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post #61 of 7286 Old 03-11-2016, 07:39 AM
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Do we have any idea when the 55x930D will be in stores?
According to the director of Crutchfield who handles the television department over there, he was quoted by his Sony guy that they should be getting th 55X930D in around March 21st and I should hopefully get my pre-order by March 27th. I plan on waiting any ways because even if other sites get theirs in stock earlier because he informed my over the phone that Sony will be doing a $1,000 rebate at the time and that in April Sony will offer another $100 rebate which he said they will credit to my account. So not sure if anyone will get the 55X930D early but Crutchfield said that was a solid date from their Sony rep, hope that helps.

Glad to see that the few owners are enjoying the television so far. Pictures look great and I can't wait to get mine in and setup and I'll be sure to post pictures.
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Here is why it's important to me, on a physical disc, I'm not sure it matters as it will include HDR10+DV. However, streaming may be a different story. If streaming contains both "layers," it's not a big deal. If HDR10 can't be broken into a separate "layer," then missing out on HDR is a HUGE deal for me.
Too new to post links, but look for the Forbes article about the Amazon announcement. The link the OP posted about Amazon going Dolby Vision does not have the key detail that Amazon does plan to support both HDR10 and DV and if I remember correctly the article I read about Netflix going DV also stated they plan to support HDR10. I know the UHD alliance requires both HDR10 and DV if the UHD disc is encoded for HDR but I'm not sure it works that way with streaming either, however two of the major content streaming companies have pledged support for HRD10 and DV which is nice.

So yeah DV is nice to have but at this point it's not a deal breaker to me. I wouldn't mind DV but right now my options are a Vizio reference TV or some LG TV's I'm not interested in either. So I'm still sticking to my plan to try out the 55X930D and see how it performs. I've always loved my Sony TV's and hoping this is no different.
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Too new to post links, but look for the Forbes article about the Amazon announcement. The link the OP posted about Amazon going Dolby Vision does not have the key detail that Amazon does plan to support both HDR10 and DV and if I remember correctly the article I read about Netflix going DV also stated they plan to support HDR10. I know the UHD alliance requires both HDR10 and DV if the UHD disc is encoded for HDR but I'm not sure it works that way with streaming either, however two of the major content streaming companies have pledged support for HRD10 and DV which is nice.

So yeah DV is nice to have but at this point it's not a deal breaker to me. I wouldn't mind DV but right now my options are a Vizio reference TV or some LG TV's I'm not interested in either. So I'm still sticking to my plan to try out the 55X930D and see how it performs. I've always loved my Sony TV's and hoping this is no different.

"It’s important to stress that the Dolby Vision HDR streams will not replace Amazon’s current HDR streams. They will just co-exist, meaning people with Dolby Vision-enabled TVs can see the Dolby Vision streams, while people without Dolby Vision TVs can still see the ‘standard’ HDR streams."

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This is my plan. 930D now, a nice OLED 3-5 years from now. There's always going to be something new around the corner.
Yes, those G-6's had me wavering for a few weeks and I almost brought out my Wiji board for help - but not just yet as I still have faith in Sony.

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I almost brought out my Wiji board for help - but not just yet as I still have faith in Sony.
Is that a wifi enabled Ouija board?

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Is that a wifi enabled Ouji board?
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Black uniformity is bad, but that is expected on an edge-lit, however the photo's you've provided of actual viewing content looks pretty darn good assuming you haven't calibrated your set.

My problem with the X850D when I got it last year was that there were noticeable edge bleed from both left and right side, more so on the left (granted this model is technically 1 up -- but it's still edge-lit).

I'm impressed.

Who stares at a complete black screen and watches credits all day right?
you got the x850D last year?

One question sir................. are you from the future? Please answer honestly!!
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The 930D and 940D should get separate threads since they are different types of displays: edge-lit vs full-array local dimming.


930D has the new slim backlight drive


940D has the tried and true FALD
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you got the x850D last year?

One question sir................. are you from the future? Please answer honestly!!
Lol, had to be the 850c

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you got the x850D last year?

One question sir................. are you from the future? Please answer honestly!!
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LG, Philips, and TLC are releasing TV's with DV for 2016, Philip's new blu ray with have DV, NetFlix will support DV, and and major studios are releasing 4k Ultra HD blu ray content. I don't think its completely pointless to have DV has check box when considering a TV.
I don't think people care about LG, Philips nor TLC LCD TVs. Those are all second tier displays.

I also haven't see any UHD blurays mention support for Dolby Vision for 2016. Any links that could help me read up on this?

The 930D is probably the top of the line edge-lit LCD TV for 2016 and DV won't even matter.
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My local bestbuy has this set hooked up right in the center with all other C series and it definitely is a big improvement over the C series. The blacks are fantastic and also brings out better colors. All the tvs are fed with the same signal but the 930D had HDR enabled which made the difference. 930C and 930D were side by side and the D was so much better. You guys need to see for yourselves.
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So glad this thread has started. I did just purchase a new 75x940c BUT since I am moving in the next week or 2, best buy magnolia is holding shipping until I am in.

So yeah I am interested on thoughts compared to the 940c.
I have the 940C and just saw 930D today. Yes the 930D has great blacks, I am very impressed, but the 940C can go very bright and don't see 930D capable of doing that. My house has lots of windows and the brightness is very important.

940C is 5.5k, 930D is 5k, for 0.5k more you get side speakers whether you like it or not, and 10 inch more. Overall 940C is still better than 930D because of FALD.
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500
Assuming price is similar, then a FALD > Edge Lit seems like a no brainer, but do you notice actual clouding during normal viewing? Have you tested HDR content vs. the two? I think you are coming to a quick conclusion based on 1 factor? Personally if HDR and during normal viewing I don't notice clouding & the picture quality is far better, I'm going with the 2016 unit since it's UHD alliance spec'd out.
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500
Assuming price is similar, then a FALD > Edge Lit is a no brainer, but do you notice actual clouding during normal viewing? Have you tested HDR content vs. the two? I think you are coming to a quick conclusion based on 1 factor?
Yup tested out hdr and tv.

Sorry but clouding is a perfectly reasonable deal breaker. I can see it in regular conten .
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I have the 940C and just saw 930D today. Yes the 930D has great blacks, I am very impressed, but the 940C can go very bright and don't see 930D capable of doing that. My house has lots of windows and the brightness is very important.

940C is 5.5k, 930D is 5k, for 0.5k more you get side speakers whether you like it or not, and 10 inch more. Overall 940C is still better than 930D because of FALD.
Whew mine not like that.
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500

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Yup tested out hdr and tv.

Sorry but clouding is a perfectly reasonable deal breaker. I can see it in regular conten .
Fair enough. If you can provide pictures before you send it back of what you see for the forum, it would be very beneficial.

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The grid array really works though I'll give it that much. It's very good. The problem is that the clouding is so bad even the local dimming won't eliminate it
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500
Alexander, sorry to hear that your set has clouding, but it's great news that the grid array works well. There's a possibility your set is an outlier as Viper's set isn't exhibiting the same level of clouding. So there's the possibility you may have luck with a second set.

If you have some time and if you've got the 'Gravity' or 'Tron' blu-rays it would be great if you could take some pictures, that would be a great help at evaluating the performance on these sets when they exhibit clouding.
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Don't have either of those. I do have star wars though.

But I'm under the belief that no flagship tv at 3000+ dollars should look like that. Unacceptable
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Got good news and bad news. Good news. The grid array is pretty legit and blooming is better than on the js9500. Bad news. The uniformity is God awful and you can see clouding even with the local dimming activated. It's horrible and ruins the tv. It will be returned in favor of the js9500

Thats not true the image you are showing is during boot up of android tv and local dimming isn't enabled.
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Well this seals the deal. Turning black level all the way down and it still does this lol. So bad.
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Well this seals the deal. Turning black level all the way down and it still does this lol. So bad.
Not black level, turn down brightness.
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Well this seals the deal. Turning black level all the way down and it still does this lol. So bad.
Unacceptable, your local dimming can't be working.
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Out of curiosity - how long does it take the TV to power on?
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Well this seals the deal. Turning black level all the way down and it still does this lol. So bad.
Not black level, turn down brightness.
I don't want to turn down the backlight. It's hdr mad max. You're supposed to leave it maxed. I turned down to black level to see if it would get rid of the gray.
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Here's another shot you can even see a giant gray band going in the middle of the screen.

What a disaster.
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A new pic. Corner flashlighting and big band.
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It does look like that at times with text boxes but it looks good with real content. Ive never had a LCD but I think it looks pretty good cant compare it to anything else but below are a few pics from gravity.

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