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post #1 of 18 Old 03-14-2015, 05:42 AM - Thread Starter
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Can I do Samsung after Sony?

I need some advice. I have always had Sony TVs. Recently I bought a Samsung 4k un65hu8550. Great pop, great in the store.

But, at home with the settings dialed down to realistic levels I'm finding a lot of detail missing in the blacks. There is no midrange - everything is either popping bright colors or dark areas with poor detail.

As a long time Sony guy (SXRD) I'm really struggling to balance the amazing pop of Samsung with the weak detail in the dark areas.

Will I adapt or should I jump ship and go to a Sony 4k?

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get a colorimeter and fix it.
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get a colorimeter and fix it.
Can a colorimeter address the low detail dark areas I'm experiencing?
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I need some advice. I have always had Sony TVs. Recently I bought a Samsung 4k un65hu8550. Great pop, great in the store.

But, at home with the settings dialed down to realistic levels I'm finding a lot of detail missing in the blacks. There is no midrange - everything is either popping bright colors or dark areas with poor detail.

As a long time Song guy (SXRD) I'm really struggling to balance the amazing pop of Samsung with the weak detail in the dark areas.

Will I adapt or should I jump ship and go to a Sony 4k?
I'm getting the Samsung JS9500 which has HDR (High dynamic range). It will be a revolutionary jump in shadow detail on both a bright, and dark image, as well as really bright when needed. Initial impressions are that this tv has a spectacular image, and fantastic color without the judder of the 8550. At $6000 it isn't inexpensive. Content is another story.

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I own both a New 2015 Samsung JS9000 and a 2014 Sony 65X900b. Both devices have strengths and weaknesses.

Upscaleing on the Sony seems to still be a little better than the Samsungs but it is very very close.

Color Vibrancy / Pop would probably go to Samsung now but not by allot.

Black levels are pretty close with the Samsung probably holding the edge slightly.

I love the new Samsung Smart Interface even though the last update messed it all up and Netflix is sill not working.

The 2014 Samsungs did not hold a candle to what the 2015 performance levels to me.

I would say if you are looking at the Sony 900b or 950b then you will be happy, anything less than I would not waste my time.

Samsungs I would stay with 2015 only models myself, the new SUHD line I know holds up to the Sony line.

The 2015 Sony models could change all of this if when they come out and are amazing

Just my thoughts and I hope it helps.

Now if ou can find a Samsung pf8500 Plasma then that would put a real kink into things as it is still a GREAT display that rivals all.

And no 4K TV – not even a curved one – has delivered a sense of UHD image depth as successfully and engagingly as the SONY 75X940C:
Sony XBR65X900B LG 55EC9300
PN64F8500 Plasma SOLD - Samsung UN65JS9000 SOLD ;)
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Can a colorimeter address the low detail dark areas I'm experiencing?
is more about if your display CMS can fix it. a t1d3 can easily read values this "low" CR display is outputting.

the ue65hu8500 has a black of 0.079 cd/m2 that is very easy for a colorimeter like the t1d3.

source: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65h...1412093960.htm

just a couple of days ago i used a t1d3 on a very cheap sony 48 w585 that displays black was at about 0.04 and i'm pretty sure it can read at lot deeper dark details from higher CR displays.

samsung is known for there good CMS. so this should be fixable.
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I own both a New 2015 Samsung JS9000 and a 2014 Sony 65X900b. Both devices have strengths and weaknesses.

Upscaleing on the Sony seems to still be a little better than the Samsungs but it is very very close.

Color Vibrancy / Pop would probably go to Samsung now but not by allot.

Black levels are pretty close with the Samsung probably holding the edge slightly.

I love the new Samsung Smart Interface even though the last update messed it all up and Netflix is sill not working.

The 2014 Samsungs did not hold a candle to what the 2015 performance levels to me.

I would say if you are looking at the Sony 900b or 950b then you will be happy, anything less than I would not waste my time.

Samsungs I would stay with 2015 only models myself, the new SUHD line I know holds up to the Sony line.

The 2015 Sony models could change all of this if when they come out and are amazing

Just my thoughts and I hope it helps.

Now if ou can find a Samsung pf8500 Plasma then that would put a real kink into things as it is still a GREAT display that rivals all.
Yes but at an average of 2x the price for a one year difference, the law of diminishing returns rears its head. I would really like to stay under $3k as I don't really watch that much TV.

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Yes but at an average of 2x the price for a one year difference, the law of diminishing returns rears its head. I would really like to stay under $3k as I don't really watch that much TV.

4K UHD JU7500 and the 4K UHD JU7100 will kick the crap out of the 8550 and both are 2015 models. And are under 3K. Also you look hard enough you can buy the Sony 900b for 3k.

So if you want to settle for last years model of Samsung then keep the 8550 but I would get the new ones as I posted about.

And no 4K TV – not even a curved one – has delivered a sense of UHD image depth as successfully and engagingly as the SONY 75X940C:
Sony XBR65X900B LG 55EC9300
PN64F8500 Plasma SOLD - Samsung UN65JS9000 SOLD ;)
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I got my eyes on the 4K UHD JU7500, sounds like It has everything I want and need. And I'm sure it will be a huge difference between the Vizio vf550m I currently have.

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4K UHD JU7500 and the 4K UHD JU7100 will kick the crap out of the 8550 and both are 2015 models. And are under 3K. Also you look hard enough you can buy the Sony 900b for 3k.

So if you want to settle for last years model of Samsung then keep the 8550 but I would get the new ones as I posted about.

Viper - do you know when those will be released? The JU7100 has my attention. I'll likely be returning the 8550 tomorrow.
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Viper - do you know when those will be released? The JU7100 has my attention. I'll likely be returning the 8550 tomorrow.
Allot of Best Buy stores already have them, you will just need to call them or go into the store to check. They are not on website yet.

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And no 4K TV – not even a curved one – has delivered a sense of UHD image depth as successfully and engagingly as the SONY 75X940C:
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4K UHD JU7500 and the 4K UHD JU7100 will kick the crap out of the 8550 and both are 2015 models. And are under 3K. Also you look hard enough you can buy the Sony 900b for 3k.

So if you want to settle for last years model of Samsung then keep the 8550 but I would get the new ones as I posted about.
I agree with this. The 7100 and 7500 are already available in a bunch of stores. But the "official" release date is march 22nd so that's actually only 1 week from tomorrow. The Samsung 2015 tvs will certainly compete with Sony as far as upscale and processing. AND, if the 2015 one connect upgrade includes the new and improved upscaling and better chip it means that the hu8550 and hu9000 will also be on par with the sony processing, while sonys 2014 class will stay the same(not saying it's necessarily a bad thing). But just in case, I'd still choose a 2015 samsung over a 2014 at this point.
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Allot of Best Buy stores already have them, you will just need to call them or go into the store to check. They are not on website yet.

Viper
What are your thought on the detail in the dark areas? For me scenery is unparalleled but dark details are just basically black. Will that improve you think?
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What are your thought on the detail in the dark areas? For me scenery is unparalleled but dark details are just basically black. Will that improve you think?
Remember I have the SUHD model so I cannot speak completely for the 7100 or 7500 models. But the processing is much better than the 2014 models and I think the panels are also. I would still say that a 900b Sony Model at a great price I would not pass up either.

Details are very good, just make sure you get the settings correct and do not rely on factory settings.

And no 4K TV – not even a curved one – has delivered a sense of UHD image depth as successfully and engagingly as the SONY 75X940C:
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Remember I have the SUHD model so I cannot speak completely for the 7100 or 7500 models. But the processing is much better than the 2014 models and I think the panels are also. I would still say that a 900b Sony Model at a great price I would not pass up either.

Details are very good, just make sure you get the settings correct and do not rely on factory settings.
I'm kinda getting the feeling like the entire tech is not quite there yet. Coming from SXRD, I'm really struggling. I'll return the 8550 and try a 2015 Samsung.
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I was in BB today and they had a Sony 850B running Blu Ray same as the new JS9000 and the Sony upscaling and detail was as good or better.....

That's who good Sony is at upscaling....
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Everything I know about the Sonys is from reviews. My local BB is playing a very dark demo loop and there is nothing interesting about them there. However, when I look at Amazon reviews the satisfaction with Sony is much higher.
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Everything I know about the Sonys is from reviews. My local BB is playing a very dark demo loop and there is nothing interesting about them there. However, when I look at Amazon reviews the satisfaction with Sony is much higher.
Despite what anyone says, Sony's processing will always be leagues above the competition, and always has. A member who has a js9000 says while the processing is improved over the 2014 Samsung models, his 2014 Sony still has better processing. The 2015 Sony sets should be even more improved.
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