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That's newer than the version i have. My YouTube still world.
It doesn't convert Dolby vision to hdr10. The tv accepts Dolby vision via hdmi.


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I'm curios with the Chromecast Ultra. If you play a known DV program like Marco Polo on Netflix, does it que up the way it does via casting (shows DV logo while loading)?

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FWIW I did the factory reset using the smart cast app (didnt do the unplug/hold power reset) and my DD+ came back. On the latest FW. I could never get atmos to work with VUDU so I didnt test that.
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I'm curios with the Chromecast Ultra. If you play a known DV program like Marco Polo on Netflix, does it que up the way it does via casting (shows DV logo while loading)?
Yes, exactly - you'll see the buffering status % increasing alongside a "DolbyVision" with the logo next to it.
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Yes, exactly - you'll see the buffering status % increasing alongside a "DolbyVision" with the logo next to it.
(Though I should note that I believe that logo is displayed via the Netflix app, not the Chromecast Ultra, but the Ultra defaults to using 12bit DV over HDR10 when available on Netflix)
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Regardinrg YouTube and HDR VP9 codec

There's been talk on here that 2016 Vizio TVs can't do YouTube HDR. It was said by a few this may be due to a hardware issue. It seems that isn't the case! Maybe our TVs will be able to do YouTube HDR in the future. Maybe now many on here can relax now

Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2016/12/20/your-samsung-tv-now-supports-youtube-hdr-if-youre-lucky/#1848e9962535

"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."
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This seems fixed on the 3.0.10.7 firmware.


Your earlier post mentioned a 'high pitch' buzz or tone. That caught my attention. That's what I have with Beta 3.0.6.4.
If that's gone with your Beta 3.0.10.7, I'll probably grab it then.





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Regardinrg YouTube and HDR VP9 codec



There's been talk on here that 2016 Vizio TVs can't do YouTube HDR. It was said by a few this may be due to a hardware issue. It seems that isn't the case! Maybe our TVs will be able to do YouTube HDR in the future. Maybe now many on here can relax now



Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR:



http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#1848e9962535



"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."


I don't think so.....Matt already stated that it's not possible with the built in SmartCast system. These TV's were designed before the Samsungs 2016 line so at the time they didn't have the hardware. When Samsung started designing theirs I am guessing the hardware was available.


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Regardinrg YouTube and HDR VP9 codec

There's been talk on here that 2016 Vizio TVs can't do YouTube HDR. It was said by a few this may be due to a hardware issue. It seems that isn't the case! Maybe our TVs will be able to do YouTube HDR in the future. Maybe now many on here can relax now



Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#1848e9962535

"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."
Yeah, but Matt already said unequivocally that it's not possible as the P lacks the hardware for it. Need external device like Chromecast Ultra.
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I guess the best I can do it start a thread
with the same title except add "no beta firmware talk".


FWIW...

If you do, that will be the 3rd 2016 P-Series Thread. The second one has dramatically slowed down, as this 'King Thread' started by Thomas is the place to be for best info coverage. It's time-tested has won-out over the other one (which I still don't why it also got started near the same time as this one).

Next time, start one when the 2017 or 2018 Vizios arrive. You'll have a fighting chance out the gate, at least.

I wouldn't mind if there were branch-outs for Gamers, Beta-Talk, etc. that's integrated into the Forum Software, with something like check-boxes. That way, everyone can stay in one Thread, but not see stuff about 'Gaming', 'Beta Firmware', etc if they unchecked the box(es).

I started the P50 Thread, but still must be here for complete coverage of 'Vizio Action News'.


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How much difference in quality are your guys seeing streaming HDR content vs a Disc for movies like Batman Superman or Pacific Rim. Also is a 75-100mb connection good enough to stream content of that size?
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Is a 75-100mb connection good enough to stream content of that size?


I can stream NetFlix 4K/4K-HDR DV during off-peak hours just fine at my ISP tier of 20Mbps.

I've seen it at 1080 or 720 at prime time local, but I rarely stream at prime hours anyway.


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Check back a few pages. My panel came last Friday and on Saturday when I went to install it was completely broken and lines everywhere. Called csr and within 5 minutes they ordered a new. I purchased online.

They are also sending someone to pick it up the broken one and cross shipping
Just called online customer service, had to go thru 4 levels on menus, then said will call back in hour. No call back came.

Did you call the online CSR or different number? Did they ask for pictures of problem or if you had contacted Vizio tech support yet? I know its panel issue since its on the main menus and also now see there is backlight problem in middle of screen.

Really wondering now about switching from my 8 year perfect functioning Sony RP. Wondering if should wait for the cheaper OLED at end of year, but the reviews on this P-series are really great.
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I'm curios with the Chromecast Ultra. If you play a known DV program like Marco Polo on Netflix, does it que up the way it does via casting (shows DV logo while loading)?
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Yes, exactly - you'll see the buffering status % increasing alongside a "DolbyVision" with the logo next to it.
I didn't think the Chromecast Ultra had been updated for Dolby Vision yet?

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So I completed my 1080p @ 120 FPS testing last night. I have listed below what does and doesn’t work as well as my recommendations for non-HDR PC gaming with the P75 with the latest beta firmware.

P75 HDMI Input 5
1. 1080p @ 120 FPS is a real 120 fps on HDMI 5. There is no doubling of frames and the UFO test site accurately recognizes that mode as 120 FPS.

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

2. The Chroma Subsampling setting is irrelevant for HDMI 5. HDMI 5 does not support 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 with or without that setting turned on. Conversely to what most people think, the chroma subsampling setting does not affect HDR capabilities at all. It only affects whether the TV reports that it is 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 capable in its EDID transmission. Chroma subsampling doesn’t effect HDR on any input. It only affects 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 capabilities.

3. The 1080p @ 120 FPS video on HDMI 5 does not properly pass the 4:4:4 test. However, it doesn’t fail it completely either. That test is a very specific pattern that is designed specifically to only show the 4:4:4 text if it is a true 4:4:4 display with no other issues. If it is a 4:2:2 display then it will only show the 4:2:2 text if nothing else is wrong.

4. With 1080p @ 120 FPS video on HDMI 5 it clearly displays both the 4:2:2 and the 4:4:4 text. This is not an indication that it is a 4:2:2 display. Instead it is an indication that something else is wrong and you cannot draw a definitive conclusion on whether this display is 4:4:4 capable in that mode or not.

5. 1080p @ 120 FPS will only allow the 8 bit RGB setting as opposed to the YCbCr 4:4:4 setting. Both of those are true 4:4:4 though so it really is not relevant. It will allow you to select “limited” or “Full” range with RGB. I recommend “limited” unless you see issues in specific games or apps.

6. I absolutely guarantee that you will NEVER see any issues at all with how the P75 displays text with 1080p @ 120 FPS on HDMI 5 unless you are specifically trying to produce an issue by using the test patterns. In real world gaming, internet browsing, or even spreadsheets there are no issues at all. Text is completely clear. This is an ABSOLUTE non-issue.

7. I didn’t numerically measure the input lag on HDMI 5 with 1080p @ 120 FPS. I will leave that up to RTINGS.com to do that leg work. However, my observations were that GLL appears to help very little if at all with 1080p @ 120 FPS on HDMI 5. It appears to be extremely fast with GLL turned on or turned off.

8. The motion interpolation settings(Reduce Motion Blur and Reduce Judder) are greyed out with a 1080p @ 120 FPS input. Therefore they appear to be disabled. My supposition then is that the GLL setting isn’t really doing much with these settings disabled anyway.

9. With 1080p @ 120 FPS the motion handling appears to be very similar to 1080p @ 60 FPS with the motion interpolation turned up to 10. However, 1080p @ 120 FPS doesn’t have the input latency issues that 1080p @ 60 FPS has without GLL enabled. Therefore, I actually recommend turning GLL off with 1080p @ 120 FPS. This gives you excellent motion handling with nearly perfect input latency.

10. For the absolute best motion handling I have ever encountered you should use 1080p @ 120 FPS RGB on HDMI 5. Enable clear action which does not produce any flickering at all. Then disable Game Low latency. Test the ufo test site with this setup and I guarantee you will also see how good gaming can be. It is really disheartening that RTINGS.com simply refuses to acknowledge that this is the best that gaming can get. They are doing a disservice to their readers.

P75 HDMI Input 1-4

1. HDMI 1-4 will accept a 1080p @ 120 FPS input with or without chroma subsampling enabled. However, the screen can look all washed out or have chroma issues randomly. Sometimes restarting the display and unplugging the HDMI cable can help. However, it also sometimes requires toggling the chroma subsampling setting back and forth.

2. The Vizio settings app reports 1080p @ 120 FPS for a 1080p @ 120 FPS input. However, I was unable to get the UFO test site to recognize this as a 120 FPS display. It always displays it as 60 FPS with HDMI 1-4. I didn’t do the specific test for frame insertion. However, my best guess is that 1080p @ 120 FPS is not truly 120 FPS because of frame insertion on HDMI 1-4.

3. Input lag was atrocious on HDMI 1-4 with GLL disabled even with a 1080p @ 120 FPS input. Enabling GLL improved it but it still wasn’t what I consider to be “Good”.

4. Enabling chroma subsampling on HDMI 1-4 will allow the display to report that it is 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 capable. If chroma subsampling is turned off then it will act just like HDMI 5 and max out at 4K @ 60 FPS 4:2:0. However, unlike HDMI 5, HDMI 1-4 will support HDR content. In addition the chroma subsampling setting does not effect HDR on HDMI 1-4 at all.

5. 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 on HDMI 1-4 does not properly pass the 4:4:4 test or the 4:2:2 test. However, it will only be an issue with the test patterns. With all other real world content it will look just fine as long as you don’t have to cycle the power on the TV to get the chroma subsampling setting to “take properly”. RTINGS.com noted this issue in their review and it still exists today.

My biggest delima is how to get great 1080p @ 60 FPS gaming with the PS4, great PC gaming with 1080p @ 120 FPS, HDR gaming with both the PC and the PS4 at all resolutions, and how to get 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 when I want that.

You have to have the PS4 going into HDMI 5 in order to get low input lag with 1080p @ 60 FPS and GLL enabled. However, you need HDMI 5 to do proper 1080p @ 120 FPS gaming with a PC.

On the other hand you must use HDMI input 1-4 to get HDR gaming at any resolution or frame rate. In addition you have to use HDMI 1-4 for 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 but that also means you might encounter input lag and Clear Action flickering issues as well.

I haven’t achieved a setup that accomplishes all of those things yet. Right now I have both my PC and my PS4 going through my Yamaha receiver through one of its two HDMI outputs to HDMI 5 on the P75. This allows great non HDR PS4 and PC gaming at 1080p @ 60 FPS and 1080p @ 120 FPS respectively. However, my receiver will not pass 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 properly even though it has the latest update and it advertises that it is 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 capable.

I want to try an HDMI splitter like the one below. However, my fear is that it will only use the lowest resolution and chroma sampling of all of the devices that are connected to it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EV4I8LS...VVWJ9BL2&psc=1

What I really need is a 2 input or more HDMI splitter with 2 or more outputs that is HDR and 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 capable. If anyone has some recommendations for that I am all ears.

Hopefully, this is helpful to everyone. Most of these things are not that unpresidented.
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Wonder if they can put this up for download so we can do it manually.
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Really wondering now about switching from my 8 year perfect functioning Sony RP. Wondering if should wait for the cheaper OLED at end of year, but the reviews on this P-series are really great.
I feel like I'm in a similar boat. Upgraded from a great 7 year old Panasonic plasma that was killing my electricity bill. Finally jumped on the P65 during the Vizio Black Friday sale after reading all the great reviews over the last few months.

Got it a few weeks later finally and the display has multiple vertical shadows and one big circle shadow on the top right. Getting a new one shipped out was pretty painless after sending photos and new one should be here in a few days.

Although reading through some of these posts has me worried. Is QC this bad at Vizio? Should I be worried about this TV not lasting me 4-6 years? Or am I and others posting about bad experiences just a small vocal minority?
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Just called online customer service, had to go thru 4 levels on menus, then said will call back in hour. No call back came.

Did you call the online CSR or different number? Did they ask for pictures of problem or if you had contacted Vizio tech support yet? I know its panel issue since its on the main menus and also now see there is backlight problem in middle of screen.

Really wondering now about switching from my 8 year perfect functioning Sony RP. Wondering if should wait for the cheaper OLED at end of year, but the reviews on this P-series are really great.
Did you buy online? I did and just called - 1-800-955-2292
https://customerservice.costco.com/a...il/c/10/a_id/9
It sounds like you might have called concierge service which I did originally (not the right people to call). If you just purchased online and are within the 90 return window call the number above.

They didnt ask for photo's but they can certainly have them if they want
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Just called online customer service, had to go thru 4 levels on menus, then said will call back in hour. No call back came.

Did you call the online CSR or different number? Did they ask for pictures of problem or if you had contacted Vizio tech support yet? I know its panel issue since its on the main menus and also now see there is backlight problem in middle of screen.

Really wondering now about switching from my 8 year perfect functioning Sony RP. Wondering if should wait for the cheaper OLED at end of year, but the reviews on this P-series are really great.
My experience with Vizio support is they don't call back. During my last 2 swaps each time they said they would call back on several different occasions but never did. It is best just to keep calling them.
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My P65 is great except for a single speck of dust under the screen that is visible only in very specific circumstances and viewing distances. I was planning on exchanging it because of this issue but after seeing how many issues others are having with p65 panels I am wondering if I should consider myself lucky and keep it. It has good uniformity, very subtle DSE if any and has had no technical issues so far.
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FYI, I asked Matt on twitter a few minutes ago if he had any updates about the FALD blooming issue, this was his reply:
"Yep. team aware of the backlight issue. Fix in house already and hope to release asap"
https://twitter.com/mbmcrae/status/811261208791838725
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Did you buy online? I did and just called - 1-800-955-2292
https://customerservice.costco.com/a...il/c/10/a_id/9
It sounds like you might have called concierge service which I did originally (not the right people to call). If you just purchased online and are within the 90 return window call the number above.

They didnt ask for photo's but they can certainly have them if they want
Yep I did call the 2292 number and did returns and final menu choice is 0 to speak to CSR. But message said schedule a callback and if not choosing this is just say resource not available try call back later, bye.

I know Costco told me they had a huge batch of this TVs going out so who knows how many calls they are fielding. What sucks is I want to get this moving and their is a new price drop that is good until 24th that I want them to match on my original order as its significant.

They do have an online return form, but not sure how that process differs and if I get a new replacement shipped out same day.
UPDATE: Right after this post, I actually got the call back. About 2 hours late then scheduled, but the CSR is processing the return now and the price diff refund.

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My P55 had a forklift hole in through both boxes. I called concierge service no pictures requested, boxed the display and it was picked up 2 days later by UPS, had my new P55 in 6 days.
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My P55 had a forklift hole in through both boxes. I called concierge service no pictures requested, boxed the display and it was picked up 2 days later by UPS, had my new P55 in 6 days.
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How much difference in quality are your guys seeing streaming HDR content vs a Disc for movies like Batman Superman or Pacific Rim. Also is a 75-100mb connection good enough to stream content of that size?


It's kind of hard to say. Most streaming it's Dolby vision which is better than the hdr-10 that is on the disc. That said you should get better resolution and obviously better some via uhd blu-ray


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Regardinrg YouTube and HDR VP9 codec



There's been talk on here that 2016 Vizio TVs can't do YouTube HDR. It was said by a few this may be due to a hardware issue. It seems that isn't the case! Maybe our TVs will be able to do YouTube HDR in the future. Maybe now many on here can relax now



Samsung TV now supports YouTube HDR:



http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#1848e9962535



"Samsung has announced that from today (December 20th 2016) it will begin rolling out a new firmware update to some of its TVs that will enable them to play high dynamic range (HDR) videos from YouTube."


Not sure why you would think a completely different brand tv getting support for YouTube would affect our tv. Samsung and Google had previously planned for this together and the only tvs that get it are the newest Samsung's that have the vp9 built in already.


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So I completed my 1080p @ 120 FPS testing last night. I have listed below what does and doesn’t work as well as my recommendations for non-HDR PC gaming with the P75 with the latest beta firmware.
A couple of additional things I forgot to mention.

1. Reduce Judder now controls both 24 FPS and 30 FPS material. Reduce Motion Blur only operates on 60 FPS material. This was reversed before for the P75 and was opposite of what Matt McCrae had said originally. It appears to be resolved now and works as designed. I am not sure if it was fixed in this latest release or an earlier release.

2. 4K @ 30 FPS has some of the worst motion handling I have ever seen. If the input is a true 4K @ 30 FPS signal then nothing really seemed to help with controlling the ghosting that was present. I would not recommend gaming at 4K @ 30 FPS with the P75 and the current beta firmware. You are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better off using 1080p @ 120 FPS or even 1080p @ 60 FPS.

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I didn't think the Chromecast Ultra had been updated for Dolby Vision yet?
No, it has Dolby Vision support. I'm not sure about the details of when it was added but it's definitely there. I can't tell a difference between it and HDR10, except the logo that displays in the Roku Ultra vs Chromecast Ultra. It otherwise looks more or less the same to me.

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RTINGS.com claims that the Samsung and Sony TVs can do 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 HDR. How is that possible? HDR has to be at least 10 bit and 10 bit 4K @ 60 FPS 4:4:4 isn’t possible over current HDMI specifications, is it?
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