looked absolutely perfect. I mean p-e-r-f-e-c-t! Our guy said it was the later "mastered" panel. And that he was told that Sony had done the same to their 65's as well. But obviously not so. It's good to have a guy on your side. We'll see what Sony does with the ball. Their move now...
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Didn't know that, I thought all three were same spec, backlit, are you sure about that?
Confirm that the 55" is edge lit. That differing spec was brought up early in the various 850C threads.

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Will do. The 75 screen looked absolutely perfect. I mean p-e-r-f-e-c-t! Our guy said it was the later "mastered" panel. And that he was told that Sony had done the same to their 65's as well. But obviously not so. It's good to have a guy on your side. We'll see what Sony does with the ball. Their move now...
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What is a "mastered" panel?
As best I can tell it's Sony/techno-babble that means "fixed".

There was absolutely ZERO bleeding on the larger 75" panel. But it was also more than twice the cost we paid for the 65. For 5K, we'd go with OLED instead. For now, our ideal scenario is to enjoy the 4K on this TV for the next two or three years till the cost comes down, and the motion blur quality goes up on the OLED panels. Then we'll move on to that.

Hopefully anyway...
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Would this cause any issues with the TV to crash or have any hiccups?
You will lose the Amazon app...
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Thanks, I usually use my PS4 or XB1 to stream content. Would using the Amazon App. through the TV have better HD results? Thanks.
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Thanks, I usually use my PS4 or XB1 to stream content. Would using the Amazon App. through the TV have better HD results? Thanks.
The TV Amazon app supports 4K and HDR.

The TV does not have a fan and I find it more economical (less power consumption)
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The TV Amazon app supports 4K and HDR.

The TV does not have a fan and I find it more economical (less power consumption)
Makes sense. Thanks. I'll see if I can get the app without having the "feature menu".
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Makes sense. Thanks. I'll see if I can get the app without having the "feature menu".
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Difference Between 75x910c vs 75x850c

Does anyone know the technical differences between the 75" 850c and 910c models? The 75x850c is on sale in BB for $3500, whereas the 910c is $5000. Why the big price difference? Is it just because the 910C has a thinner frame and smaller bezel?

I know the 75" 850C is direct lit and the 910c is edge lit. Is there a difference in sharpness or contrast between the two? And I have a feeling HDR will look better on the backlit 850c compared to the 910c, but the 910c is supposed to be the better model right? Anyone know? Because if these two TVs are nearly identical just in terms of picture quality, I might as well go for the 850c and save up for a future OLED upgrade.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I'll look into it.
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Does anyone know the technical differences between the 75" 850c and 910c models? The 75x850c is on sale in BB for $3500, whereas the 910c is $5000. Why the big price difference? Is it just because the 910C has a thinner frame and smaller bezel?

I know the 75" 850C is direct lit and the 910c is edge lit. Is there a difference in sharpness or contrast between the two? And I have a feeling HDR will look better on the backlit 850c compared to the 910c, but the 910c is supposed to be the better model right? Anyone know? Because if these two TVs are nearly identical just in terms of picture quality, I might as well go for the 850c and save up for a future OLED upgrade.
I can't speak to the merits of the 850 per se, but in looking at the 910 in person, it is one impressive display. The panel we saw two nights ago has ZERO edge bleed (unlike our poor plagued 65" 900C). I believe the up-scaling processor might be different between the two units, with the 910c being the more adept of the two, but can't confirm definitively. If you have a chance to view the two units more or less side by side, that may be the best way to assist your choice.

I'm with you in wanting to just find a nice set to get us by till OLED is cheaper and more consistent with motion blur.
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Does anyone know the technical differences between the 75" 850c and 910c models? The 75x850c is on sale in BB for $3500, whereas the 910c is $5000. Why the big price difference? Is it just because the 910C has a thinner frame and smaller bezel?

I know the 75" 850C is direct lit and the 910c is edge lit. Is there a difference in sharpness or contrast between the two? And I have a feeling HDR will look better on the backlit 850c compared to the 910c, but the 910c is supposed to be the better model right? Anyone know? Because if these two TVs are nearly identical just in terms of picture quality, I might as well go for the 850c and save up for a future OLED upgrade.
Not exactly the same models you are looking an answer for but I been using the 55x850c and 55x900c for the last couple of weeks. In honestly the two TVs are extremely similar, With the 55x900c the screen is IPS and the 55x850c the screen is VA so the x850c has more limited viewing angles but better contrast while my 55x900c has better colors but with horrible backlight bleed and blacks aren't as nice.

I'm actually torn between the two. Love the X900c more for the color but the backlight bleed is pretty noticeable when I watch TV at night in my room!
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So I finally got into a local brick and mortar this weekend where a 49" 830C was on display. It wasn't displaying any native 4K content. It was showing 720p Dish or Direct of an NFL game. I really don't see what all the negative fuss is about with this model. Rtings was especially rough on it. Sure, it's not a high-end HDR/WCG enabled panel, but I just didn't see all the glaring issues Rtings pointed out. Maybe I would need to see it a proper lighting environment after a calibration disc...still, just not sure why they were so hard on this particular model. The largest panel I have space for is about 50", so I'd snag the 49" 830C in a heartbeat if the funds aligned with the stars.
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So I finally got into a local brick and mortar this weekend where a 49" 830C was on display. It wasn't displaying any native 4K content. It was showing 720p Dish or Direct of an NFL game. I really don't see what all the negative fuss is about with this model. Rtings was especially rough on it. Sure, it's not a high-end HDR/WCG enabled panel, but I just didn't see all the glaring issues Rtings pointed out. Maybe I would need to see it a proper lighting environment after a calibration disc...still, just not sure why they were so hard on this particular model. The largest panel I have space for is about 50", so I'd snag the 49" 830C in a heartbeat if the funds aligned with the stars.
The 830C has an IPS panel, so the black levels aren't as good as a comparable model with a VA panel. Mostly noticeable in complete dark viewing. That was the main complaint in reviews. The IPS panel will have better viewing angles vs. the VA.

If you view the 830C in a store with lighting or normally watch at home with light in the room, the difference in black level isn't as noticeable. The 830C also doesn't have triluminos which isn't a big deal for most people either if you don't like exaggerated color.

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Does anyone know the technical differences between the 75" 850c and 910c models? The 75x850c is on sale in BB for $3500, whereas the 910c is $5000. Why the big price difference? Is it just because the 910C has a thinner frame and smaller bezel?

I know the 75" 850C is direct lit and the 910c is edge lit. Is there a difference in sharpness or contrast between the two? And I have a feeling HDR will look better on the backlit 850c compared to the 910c, but the 910c is supposed to be the better model right? Anyone know? Because if these two TVs are nearly identical just in terms of picture quality, I might as well go for the 850c and save up for a future OLED upgrade.
I posted the same question in it's own thread earlier today and got no responses. Like you, I think on paper it looks like the 850c will have as good or better PQ for 2k less. Big difference I can spot is:

910c is much thinner(i think this is what they charging 2k more for)
910 4 speakers vs 2 on 850
910 edge lit vs direct lit on 850
The both have X1 processor, Triluminos, 4k x-reality pro, and Motionflow XR 960

Unless I hear a great argument for the 910 I'm planning on getting the 75x850c this weekend, what have you decided?
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I think you'll love 75x850C, and don't forget the most significant benefit of the 850C, the X850C member FAQ! We have an active community with some smart members to help out.

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There is a new update. Don't know what it fixes.

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thanks, I've already downloaded it and have been reading it. It is a great document.
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That annoying 3D pop up on the bottom left saying wide mode Full seems to have been fixed with this update. I was testing avatar 3d last night and it was still happening with my PS3 and after the update today its gone on my 75X850C
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So far we seem to have confirmed one fix in the new X850C FW:

-Confirmed via testing - Annoying "wide mode: Full" pop up on the bottom left during 3D playback has been fixed [cchen326]

Hopefully one of our DirecTV users can confirm if there appear to be any updates to that service/app on the TV. Sony indicated the update includes RVU updates. Sony site now lists the changes in this update to be "Improves RVU Support" - which is for the DirecTV 4K Ready feature/app.

Video app is still forcing all content to 16:9, unfortunately. I had incorrectly posted that issue had been fixed, but I was wrong.

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Hello!
I was going toward a 40W600b for the price and very good gaming performances, but the TV shop salesman told me it's better to pay 300$ more and get the 49X830c instead.
They don't have the 43'' version in my country, so it's bigger, it's 4K and it gets Android, but I wasn't convinced to get a 4K this year but in 2 years, Rtings is not very positive with this model, the 40w600b got better scores for movies.
I will use the TV most of all for PC games, GTX 970 MSI Gaming, as I said before I wasn't going into 4K because of the extra hundred $ and because nearly all my 2014-2015 games can run max at 1440p DSR, Ultra settings @60fps , only Borderlands prequel and Walking dead can run at 4K, or older games like Dead Space series.
So my questions are:
-Will the upscaling thingy give better results with games than a Sony FHD TV?
-Is there a noticeable difference between let's say upscaled 1440p to 4K on the 49X830 and 1440 DSR on a FHD TV like the 40W600b?
-I saw a review of this TV saying it has active 3D, though in my country this model doesn't have any 3D, are there different models with and without 3D?
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Hello!
I was going toward a 40W600b for the price and very good gaming performances, but the TV shop salesman told me it's better to pay 300$ more and get the 49X830c instead.
They don't have the 43'' version in my country, so it's bigger, it's 4K and it gets Android, but I wasn't convinced to get a 4K this year but in 2 years, Rtings is not very positive with this model, the 40w600b got better scores for movies.
I will use the TV most of all for PC games, GTX 970 MSI Gaming, as I said before I wasn't going into 4K because of the extra hundred $ and because nearly all my 2014-2015 games can run max at 1440p DSR, Ultra settings @60fps , only Borderlands prequel and Walking dead can run at 4K, or older games like Dead Space series.
So my questions are:
-Will the upscaling thingy give better results with games than a Sony FHD TV?
-Is there a noticeable difference between let's say upscaled 1440p to 4K on the 49X830 and 1440 DSR on a FHD TV like the 40W600b?
-I saw a review of this TV saying it has active 3D, though in my country this model doesn't have any 3D, are there different models with and without 3D?
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That annoying 3D pop up on the bottom left saying wide mode Full seems to have been fixed with this update. I was testing avatar 3d last night and it was still happening with my PS3 and after the update today its gone on my 75X850C
What 3D glasses are you guys using? Thanks.
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What 3D glasses are you guys using? Thanks.
I have 4 different types.
The official Sony tdgbt500a, samsung 4100gb, samsung 5150 and my favorite the Xpand X105-RF-X1 due to it being rechargeable and having a wider frame and head spacing perfect for my big head.

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