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I currently have a panasonic 50 inch vt20. I'm was wondering if the ks8000 (55 inch) is truly an upgrade from a vt20 panasonic plasma?
Has anyone gone from a panny plasma vt series to a ks8000? any thoughts?
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I suppose if they don't match the $997.99 price Sunday I'll buy one from Costco and return my Best Buy TV. Then they get to sell an open box for about the same price that I was requesting be matched but lose a customer for the future. I thought the whole idea behind price matching was to prevent this.

If TV ends up having zero defects it may be worth it to keep.
That's the point I keep talking to people at Costco about. They have a 90 day return, so the price match should be the same amount. Its like you said, if they don't price match, they get a used TV back, so just make people happy. They take care of me, I guess that's why its my 3rd TV from them. It doesn't hurt they know me pretty well over there also.

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I currently have a panasonic 50 inch vt20. I'm was wondering if the ks8000 (55 inch) is truly an upgrade from a vt20 panasonic plasma?
Has anyone gone from a panny plasma vt series to a ks8000? any thoughts?
I had exactely the same thing UT50 and was asking myself the same question. When I had the KS8000 and i tried movies like Luke Cage on Netflix i was somehow impressed but the plasma was good enough and not worth the upgrade i thought. I than returned it because I considered the motion blur to be a bit overwhelming i was watching sports, playing games and everything seemed to judder and it was just bad especially in game mode where u cant control the bluriness. I also wasen't so impressed with the black levels too be honnest they were deep but not enough to make me say wow this lools amazing..
I than returned it for the Ks8500, SO far I have watched Luke Cage over again and i can tell u it's super immersive and the picture is outstanding . THe black levels this time really impress me , i think the 0.05 or so difference makes a huge one just like when subwoofer can go 19 hz low insted of 24 hz ...that extra 5 hz makes u say wow this is great !

DOes it beat the Plasma i'm not sure but every scene was spectacular and I loved the bLack level 2 . ALl i can tell u is go for the KS8500 the extra black level is really worth it. ONly thing i hate is the curve , even if it'S more immersive i dont like seeing a tv that is curved infront of me looks mishaped. Other than that get the KS8500, i even think it's close to beating my plasma in some aspects like brightness etc..
Tried HDR however in some PS4 games and it crushes black and is still in early stages. I hope it gets better for games. Maybe if you only watch movies u should get the Vizio P series (not the 55' inch however wich is another panel). I heard people complain that the color on the VIzio dosent pop but i dont think its that bad + the black levels are better apparently and it's flat. Only reason i didnt get the Vizio is cause HDR gaming will lag a lot at more than 50 MS...but if you dont game it's great apparently.

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I had exactely the same thing UT50 and was asking myself the same question. When I had the KS8000 and i tried movies like Luke Cage on Netflix i was somehow impressed but the plasma was good enough and not worth the upgrade i thought. I than returned it because I considered the motion blur to be a bit overwhelming i was watching sports, playing games and everything seemed to judder and it was just bad especially in game mode where u cant control the bluriness. I also wasen't so impressed with the black levels too be honnest they were deep but not enough to make me say wow this lools amazing..
I than returned it for the Ks8500, SO far I have watched Luke Cage over again and i can tell u it's super immersive and the picture is outstanding . THe black levels this time really impress me , i think the 0.05 or so difference makes a huge one just like when subwoofer can go 19 hz low insted of 24 hz ...that extra 5 hz makes u say wow this is great !

DOes it beat the Plasma i'm not sure but every scene was spectacular and I loved the bLack level 2 . ALl i can tell u is go for the KS8500 the extra black level is really worth it. ONly thing i hate is the curve , even if it'S more immersive i dont like seeing a tv that is curved infront of me looks mishaped. Other than that get the KS8500, i even think it's close to beating my plasma in some aspects like brightness etc..
Tried HDR however in some PS4 games and it crushes black and is still in early stages. I hope it gets better for games. Maybe if you only watch movies u should get the Vizio P series (not the 55' inch however wich is another panel). I heard people complain that the color on the VIzio dosent pop but i dont think its that bad + the black levels are better apparently and it's flat. Only reason i didnt get the Vizio is cause HDR gaming will lag a lot at more than 50 MS...but if you dont game it's great apparently.
thanks so much for the response. Other than the ks8500 being a curved version of the ks8000, you mentioned that the 8500 had better blacks?
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I currently have a panasonic 50 inch vt20. I'm was wondering if the ks8000 (55 inch) is truly an upgrade from a vt20 panasonic plasma?
Has anyone gone from a panny plasma vt series to a ks8000? any thoughts?
Just replaced my 58Vt25 Panasonic Plasma for 65KS8500 and am very pleased with PQ of Samsung vs Plasma. Upscaling is truly stunning with Comcast 1080i vs plasma.
My plasma was starting to make clicking noises which became very annoying and I pulled plug for newer 4K tech and glad I did.
Black levels are great on Samsung. I found PQ of plasma to be to dull and changed my opinion of what I want to see in viewing experience.
KS series with Quantum dot and HDR10 specs blew me away.
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FYI Newegg has the UN65KS8000 for $1379

https://slickdeals.net/f/9314171-65-...-free-shipping
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That's for js9000 though. Should that work for he KS8000?
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Just got this TV and love it so far. Got HDR working on Xbox One S with Gears 4, and on PS4 Pro with Uncharted 4. The only issue is that Titanfall 2 doesn't give me the HDR TV notification like the other two did.

Any ideas? PS4 Pro is all good to go for HDR (thus Uncharted working).
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thanks so much for the response. Other than the ks8500 being a curved version of the ks8000, you mentioned that the 8500 had better blacks?
I really notice that the KS8500 has better blacks yes , i tought the KS8000 was a huge step up over the JU7500 that I owned for one year but it didn't amaze me . THe ks8500 are very close to my plasma however .

One thing i didnt mention is I had the KS800D from Costco wich in theory is the same has KS8000 . However i found this site one minute ago , where they review all the samsungs and they gave the best score to the KS8500. I disagree with the reviewer who love to watch curved tv from angles however i find it distracting ...
I

0.014 cd/m2 for the KS8500
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0.016 for the KS8000
i guess beneeth 0.015 i start feeling impressed ...
there are almost the same but for some reason it seems more to my eyes maybe because the curve hads contrast who knows..but im more impressed for sure especially in movies picture seems to pop more..

http://www.buytvsmart.com/samsung-ks8500-review/

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I currently have a panasonic 50 inch vt20. I'm was wondering if the ks8000 (55 inch) is truly an upgrade from a vt20 panasonic plasma?
Has anyone gone from a panny plasma vt series to a ks8000? any thoughts?
It's going to depend on what qualities you appreciate about your plasma, and how serious you are about 4K/HDR. If you watch movies in a dark room, and can appreciate the shadow detail capabilities of your plasma, then you won't find the KS to be an upgrade. If your room is lit, and you want a TV that can get bright, and looks good on brighter content, then the KS will be an upgrade. Someone in this thread was saying that their KS was an upgrade to their VT60, but I can't see that in any scenario other than a bright room with bright content. I have an ST30 and an ST60 (both calibrated) and while the KS is an upgrade to the ST30 in a bright room with bright content, it doesn't quite match it in a dark room imo. I began the process of calibrating the KS8000, but with just a 2pt calibration, it had dE's under 2, so I feel it's a valid comparison. I would have to be watching TV in a really bright room to prefer the KS over my ST60 though. The blacks are really good for an LCD, but it's still not a plasma in that regard.

As for 4K/HDR, I watch from about 9 feet away, and I would have to be much closer to see any kind of difference between 1080p and 4K. As for HDR, I haven't watched enough content to make a good judgement, but I wasn't as impressed as I hoped to be from what little I saw. HDR exposes the weaknesses of edgelit backlighting.

I'll probably get attacked again for my opinion, but there it is.
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I've had my 65KS8000 for a few days now, and while it's an overall brilliant TV, I've noticed some issues.

CE Dimming is active even in movie mode (where it dims the screen when dark material is displayed), and using Smart LED even on its Low setting creates clipping, no matter how low you put the contrast. I set contrast to 30 just to test, and with certain material (Deus Ex Mankind Divided) I get aggressive clipping on lamps as soon as I set Smart LED to Low or High. I thought Smart LED was just local dimming? Apparently it's also dynamic contrast. Feels unnecessary when they already have a separate Dynamic Contrast option.

Also, Tizen is generally a bit glitchy, where input labels can get stuck in PC mode, requiring me to switch to PC and then back to Game Console or Bluray Player for them to act like they should. Another thing is how PC mode doesn't have Color Space options, making it practically unusable as 99,9999% of material displayed on a computer is sRGB.

But apart from those problems, I'm pleasantly surprised by how good it is. The panel uniformity on my TV is good, and the moth eye filter is effective. Very nice hardware, but software that needs work.
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It's going to depend on what qualities you appreciate about your plasma, and how serious you are about 4K/HDR. If you watch movies in a dark room, and can appreciate the shadow detail capabilities of your plasma, then you won't find the KS to be an upgrade. If your room is lit, and you want a TV that can get bright, and looks good on brighter content, then the KS will be an upgrade. Someone in this thread was saying that their KS was an upgrade to their VT60, but I can't see that in any scenario other than a bright room with bright content. I have an ST30 and an ST60 (both calibrated) and while the KS is an upgrade to the ST30 in a bright room with bright content, it doesn't quite match it in a dark room imo. I began the process of calibrating the KS8000, but with just a 2pt calibration, it had dE's under 2, so I feel it's a valid comparison. I would have to be watching TV in a really bright room to prefer the KS over my ST60 though.

As for 4K/HDR, I watch from about 9 feet away, and I would have to be much closer to see any kind of difference between 1080p and 4K. As for HDR, I haven't watched enough content to make a good judgement, but I wasn't as impressed as I hoped to be from what little I saw. HDR exposes the weaknesses of edgelit backlighting.

I'll probably get attacked again for my opinion, but there it is.
you probavly will get attacked but i agree with u 100%. These tv's are also overpriced I remember getting my plama for like 700 new and 5 years later it's still hard to beat even against 2500 dollars and up tvs. Even if gaming on my plama is worse cause of the high imput lag the flawless motion makes it a lot more immersive. Overall Samsung is a great tv but not sure if it's an upgrade like many claim it to be. Nowadays u pay for Smart tv, curves, quantum dot, HDR, 120 hz , local dimming, 4k...Plasma had none of these and is still better or equal..

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Well I took some pics of my new 65KS8000 with my crappy iPhone 4S. I have the FA01 panel with no bezel separation and zero backlight bleed in a dark room with black screen. These pics were taken in Standard mode with backlight at 10, brightness at 45 and contrast at 85. Seems there's some yellow banding but I don't know if this is normal? Maybe my phone makes it look worse than it is?

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I really notice that the KS8500 has better blacks yes , i tought the KS8000 was a huge step up over the JU7500 that I owned for one year but it didn't amaze me . THe ks8500 are very close to my plasma however .

One thing i didnt mention is I had the KS800D from Costco wich in theory is the same has KS8000 . However i found this site one minute ago , where they review all the samsungs and they gave the best score to the KS8500. I disagree with the reviewer who love to watch curved tv from angles however i find it distracting ...
I

0.014 cd/m2 for the KS8500
vs
0.016 for the KS8000
i guess beneeth 0.015 i start feeling impressed ...
there are almost the same but for some reason it seems more to my eyes maybe because the curve hads contrast who knows..but im more impressed for sure especially in movies picture seems to pop more..

http://www.buytvsmart.com/samsung-ks8500-review/
I hate to be the one to point it out, but those black measurements are not real world. I put a meter to mine, and there is no way to recreate blacks that low using APL windows. .025 was what I was getting with APL windows. That means that for the majority of the content the blacks are at .025. I did get a .0148 black measurement, but only when there was a tiny bit of something on the screen. IE a mouse cursor at the bottom corner. Cnet also measured a .007fl which would be roughly .025 nits, so it's not just me.

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That's for js9000 though. Should that work for he KS8000?

Yes, most of it will still apply to the KS Series models.



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I'll add my $.02 concerning Costco. Aside from the 90 day return time, IMHO their version of the TV has two advantages: the gun-metal finish (instead of shiny chrome), and the 2 year warranty (instead of 1 year). BB is shiny chrome and 1 year.

And, as opposed to those that order one online, I was able to look through the boxes and get an AA02 panel, and I made sure I got one that showed no damage to the box. If I don't like the TV, I can just take it back and get another one.

Yeah, I get that those that order online pay no tax, but I think the above advantages out-weigh that.
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On the free months of HBO Now that come with the Samsung KS TVs, can you redeem it and use the code on other devices or just your TV's HBO Now ap?

I have 6 months free HBO on DIrectv, so no need for it, so I would like to give it to someone. Per the instructions, you register your TV at Samsung then Samsung gives you a code for X free months pm HBO Now.

Anyone know if the code would work on someone else's device like a Roku etc.? If I get the code and give it to someone else would that work?
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FYI Newegg has the UN65KS8000 for $1379

https://slickdeals.net/f/9314171-65-...-free-shipping
Just my luck. I have been eyeing this TV for several weeks and watching the prices online. I just bought one earlier today at Costco assuming I would go back in a few days and get the price adjustment to $1479. I just got it all setup and mounted on a new wall mount. Now I'm debating if I should try to pack it up and take it back and order one from Newegg for $100 less (plus no tax). Packing this thing up is going to be such a pain in the butt. Now I can't decide what to do.

EDIT....

One thing I do need to keep in mind is that Costco has the two year warranty and by using my Costco Visa, they extend the warranty to 4 years for free. That may be worth the extra $100.
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4K isn't all its cracked up to be. You need to be MUCH closer to the TV in order to tell the difference. But then cable looks like absolute garbage. HDR is where its at though. I love the brightness and the colors of this TV as well.
I sit around 11 or 12 feet from my 65". The difference in resolution is mind-bindingly obvious with native 4K from a GOOD source. I could probably be 15-16 feet away and still tell the difference.

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My $1179.00 55KS8000 is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow that I purchases on BestBuy.com. I spoke to Best Buy via chat and they won't match (Nov 13) $997 it even though I haven't even received my TV yet. Costco and Best Buy are about 1 mile apart where I live.

For $200.00 less, I can get a year membership to Costco and $150.00 back in my pocket.
It's not the same model at Costco. Even if it's the same panel and the same software and the same design, the color of the bezel and legs are different, and the model NUMER is different, and that's for precisely that reason - harder/impossible to price match.
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Just my luck. I have been eyeing this TV for several weeks and watching the prices online. I just bought one earlier today at Costco assuming I would go back in a few days and get the price adjustment to $1479. I just got it all setup and mounted on a new wall mount. Now I'm debating if I should try to pack it up and take it back and order one from Newegg for $100 less (plus no tax). Packing this thing up is going to be such a pain in the butt. Now I can't decide what to do.

EDIT....

One thing I do need to keep in mind is that Costco has the two year warranty and by using my Costco Visa, they extend the warranty to 4 years for free. That may be worth the extra $100.
If you used a credit card, call them and see if they have a price protection policy on your account. They'll refund the difference.

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Driving me crazy

This TV - the KS8500 - has a great picture, and great features.....but the input select/edit/setup is driving me so crazy I might have to ditch it!!

I had a JS8500 - and it had none of these problems.

I have a basic system:

- HD Tivo Roamio Pro on HDMI 1

- Samsung UHD Blu Ray on HDMI 2

- NVidia Shield on HDMI 3

- Apple TV on HDMI 4

First, it cannot figure out that the Tivo is a 'cable box.' and it gets lost in a cycle between determining whether I actually have live TV,via cable or antenna or the Tivo - or whether it's all about Verizon.

- Second, it cannot 'identify' anything but the Apple TV...but a day later? That's been erased and I'm back to square one.

- Third, I label everything and then a half day later the labels are all gone, and I'm back to 'HDMI 1,' etc....

- Fourth, after I labeled HDMI 1 as the HD Tivo - I look up to see that both HDMI 1 AND HDMI 3 have the Tivo name.

Come on!

Is there some secret technique to labeling something and making it stick? And is there no way to use a HD Tivo with this set, so it knows what the heck it is???????

Jeez!
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I hate to be the one to point it out, but those black measurements are not real world. I put a meter to mine, and there is no way to recreate blacks that low using APL windows. .025 was what I was getting with APL windows. That means that for the majority of the content the blacks are at .025. I did get a .0148 black measurement, but only when there was a tiny bit of something on the screen. IE a mouse cursor at the bottom corner. Cnet also measured a .007fl which would be roughly .025 nits, so it's not just me.
so does this mean that last year models meaning the JU7500 had better or equal black levels cause they were measured at 0.030 ...im confused. cause to me they are definatly not as good.

if your able to get 0.0148 than it means the tv is capable of displayig at that level so it means black are deeper. U usually take the lowest possible measurement to determine the max level of blacks..i believe. So if the majority of a display isn't at that level well it dosen't mean that the tv can't dig deeper for content that demand it.

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The second that the new Vizio P hit stores hundreds of posts proclaimed it the "winner" and that the Samsung's, despite no owner experience, were dead upon arrival. I'm not a fan of the whole "casting" approach and still very much interested in staying with Samsung. My only decision is keep my JS8500 or exchange for a KS model. My local Best Buy isn't making it easy because despite having stock they claim there won't be floor models until April 9 or 10.
I also had the Js8500 for a week and i say exchange it the movie quality is no way near the same level . I watched movies on the Js8500 and the picture was just average because the black levels are not incredibly deep.ON the KS u will have a better contrast therefore a better viewing experience. I would go for the KS8500 however even if the KS8000 is pretty close ...

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so does this mean that last year models meaning the JU7500 had better or equal black levels cause they were measured at 0.030 ...im confused. cause to me they are definatly not as good.
Rtings measured .032 for the JU, that was with a lower peak nits also, that would be a noticable difference. My ST30 measures .019 nits at 0% black, and there's a noticeable difference between it and the KS as well.

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if your able to get 0.0148 than it means the tv is capable of displayig at that level so it means black are deeper. U usually take the lowest possible measurement to determine the max level of blacks..i believe. So if the majority of a display isn't at that level well it dosen't mean that the tv can't dig deeper for content that demand it.
It's not capable of displaying .0148 nits in 99% of situations though, how deep its blacks can get are irrelevant if it cannot do it with normal content on the screen.

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Rtings measured .032 for the JU, that was with a lower peak nits also, that would be a noticable difference. My ST30 measures .019 nits at 0% black, and there's a noticeable difference between it and the KS as well.

maybe rting measures it with local dimming on high?

so rting dosen't measure at 0% black what is the difference with there measurement compared to yours?

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Looks like I will be joining the ranks soon. Got a GREAT deal on a 55" KS8000 (see slickdeals and their KS8000 EPP thread). I had a chance to pay twice as much and get an 4K LG Oled for $1500, but I couldn't justify it at the time as I have some shopping to do for my kiddos. According to RTINGs review this tv meets all my required performance standards + low input lag vs LG's Oleds & great pc monitor performance to boot.

Anyways I am coming from having a 2012 ES8000 that was starting to crap out. A couple colorless dead pixel looking blue vertical streaks on the screen brought on by a bad power supply issue. Still works but annoying to watch it and see that all the time. It's been out of warranty for awhile and the fix was going to cost me two or three hundred anyway.

I was super skeptical of the 4K Hype train, but now that prices have come down and deals are to be had this time of year - it looks like I will give it a shot. I'm a huge 3D fan, so missing out on that here, but I always use my Benq projector for 3D movies anyway.

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so rting dosen't measure at 0% black what is the difference with there measurement compared to yours?
That's a good question, I actually emailed them to see. They are claiming ANSI, but I just don't see how that's possible, also when I said 0% black for the ST30, it will do it in any scenario, ANSI, APL windows, whatever, the blacks do not budge. AUO and Samsung make a lot of VA panels, but these sets being reviewed at Rtings are the only place I've ever seen a VA panel be measured at 7000:1 native contrast. Cnet measured the same black level that I did, and they've been doing it for a lot longer. Either one of them is measuring wrong, or there's a significant difference in contrast between the different panel versions.

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Does anyone know how the 65ks8500 or 60ks8000 (7 series here in Philippines I believe) stack up better against the 65hu9000 WITHOUT the SEK-3500? I need to know whether or not it is worth contemplating getting a new set just for HDR on PS4 Pro.
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A couple of questions:
1) Does anyone know how to see the signal strength of channels for OTA? I can't seem to find it.
2) Also for OTA, how do you edit (remove) channels that you don't want?

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I currently have a panasonic 50 inch vt20. I'm was wondering if the ks8000 (55 inch) is truly an upgrade from a vt20 panasonic plasma?

Has anyone gone from a panny plasma vt series to a ks8000? any thoughts?


I went from the 50VT25 to the 55KS8000 and couldn't be happier. If you didn't do anything to address the rising black level on your plasma, going to the 8000 will blow you away with the black level.
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