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Folks does the 1180 update has the 1154/1155 picture quality pop effect back?? . Like a 'wow' effect thing (even though it could be placebo). I am on 1167 and I regretted updating from 1154.

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Really can't tell any difference. My PQ has remained constant since out of the box.
Same here. I've never noticed a change in PQ. I don't have before/after photos to compare or meter readings, but I set up my TV based off imagicks settings and tweaked them slightly to get it the way I prefer. Since then, through various updates, I've never felt the need to tweak the settings, it's always looked just the way I set it.

gambaa feels his PQ changed and he lost some 'wow', but admits it might be placebo. It would be a shame if the PQ stayed exactly the same and he is enjoying his TV less for no reason If this is the case, 1180 may look exactly the same as 1167 (which may have been exactly the same as 1154), so upgrading to 1180 may not give you the 'wow' back since you may not have lost it in the first place - you may just have gotten 'used to it'. With the positive feedback about 1180 tho, you might feel a lot better about your TV, so might be worth giving a shot!
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Same here. I've never noticed a change in PQ. I don't have before/after photos to compare or meter readings, but I set up my TV based off imagicks settings and tweaked them slightly to get it the way I prefer.
Hi, do you have a link for imagicks settings for the KS TV?
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Hi, do you have a link for imagicks settings for the KS TV?
Samsung UN65KS9800 Ultra HD FALD LCD Review

I started out with SDR BT.709 Dark Room - 120 nits and HDR Dark Room (Movie mode) - 1000 nits then adjusted from there. He tested a higher model TV, but from what I've read in this forum the settings apply. I've been happy with them, with a couple small tweaks.


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Samsung UN65KS9800 Ultra HD FALD LCD Review

I started out with SDR BT.709 Dark Room - 120 nits and HDR Dark Room (Movie mode) - 1000 nits then adjusted from there. He tested a higher model TV, but from what I've read in this forum the settings apply. I've been happy with them, with a couple small tweaks.

Thanks. For dark room, in HDR, he recommends 14 backlight. That would help with black bar blooming, but would it clip peak bright whites? Anyone know?
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Thanks. For dark room, in HDR, he recommends 14 backlight. That would help with black bar blooming, but would it clip peak bright whites? Anyone know?
Changing the backlight seems to impact tone mapping performance. Watch HDTVTest's videos on tone mapping. There's no industry standard for how it should be done, so there's no objective way to say it's right or wrong, but reducing the backlight definitely impacts highlight detail in real content. I guess you could call that clipping, as detail isn't resolving as fully, but I think it's more complex than that.

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Changing the backlight seems to impact tone mapping performance. Watch HDTVTest's videos on tone mapping. There's no industry standard for how it should be done, so there's no objective way to say it's right or wrong, but reducing the backlight definitely impacts highlight detail in real content. I guess you could call that clipping, as detail isn't resolving as fully, but I think it's more complex than that.
Thanks.

I found a reply in the actual quoted thread:

Samsung UN65KS9800 Ultra HD FALD LCD Review

where imagic stated, "- Adjusting the backlight does not clip content or change how tone mapping is applied."

So not sure what to think.

I guess I will try it at 14 and wait for a bright shot of clouds or something, then I could turn it up to 20 to see if more details are shown.

Anyone know of an HDR youtube video that has some peak bright white objects that would be good for such a test?
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Thanks.

I guess I will try it at 14 and wait for a bright shot of clouds or something, then I could turn it up to 20 to see if more details are shown.

Anyone know of an HDR youtube video that has some peak bright white objects that would be good for such a test?

Interesting. I've been running at backlight 14 for HDR and don't feel like I have any clipping. I'm curious to see what you think when you test this out.
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I guess I will try it at 14 and wait for a bright shot of clouds or something, then I could turn it up to 20 to see if more details are shown.

Anyone know of an HDR youtube video that has some peak bright white objects that would be good for such a test?
If you have the UHD disc of Batman Vs Superman, you can use this scene which Vincent talks about which has the detail in the white shirt, with the very bright bolts of lighting in the background: (9m 51s into this vid, but watch it all)

The scene in question appears at 1h 9m into the movie.

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If you have the UHD disc of Batman Vs Superman, you can use this scene which Vincent talks about which has the detail in the white shirt, with the very bright bolts of lighting in the background: (9m 51s into this vid, but watch it all)
https://youtu.be/Lt6IflKAmWg?t=9m51s

The scene in question appears at 1h 9m into the movie.
Thanks. I do not have it. Ill review a bunch of Youtube HDR looking for a bright white scene.
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1180.5 is on US support site now.
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HDMI/DVI input and ROKU premiere HDR recordings

If I put my new Roku Premiere into any other hdmi input, fine.

But because my universal remote is programmed this way and I have to pay a tech to change it, i need the HDMI/DVI input to properly function with the premiere, to watch HDR recordings on Amazon and Netflix.

It functions properly but every 10 seconds screen goes black and then input info pops up and picture comes back.

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Same here. I've never noticed a change in PQ. I don't have before/after photos to compare or meter readings, but I set up my TV based off imagicks settings and tweaked them slightly to get it the way I prefer. Since then, through various updates, I've never felt the need to tweak the settings, it's always looked just the way I set it.

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Gambaa isn't the only one. I too favored 1154/1155. Still wish I could go backwards.. CTRL Z pls..
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I have updated. I turned on DareDevil to see HDR and now the show looks grainy. I don't remember seeing that before, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there, it just means I don't remember it.


OTA signal looks good, real good. Not sure if it looked that good before the update.


Can someone confirm DareDevil findings before updating?


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I have updated. I turned on DareDevil to see HDR and now the show looks grainy. I don't remember seeing that before, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there, it just means I don't remember it.


OTA signal looks good, real good. Not sure if it looked that good before the update.


Can someone confirm DareDevil findings before updating?


Thanks!
Daredevil and almost all Netflix HDR looks grainy and bad overall in my opinion no matter TV.
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Just saw this article..I wonder if it could mean our KS8000 could receive this update.
https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visi...sole-near-you/

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Just saw this article..I wonder if it could mean our KS8000 could receive this update.
https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visi...sole-near-you/

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Also for those of you with a Roku Premiere+, just got a software update for YouTube and have HDR on some videos. Not all HDR videos are triggering the HDR on the TV but quite a few are.
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UHD Available with VUDU

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I'm now able to stream UHD movies on VUDU.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I'm now able to stream UHD movies on VUDU.

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Does it engage HDR? I thought all Vudu UHD movies are DV

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Daredevil and almost all Netflix HDR looks grainy and bad overall in my opinion no matter TV.
could not agree more, iron fist looks awful in HDR. this HDR thing is nothing but a gimmick like 3D or curved screens and will fade away in time.
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No HDR, DV or otherwise. As far as I can recall, HDR on VUDU was never promised by either VUDU or Samsung (for KS series), just UHD.
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could not agree more, iron fist looks awful in HDR. this HDR thing is nothing but a gimmick like 3D or curved screens and will fade away in time.
HDR on Amazon, Youtube and UHD disc looks great. Netflix is either highly compressing its HDR content and/or its original series are produced to have a grainy look.
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Installed 1180.5 . . .

Installed 1180.5 last night and have been "watching" it. So far no fixes for any of the problems that I have that are getting me a new TV if this update didn't fix them. And it has added a couple issues that weren't there before. I'm gonna give it a couple days to see if anything happens for the better. But so far, not happy with it.
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No HDR, DV or otherwise. As far as I can recall, HDR on VUDU was never promised by either VUDU or Samsung (for KS series), just UHD.
VUDU told me that they are only doing DolbyVision. No ifs, ands or buts. I sent them a listing of all the manufacturers that make TVs in the world and what format they are doing. Out 35 or so, only 6 were doing DolbyVision which is a "pay for" license. Whereas, HDR is Open Source and free AND more apt to have updates and format advancement. I have not gotten any responses from VUDU.
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It works!!!! I had to manually select UHD but it's on! Time to go on a code buying spree
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Only SD and HDX on mine and my playback options in settings are only SD & HDX. What did you originally buy?
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HDR on Amazon, Youtube and UHD disc looks great. Netflix is either highly compressing its HDR content and/or its original series are produced to have a grainy look.


Movies on Google Play seem to look better than Vudu. Possibly because GP is using HLG?
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It works!!!! I had to manually select UHD but it's on! Time to go on a code buying spree
Change your settings within the app to default to UHD.
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could not agree more, iron fist looks awful in HDR. this HDR thing is nothing but a gimmick like 3D or curved screens and will fade away in time.
Sarcasm? If not, that's literally the worst prediction for anything I've ever heard in my life. Sounds like you don't really understand what HDR is.
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