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I think the other way to tell if HDR has kicked in is how the picture changes with Dynamic Contrast settings. In an SDR mode, a higher Dynamic Contrast setting will darken the image, while in an HDR mode, a higher Dynamic Contrast setting will brighten the image.

This is 100% true.


Seems alot of people are ignoring that trick. Dynamic contrast will only act that way when it recieved hdr metadata.


As a test, u can experiment with the setting while watching the imax documentaries which have the option of sdr and hdr. With the hdr versiom7, on any picture mode, dynamic contrast will act as if it's hdr, because it is. With the sdr version, dynamic contrast will act like it normally does with sdr.
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Under systems settings (one of the bottom two icons), there's an option for HIGH CONTRAST. It's OFF by default, which gives you a white background in the Web Browser. Turn it ON and it will turn the background for the Web Browser app black or inverse. The brightness on this TV makes it hard to use the white background (for me anyways) to do web browsing for any extended period of time.
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I've got a KS8000 series and tried playing 4K YouTube content but it's still showing up with the HD logo next to the title, anyone having the same issue?
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This is 100% true.


Seems alot of people are ignoring that trick. Dynamic contrast will only act that way when it recieved hdr metadata.


As a test, u can experiment with the setting while watching the imax documentaries which have the option of sdr and hdr. With the hdr versiom7, on any picture mode, dynamic contrast will act as if it's hdr, because it is. With the sdr version, dynamic contrast will act like it normally does with sdr.
What IMAX documentaries are these?
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I've got a KS8000 series and tried playing 4K YouTube content but it's still showing up with the HD logo next to the title, anyone having the same issue?
Some YouTube videos say they are4K but logo says HD. However there are lots that have 4K logo.
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I've got a KS8000 series and tried playing 4K YouTube content but it's still showing up with the HD logo next to the title, anyone having the same issue?
Yes, I have run across a few of them. I am not sure what caused it. Maybe it is due to incompatible 4K format. But on most 4K video, I do see 4K logo and 4K picture. There is a bug on YouTube, if it is ad time, the 4K video after the ad will default to HD. You need to exit and choose the video again to get 4K.
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Yes, I have run across a few of them. I am not sure what caused it. Maybe it is due to incompatible 4K format. But on most 4K video, I do see 4K logo and 4K picture. There is a bug on YouTube, if it is ad time, the 4K video after the ad will default to HD. You need to exit and choose the video again to get 4K.
I played every 4K video fine on my 5K iMac display but it's just HD using the TV /:
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Also, UHD HDR plays fine via the Amazon Video app
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What IMAX documentaries are these?
Journey to Space, flight of the butterflies, rocky Mountain express.
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Is there any way to get rid of that annoying "exit" symbol on the lower right of any YouTube video played through the TV app?
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Red face MP4 playing on the KS800D vs. HU8550

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You can't compare HDR on 8550 and 800D as HU8550 does not support HDR. If you want to see what HDR can do on your 800D, you can download the LG HDR Chess clip here:

http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr

The color and contrast is on a complete different level.


With the kind help of two members' posts, have adjusted the KS to 90% of the HU8550. On OTA, the the KS whites should be still whiter, the blacks should be a bit blacker, and the color a bit more vibrant.

Downloaded the LG Chess demo on a USB 2.0 stick (thanks, acefr). Stuck it on the OCB of the KS800D, it recognized it immediately. Played it. Colors a little better, picture sharper. It was in movie mode, but I did not change anything. Picture was a bit unreal, semi-cartoonish.

Plugged the USB into the HU8550 and it recognized the USB stick. Asked if I wanted to explore the disk. Sure. Went to the MP4 file and launched it. Warning: it will not play properly. Okay. Play anyway. Wow! It played on the HU8550. It was about the same as the KS800D... a little less colorful, a little less bright, but more natural. Both sets looked fine playing this MP4.

On OTA on the KS800D, there is still what I'll call mild "motion stuttering". It is not present on the HU8550.

SUMMARY:

1. HU8550 OTA picture is better. I want a set which gives the best OTA picture
2. HU8550 has a central stand. The KS800D forces one to use a long table or long board. Don't want wall mounting.
3. KS800D internal sound is not nearly as good as the HU8550. Prefer not to have a TV which requires a separate sound system.
4. I don't use/need HDR now, and the HU8550 plays the "HDR" demo just fine.
5. KS800D motion stuttering is annoying.

Will continue playing with the KS settings and test it further. Any other demos you can suggest?
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Supposedly this is the way the UHD Alliance which certifies "UHD Premium" TVs to be HDR10 worthy says it should be. Something about uniform performance but it sure would be swell if Samsung and/or the Alliance would drop us a line on this subject!
Ahhh, I dream of the day when Samsung actually documents half of the features of these TVs!

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. . .
SUMMARY:

1. HU8550 OTA picture is better. I want a set which gives the best OTA picture
2. HU8550 has a central stand. The KS800D forces one to use a long table or long board. Don't want wall mounting.
3. KS800D internal sound is not nearly as good as the HU8550. Prefer not to have a TV which requires a separate sound system.
4. I don't use/need HDR now, and the HU8550 plays the "HDR" demo just fine.
5. KS800D movement stuttering is annoying.

Will continue playing with the KS settings and test it further. Any other demos you can suggest?
Although the picture on my 2016 UN49KS8000 is fantastic, and I really have no real regrets or buyers remorse, I've been watching our living room 2014 UN65HU9000/SEK 3500 and wondering, "What was I thinking when I bought another TV for the den"? (I had a small 1080 set that was just fine there.) The answer is that I bought into the HDR hype and had to have something that was an example of the state of this art, so I went for the 49" KS8000.

So now I have a fine new TV in the den, but no one will ever convince me that the 2014 UN65HU9000/SEK 3500 isn't as fine, and probably finer than the "HDR certified" 2016 set, particularly on 4K SDR which, along with the TV's up scaling of 1080 HD material, is still 99% of what we will watch for the foreseeable future.

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Hey guys -- just wanted to get everyone's opinion on this. I own the 65 inch model and I'm looking to mount it on my brick wall. I'm not super handy or anything, but after checking out numerous mounts on Amazon.com I've finally settled on this mount.

Can you guys take a look and let me know your thoughts or recommendations?

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Journey to Space, flight of the butterflies, rocky Mountain express.
Are these streamed or from physical media? Cheers.
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Hey all joining you for awhile since the 49KS8500 is on my eventual to buy list. I have an LG OLED upstairs and it's great. I just might want to replace an older Panasonic ET5 which has bad light bleed and blah black levels. This looks like a great TV and it has a 49" which is a nice smaller size.

The main questions I have are, has anyone compared this to the vizio P-50? (I mean people here, not rtings) I think I'd rather stick with a company I know and trust (as far as PQ), and does the panel lottery apply to this specific curved model and size? And, so how do you like your 8500? I'm mainly gonna use it for PS4 and other current/next gen games. So the PQ with 1080p gaming is my main concern.

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Oh and I was just reading this page. Where can I download the LG chess demo? Considering I bought a dern 4K LG OLED, I should be entitled to this demo any way. PM me please!

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Are these streamed or from physical media? Cheers.
They are 4K Blu-rays.

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Better blacks than Sony XBR65 X850D?

Hi folks,
I bought a Sony Bravia 65" X850D two weeks ago, and I've basically decided I can't live with it so it's going back to Best Buy for something else. In the same price range is this Samsung (KS8000) and the Vizio P65-C1 (which doesn't seem to actually exist for sale right now). My main gripe with the Sony is mostly due to my viewing angle. The TV is wall mounted, sort of high due to the way the mounts attached to the back (~5.5' to TV center from the ground). My main TV watching spot is on a perpendicular couch to the right of the TV and down. At this angle there is terrible washout of dark scenes and significant light bleed from the opposite (top left) corner. From head on everything looks great, with strong blacks, no obvious light bleed, and good contrast. But my living room can't be rearranged just for a new TV. I tried playing with the settings all I could, but it's an edge lit IPS panel and I think there's nothing more I can do. Can anyone advise whether this Samsung will be similar in that regard? Does anyone have any photos from offset angles, or offset angles and from below? I know this is also an edge-lit set, so I'm concerned I would replace the Sony with this just to end up bringing the Samsung back for the same reason. I like the reviews on the Vizio P series, but it sounds like there are some significant quality control issues, and the whole SmartCast thing is a turnoff as well. Thanks in advance.

(If all else fails I can always spend all my money on the LG OLED 65"!)
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I have both KS8000 and LG UH8500. If you value the TV speaker sound quality, I would suggest LG UH8500. It has Harman Kardon designed audio and the TV actually sounds good without external speakers. Picture quality is quite good too, but the color is not as pop as KS8000. KS8000 sound is poor just like most of the TV out there, but that picture is hard to beat. The 4K looks great, the HDR looks stunning. Your old HU8550 may be good, but you really cannot compare 2014 non-HDR set to 2016 HDR set.


Cannot compare ? For my OTA viewing, I can compare and have.

Spent three hours today on this KS800D and my two HU8550. Wrote down all the settings on the three sets. The KS800D now has 75% of the quality of the HU8550 55" and 65% of the quality of the 60: HU8550.

KS800D ISSUES
1. Sound not as good as the HU8550
2. Whites are not white
3. Motion vibration or stuttering, which is not present in the HU8550. Movement occurs in steps, and is not smooth like the HU8550
4. Artifacts in white letters (pix taken)
5. Blacks are not as black as the HU8550
6. Colors not as vibrant as HU8550, and rising the Color to 100 does not completely cure this. Flesh tones slightly orange.


QUESTIONS
1. How to make the blacks blacker?
2. How to make the whites whiter ?
3. How to reduce or eliminate white lettering artifacts?
4. How to reduce or eliminate video stuttering?



CURRENT SETTINGS KS800D

Movie
18
Bright 18-23
Contrast 100
Sharp 70
Col 58
Tint 48/52
DCV off
AMP off
SLED high
Film mode off
DC High
Col Tone Std

White Bal
2 pt.
R off -7
G off -6
B off -8
R gain -1
G gain -1
B gain -4

10 pt.
10% (RGB) -13 -14 -15
20% -11 -11 -13
30% 0 -1 -1
40% 3 3 10
50% -4 -3 -1
60% -8 -8 -9
70% -10 -9 -6
80% -12 -9 -7
90% -7 -6 -8
100% -1 -3 -8

Gamma 0
RGB off
Color Space Custom
Mag (RGB) 38 8 48
Cyan 20 46 55
Yellow 54 52 6
Blue 0 3 60
Green 22 55 6
Red 40 8 2

Sound Speaker, Std
Audio Dolby Dig (? should this be PCM?)
Delay 40
Auto vol off
Send feedback off
EcoSensor off
Energy Saving off
Auto power off

Software 1114 with no update available.
I can't help but notice that you appear to have copied the rtings.com white balance and color settings for this model. I will paste here the text that immediately precedes the images containing these settings:

***The following are the results of the white balance and colorspace calibration on our unit. You can try copying our values for these, but we don't recommend them as they vary per individual unit, so they might not be good, even for the same model and same size as the TV we reviewed. If you want to try them you will need to enter all values shown, as all of them are active at the same time. If you end up with worse picture quality, simply reset them to the default values.***
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(If all else fails I can always spend all my money on the LG OLED 65"!)
Depends on what size KS you wanna get. But when I compare the price I got mine for ($2700) versus the current amazon price of the KS8500 $2200. I would consider that a bad choice to go with the KS when you consider that price. But I don't want to poo on the KS because it looks like a great TV. Having said that, it's all about the best PQ for the price when you shop.

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Oh and I was just reading this page. Where can I download the LG chess demo? Considering I bought a dern 4K LG OLED, I should be entitled to this demo any way. PM me please!
Look here and scroll down until you find link.

Master List of currently available 4k HDR titles, will be updated often.
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I bought a Sony Bravia 65" X850D two weeks ago, and I've basically decided I can't live with it so it's going back to Best Buy for something else. In the same price range is this Samsung (KS8000) and the Vizio P65-C1 (which doesn't seem to actually exist for sale right now). My main gripe with the Sony is mostly due to my viewing angle. The TV is wall mounted, sort of high due to the way the mounts attached to the back (~5.5' to TV center from the ground). My main TV watching spot is on a perpendicular couch to the right of the TV and down. At this angle there is terrible washout of dark scenes and significant light bleed from the opposite (top left) corner. From head on everything looks great, with strong blacks, no obvious light bleed, and good contrast. But my living room can't be rearranged just for a new TV. I tried playing with the settings all I could, but it's an edge lit IPS panel and I think there's nothing more I can do. Can anyone advise whether this Samsung will be similar in that regard? Does anyone have any photos from offset angles, or offset angles and from below? I know this is also an edge-lit set, so I'm concerned I would replace the Sony with this just to end up bringing the Samsung back for the same reason. I like the reviews on the Vizio P series, but it sounds like there are some significant quality control issues, and the whole SmartCast thing is a turnoff as well. Thanks in advance.

(If all else fails I can always spend all my money on the LG OLED 65"!)
Both the Vizio and the Samsung are VA panels in 65". You can expect them to be a lot worse than your Sony IPS.
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New KS8000 (65") owner

So I have had the new set now for a handful of days, and have some early observations/questions. I also have a couple of 8-series Samsung LEDs from the past few years, so am comparing to previous LEDs, although this is my first step into 4k. Also, I am using the rtings.com settings for the most part, with very minor tweaks.

DirecTV
  • Seamless integration with the TV recognizing my setup, and controlling the guide, menus, etc. with the Samsung remote. I am not sure how much I will really use this, but it was nice that it was a significant upgrade from previous models in its ability to integrate with other devices.
  • Whenever your receiver is reset, not only do you need to verify the internal menu settings for video, but you also need to ensure that any resolution settings on the box itself (front panel buttons) are set properly as hard resets tend to default the box back to a very low resolution, resulting in soft or blurry content and menus.
  • Sharpness - I almost never put my sharpness above 0, and with previous setups have had little to no issues and enjoyed spectacular content in all aspects. In navigating through the guide and menus on DirecTV, I actually moved my sharpness up to 10 and saw the same results I had in previous sets, so will be sticking with that for a few days to see the overall impact of that setting.
  • Lastly, I am expecting the new DirecTV boxes (My current HD DVR Boxes are being replaced) to show up and be installed today, which will give me the 4k Genie and 4k Genie Mini setup so that I will be able to view this provider's 4k content. I am sure my settings/experience with DTV will be adjusted with the new hardware. I appreciate any feedback other users might have regarding the same DTV setup and their experience with this TV.

HDR
  • So I tested this morning, some of the items identified earlier in the thread regarding our ability to verify whether or not we are watching HDR content. For the most part, I used the Amazon Prime app on the TV to view content, and was surprised I hadn't noticed the change before. My backlighting was in fact set to 20 when viewing the content whereas my default setting for movie mode is 5. The picture was amazing - didn't really find a need to adjust or tweak any settings in that mode as the viewing was brilliant.
  • I did not, however, see any notification on my TV that I was viewing HDR content. When I attempted to pull up the INFO icon from the number menu, nothing came up. Someone screen captured their notification that popped up automatically when HDR was being presented, but I saw nothing at all on my screen. No setting within the menu seems to enable/disable this type of notification.

BluRay Player
Anyone have a specific model of BluRay player that they recommend for this set?

I will post more as my experience with this new TV continues, and I appreciate the activity and contributions from the other board members - this is a great thread with lots of helpful information!
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So I have had the new set now for a handful of days, and have some early observations/questions. I also have a couple of 8-series Samsung LEDs from the past few years, so am comparing to previous LEDs, although this is my first step into 4k. Also, I am using the rtings.com settings for the most part, with very minor tweaks.

DirecTV
  • Seamless integration with the TV recognizing my setup, and controlling the guide, menus, etc. with the Samsung remote. I am not sure how much I will really use this, but it was nice that it was a significant upgrade from previous models in its ability to integrate with other devices.
  • Whenever your receiver is reset, not only do you need to verify the internal menu settings for video, but you also need to ensure that any resolution settings on the box itself (front panel buttons) are set properly as hard resets tend to default the box back to a very low resolution, resulting in soft or blurry content and menus.
  • Sharpness - I almost never put my sharpness above 0, and with previous setups have had little to no issues and enjoyed spectacular content in all aspects. In navigating through the guide and menus on DirecTV, I actually moved my sharpness up to 10 and saw the same results I had in previous sets, so will be sticking with that for a few days to see the overall impact of that setting.
  • Lastly, I am expecting the new DirecTV boxes (My current HD DVR Boxes are being replaced) to show up and be installed today, which will give me the 4k Genie and 4k Genie Mini setup so that I will be able to view this provider's 4k content. I am sure my settings/experience with DTV will be adjusted with the new hardware. I appreciate any feedback other users might have regarding the same DTV setup and their experience with this TV.

HDR
  • So I tested this morning, some of the items identified earlier in the thread regarding our ability to verify whether or not we are watching HDR content. For the most part, I used the Amazon Prime app on the TV to view content, and was surprised I hadn't noticed the change before. My backlighting was in fact set to 20 when viewing the content whereas my default setting for movie mode is 5. The picture was amazing - didn't really find a need to adjust or tweak any settings in that mode as the viewing was brilliant.
  • I did not, however, see any notification on my TV that I was viewing HDR content. When I attempted to pull up the INFO icon from the number menu, nothing came up. Someone screen captured their notification that popped up automatically when HDR was being presented, but I saw nothing at all on my screen. No setting within the menu seems to enable/disable this type of notification.

BluRay Player
Anyone have a specific model of BluRay player that they recommend for this set?

I will post more as my experience with this new TV continues, and I appreciate the activity and contributions from the other board members - this is a great thread with lots of helpful information!
Interesting, glad it's working well with your direcTV. I wasn't that lucky, granted our equipment from DTV is brand new but Samsung can't seem to find the new equipment. Hopefully a later firmware update will fix it.
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Thank ye kindly. I want to use that to show off my TV when friends come over. LOL. I think companies should pack in the same demo they show in the store. It doesn't make sense you can't play that demo when you get home.

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I did not, however, see any notification on my TV that I was viewing HDR content. When I attempted to pull up the INFO icon from the number menu, nothing came up. Someone screen captured their notification that popped up automatically when HDR was being presented, but I saw nothing at all on my screen. No setting within the menu seems to enable/disable this type of notification.
I've only noticed the HDR notification in two cases. First, it appears when an HDR video is being played from an HDMI source (Shield TV in my instance). Second, it displays when an HDR video is being played from a USB stick plugged into the One Connect. I have never seen this happen with the TV's Netflix or Amazon apps.

The Info button rarely works for me.
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can someone clarify local dimming on this set for me? It scored a 5.5 on rtings. I'm actually pretty impressed an edge lit TV can score such a high contrast ratio. So congrats to Samsung on that one. My question is, I want to enjoy the highest contrast possible from near black all the way to really bright colors in the same scene. Do I want local dimming on or off? How does it effect the black levels and peak brightness when it is on compared to being off?

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I've only noticed the HDR notification in two cases. First, it appears when an HDR video is being played from an HDMI source (Shield TV in my instance). Second, it displays when an HDR video is being played from a USB stick plugged into the One Connect. I have never seen this happen with the TV's Netflix or Amazon apps.

The Info button rarely works for me.
Ditto, but I think the Info button shows HDR when I play an HDR video with the Amazon app. on the K8500 4K Blu-ray player I have attached - via HDMI, of course.

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Hey guys. So I finally got my 65 inch 8000 the other day. Love it so far. Only thing is it might actually be too big so I'm thinking about switching to the 60. I can't believe I'm actually thinking about going smaller. The viewing distance is about 9-9.5 feet. I've looked at all the viewing distance charts online and I'm obviously within the recommended range for this screen size. Just feels like the width might be a little too much. Is this something I will get used to or is it better to just switch to something a little more comfortable? I know this is a personal preference but I'd love to hear any thoughts.
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