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Yes it very big. I can't imaging how big it is untill i mount it to the wall. Even i came from 78js9500, this baby still very big.
And it have damn good picture quality compare to the js9500.
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Yes it very big. I can't imaging how big it is untill i mount it to the wall. Even i came from 78js9500, this baby still very big.
And it have damn good picture quality compare to the js9500.
Attachment is from "Beauty and The Beast" fullHD movie.
Yeah, you can`t beat FALD picture quality. Ill definitely go 65+ inch for my next tv. Hope i wont have to sell my house for it. The prices are really sky high here in Europe, for the price i pay for 55 here i could get 65 in US, so its not really fair. 88 would cost like my new car i believe. I have a 2.5m seating distance and 55 is good enough but hardly a wow factor. I watched Wonder Woman yesterday in IMAX and then when i returned home i looked at my tv and it looks really tiny

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Yeah, you can`t beat FALD picture quality. Ill definitely go 65+ inch for my next tv. Hope i wont have to sell my house for it. The prices are really sky high here in Europe, for the price i pay for 55 here i could get 65 in US, so its not really fair. 88 would cost like my new car i believe. I have a 2.5m seating distance and 55 is good enough but hardly a wow factor. I watched Wonder Woman yesterday in IMAX and then when i returned home i looked at my tv and it looks really tiny
Yes. I know the price in EU :v. I bought this 88ks9800 because i have a very very good deal. Only 7000 usd.
And my friend was really want to buy my 78js9500 at 4k usd. That why i brave enough to bough the 88
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Yea I do see HDR coming through when I check the inputs and my HDR settings are kicked in but for some reason the notification doesn't show up. Not a big deal I guess
I've had some strange issues with 1180.5 and HDR.

When I'm using my Xbox One S or Roku, HDR will not engage when I'm in Cal-Night/Cal-Day mode. I need to switch to Standard or Movie to get HDR to kick in. And there is no banner notification that HDR is engaged. These issues were not present prior to 1180.5.

Picture quality though is still very nice.

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I've had some strange issues with 1180.5 and HDR.

When I'm using my Xbox One S or Roku, HDR will not engage when I'm in Cal-Night/Cal-Day mode. I need to switch to Standard or Movie to get HDR to kick in. And there is no banner notification that HDR is engaged. These issues were not present prior to 1180.5.

Picture quality though is still very nice.
I'm not using Cal-Night/Day modes but the banner is gone for me as well, I wonder if these issues happened because we're using a Korean firmware version. Either way I hope they'll get fixed.
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I'm not using Cal-Night/Day modes but the banner is gone for me as well, I wonder if these issues happened because we're using a Korean firmware version. Either way I hope they'll get fixed.
Doubt it has anything to do with firmware incompatibility. I upgraded to 1169 and 1170 using files off the Korean Samsung site. I'm sure any issues will be addressed in a future update.

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I've had some strange issues with 1180.5 and HDR.

When I'm using my Xbox One S or Roku, HDR will not engage when I'm in Cal-Night/Cal-Day mode. I need to switch to Standard or Movie to get HDR to kick in. And there is no banner notification that HDR is engaged. These issues were not present prior to 1180.5.

Picture quality though is still very nice.
I'm not having a problem getting HDR 10 with firmware version 1080.5 in any picture mode, whether it be Cal-Day or Night, Movie or Standard. Maybe a factory default reset would clear things up?
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I'm not having a problem getting HDR 10 with firmware version 1080.5 in any picture mode, whether it be Cal-Day or Night, Movie or Standard. Maybe a factory default reset would clear things up?
Just to be clear, no issues with HDR and picture modes when I use the TVs internal apps like Amazon. Only with my external sources (Xbox, Roku and USB drive). Guess a factory reset wouldn't hurt. Thanks.
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The only thing I noticed on firmware 1180 is a small cosmetic update. When playing an HLG video via USB, the HDR tag now appears in the rewind/FF/pause menu. Prior to this update, the HDR mode would automatically kick in, but no HDR tag.

Haven't noticed anything else, positive or negative.
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Issue with HDR video

I am having small issue with HDR video

I suspect its the cable but..

3-4 times during a movie the picture will go black for about 1 second and it will come back on and the HDR banner will be displayed

I am running two HDMI cables from the Samsung 4K player and the sound is never interrupted
It also never loses sync with video and audio...I just lose a second or so of video

I assume the cable the first place to check


Interestingly enough I have never had issue with just about any 6ft brand name cable before

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I am having small issue with HDR video

I suspect its the cable but..

3-4 times during a movie the picture will go black for about 1 second and it will come back on and the HDR banner will be displayed

I am running two HDMI cables from the Samsung 4K player and the sound is never interrupted
It also never loses sync with video and audio...I just lose a second or so of video

I assume the cable the first place to check


Interestingly enough I have never had issue with just about 6ft brand name cable before

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Have u tried a different port?


I'm having an issue with my oppo as well but I don't believe other oppo owners have had this issue, but hdr sometimes isn't working at all, despite the hdr banner with 4k Blu rays. The colors and everything will be very undersaturated. The only fix is to toggle UHD HDMI color on and off and the color comes back properly. It's possible that someone may not even know that hdr isn't working and just assume the movie was graded to have weaker colors, but the difference is actually very large. I am leaning towards it being the tv even though streaming sources don't have the issue.
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Have u tried a different port?


I'm having an issue with my oppo as well but I don't believe other oppo owners have had this issue, but hdr sometimes isn't working at all, despite the hdr banner with 4k Blu rays. The colors and everything will be very undersaturated. The only fix is to toggle UHD HDMI color on and off and the color comes back properly. It's possible that someone may not even know that hdr isn't working and just assume the movie was graded to have weaker colors, but the difference is actually very large. I am leaning towards it being the tv even though streaming sources don't have the issue.
Yes,i have same problem. The screen black out for 1 second.
And sometime when playing HDR titles, my OPPO 205 don't send HDR signal to my TV if the HDR option in Oppo set to Auto.
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Have u tried a different port?


I'm having an issue with my oppo as well but I don't believe other oppo owners have had this issue, but hdr sometimes isn't working at all, despite the hdr banner with 4k Blu rays. The colors and everything will be very undersaturated. The only fix is to toggle UHD HDMI color on and off and the color comes back properly. It's possible that someone may not even know that hdr isn't working and just assume the movie was graded to have weaker colors, but the difference is actually very large. I am leaning towards it being the tv even though streaming sources don't have the issue.
I have not tried a different port

There is no doubt that I am receiving HDR video though...its just has a few seconds of no video signal and then it comes back with the HDR banner in the corner
Strange
Of the four 4K HDR capable TVs I own this is the only one that is doing this
Except for one of them they are all connected to the same player...the samsung 4K player.
I have a Philips 4K player as well
All of them are run with the player directly to the TV and the audio to the AVR or preamp

I will switch the cable first and see if I get an changes in operation

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So with 1180 it looks like Cal Night is broken with HDR. You can select it but it doesn't enable. In other words we lost the best mode to watch HDR
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The good news is that Standard in HDR no longer has slightly worse colors. So if you want a brighter HDR picture Standard is suitable or you can use HDR+. But Cal Night HDR is gone with the HDMI inputs.
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The good news is that Standard in HDR no longer has slightly worse colors. So if you want a brighter HDR picture Standard is suitable or you can use HDR+. But Cal Night HDR is gone with the HDMI inputs.
Whoa that's bad news for me if true. B.c I cant use anything but Cal modes for picture. Any time I go back to other modes, I get the infamous flickering/flashing of the images. Yea those issues were never fixed for me. Can others confirm Cal Night is indeed broken with the new update? Thanks.
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Whoa that's bad news for me if true. B.c I cant use anything but Cal modes for picture. Any time I go back to other modes, I get the infamous flickering/flashing of the images. Yea those issues were never fixed for me. Can others confirm Cal Night is indeed broken with the new update? Thanks.
As far as I can tell Standard looks as good as Cal Night in HDR. It still works in the apps so I switched between the 2 for a bit to compare but I didn't see any differences.
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Whoa that's bad news for me if true. B.c I cant use anything but Cal modes for picture. Any time I go back to other modes, I get the infamous flickering/flashing of the images. Yea those issues were never fixed for me. Can others confirm Cal Night is indeed broken with the new update? Thanks.
As far as I can tell Standard looks as good as Cal Night in HDR. It still works in the apps so I switched between the 2 for a bit to compare but I didn't see any differences.
Its not a matter of looking good, I just cant use any other mode bc they all have flicker issues. So I might wait on this update and see if anybody can confirm this doesnt eliminate cal modes all together.
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Its not a matter of looking good, I just cant use any other mode bc they all have flicker issues. So I might wait on this update and see if anybody can confirm this doesnt eliminate cal modes all together.
It's possible they fixed the flicker too but I dont think I've ever had any of those issues or at least I've never seen it.

I see people in the KS8000 thread mentioning this problem too. Now I feel dumb for being curious and ever upgrading from 1168 Just entered myself into the never ending cycle of hoping for fixes.
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Does anyone else get this effect with dark scenes where you can see the steps of light rather than a natural progression?
I have to turn the HDR+ effect down to like 1 or 2 to get rid of it, I'm using the cal night settings.

Does anyone know of any other setting that can be amended to stop/reduce this?
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Its not a matter of looking good, I just cant use any other mode bc they all have flicker issues. So I might wait on this update and see if anybody can confirm this doesnt eliminate cal modes all together.
b0rnarian,

I installed 1180.5 last night and CalNight for HDR was not switching over to HDR when playing a UHD Blu-Ray disk as it usually does. My Oppo 203 player did show "HDR10" in the upper left hand corner, but still contained my SDR settings. HDR on CalNight did work for Netflix HDR programs. All the other picture modes were switching correctly from SDR to HDR for all HDR sources and kept my HDR settings. Luckily, I haven't had a problem with HDR in Movie mode. Hopefully, this gets corrected in the next update. If I was you, I would turn off Auto Update for now.
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SheldonT.............are your Movie settings on the first page from Feb. 25, 2017 still current or have you re-calibrated since then?
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SheldonT.............are your Movie settings on the first page from Feb. 25, 2017 still current or have you re-calibrated since then?
That was the last time I calibrated Movie settings. Haven't noticed any significant change in picture since. Hopefully, I will have time in the next week to recalibrate and see if there is any significant change. I am using the Movie settings at the present and they are fine. You might have to tweak one or two of the settings to your liking.
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They were probably looking at the profitability and sales numbers of the edge lit LED's while looking at how much they lost on the FALD model
I dont think Samsung is the type of company to post big losses on their TV business like Sony has in the past
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That was the last time I calibrated Movie settings. Haven't noticed any significant change in picture since. Hopefully, I will have time in the next week to recalibrate and see if there is any significant change. I am using the Movie settings at the present and they are fine. You might have to tweak one or two of the settings to your liking.

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Spoiler!

Does anyone else get this effect with dark scenes where you can see the steps of light rather than a natural progression?
I have to turn the HDR+ effect down to like 1 or 2 to get rid of it, I'm using the cal night settings.

Does anyone know of any other setting that can be amended to stop/reduce this?

Those look like "compression artifacts".

What is the source of those images?

Do you still see this with HDR+ turned OFF?

There is not much that can be done to reduce artifacts (color banding/posterization) that are caused by an overly compressed signal as they are contained in the source input signal. You can play around with your TV settings to see if you can minimize them, but you'll never be able to completely eliminate them.


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The Q9 are not cheap, they are VERY expensive and should be FALD..........
Agreed

But they can always overprice them and discount to street pricing

Its always easier to start higher, on a lower cost item, and discount vs having to recover a high manufacturing cost item

They are probably looking at where they are making their money and trying to capitalize on that
That being Edge Lit LED Tv's not FALD

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Samsung 4K player

if anyone can use the outgoing Samsung 4K player

Best Buy has a VERY nice price on the refurbished unit. Free shipping and it comes with a 1 year warranty

Funny how quick this model has come down in less than 12 months.....

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That was the last time I calibrated Movie settings. Haven't noticed any significant change in picture since. Hopefully, I will have time in the next week to recalibrate and see if there is any significant change. I am using the Movie settings at the present and they are fine. You might have to tweak one or two of the settings to your liking.
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In your experience, have you found different calibration "results" after a firmware update?

My unit was calibrated by Kevin Miller back in October 16. I think the version at that time was 112?. I specifically asked him if updated firmware could or would effect the outcome of his calibration. He informed me it would not.

I think King Richard chimed in on this a while back and stating - correctly so - that the calibration settings themselves would not be changed by firmware updates, but the resulting "outcome" of those settings could be effected.

Nevertheless, I have not noticed any difference in picture after a firmware update, and I've gone through a number (6?) of them already.

So, if you find that your calibration settings change from say (hypothetically) a 2 point white balance R offset from -5 to -6, I would attribute that to something other than a firmware update. But, on the hand, if you are seeing a change of say -5 to + 7, I think this would be rather peculiar and interesting (for me at least) to know.

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In your experience, have you found different calibration "results" after a firmware update?

My unit was calibrated by Kevin Miller back in October 16. I think the version at that time was 112?. I specifically asked him if updated firmware could or would effect the outcome of his calibration. He informed me it would not.

I think King Richard chimed in on this a while back and stating - correctly so - that the calibration settings themselves would not be changed by firmware updates, but the resulting "outcome" of those settings could be effected.

Nevertheless, I have not noticed any difference in picture after a firmware update, and I've gone through a number (6?) of them already.

So, if you find that your calibration settings change from say (hypothetically) a 2 point white balance R offset from -5 to -6, I would attribute that to something other than a firmware update. But, on the hand, if you are seeing a change of say -5 to + 7, I think this would be rather peculiar and interesting (for me at least) to know.

Thanks.
hal250, King Richard is correct. Your settings won't change after a firmware update, but it is possible that the display might look different depending on how drastic Samsung's changes were. So far, with the KS9800, I haven't seen an update that has drastically changed the picture, at least in my case. I have seen some updates that after recalibrating, my changes to my 2 point white balances are significantly different than the previous 2 point settings. Sometimes there are minimal or no changes. Even though I may not have noticed a drastic change in the display, my colorimeter can tell me otherwise, so I make the changes to get the grey scale right for my display. In my case, I recalibrate after 3 or 4 updates unless something is way out of whack. If I calibrated after every update, I might see minimal changes in the 2 point white balance. If your display looks right to your eye, I wouldn't worry.

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