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If you have a PC connected to the KS9800 on a HDMI input labeled PC, do you still need to activate game mode in order to get best possible input lag etc?
It doesn't work like that.

When you do not set the input type to "PC", the following Picture Modes are available to you
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Natural (HDR is not displayed)
  • Movie (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Sport (HDR is not displayed)
  • Game (HDR is displayed, but the TV does not remember separate SDR and HDR presets)
  • HDR+ (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets for HDMI inputs only)
  • Cal-Night (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Cal-Day (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)

When you do set the input type to "PC", only the following Picture Modes are available to you, and, these are completely different presets where the settings are stored separately to non-PC input above.
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (but Color Space locked to "Native" so unsuitable for HDR viewing)
  • Sport (but Color Space locked to "Native")

If you want to use the low-input Game picture mode, you cannot set the input type to PC.
If you set the input type to PC, it doesn't magically give you a lower input lag in any mode.

To get the lowest input lag with a PC connected, you have to somehow change the input type so that is it NOT PC so that you can select the Game mode.
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It doesn't work like that.

When you do not set the input type to "PC", the following Picture Modes are available to you
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Natural (HDR is not displayed)
  • Movie (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Sport (HDR is not displayed)
  • Game (HDR is displayed, but the TV does not remember separate SDR and HDR presets)
  • HDR+ (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets for HDMI inputs only)
  • Cal-Night (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Cal-Day (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)

When you do set the input type to "PC", only the following Picture Modes are available to you, and, these are completely different presets where the settings are stored separately to non-PC input above.
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (but Color Space locked to "Native" so unsuitable for HDR viewing)
  • Sport (but Color Space locked to "Native")

If you want to use the low-input Game picture mode, you cannot set the input type to PC.
If you set the input type to PC, it doesn't magically give you a lower input lag in any mode.

To get the lowest input lag with a PC connected, you have to somehow change the input type so that is it NOT PC so that you can select the Game mode.
Reason for asking is that for Samsung LCDs in the past, I am quite certain that the "PC label trick" produced better input lag than the "Game mode". Reason for it was probably that all image processing etc was disabled (thats my guess, dont know for sure). But this has changes now then?
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Reason for asking is that for Samsung LCDs in the past, I am quite certain that the "PC label trick" produced better input lag than the "Game mode". Reason for it was probably that all image processing etc was disabled (thats my guess, dont know for sure). But this has changes now then?
No idea I'm afraid, you'd have to measure the input lag in both cases with a meter. If anything there's more processing when the input type=PC, because it has to/can handle full 4:4:4 Chroma.

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Samsung continues to rule the responsiveness roost: the 65in KS9500 returned an input lag figure of merely 21ms from our Leo Bodnar tester in [Game] mode, making it one of the fastest televisions on the market for playing reflex-based video games.

Lag times in [PC] and [Movie] modes were 38ms and 106ms respectively.


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Not really a problem with the TV itself, rather the Smart Hub search feature................anyone have a clue as to why, when I do a search for a specific title movie and it displays all the providers that have this movie, it never will show Netflix in the list of providers, even though this movie or series is on Netflix. I stay signed into Netflix all the time but not into Samsung Acct.




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been posting in the 940e and js9500 forums but thought I should try here. I cant seem to find any good comparisons of the 940e fald system to our samsungs. The js9500 and ks9800 are alike enough imo to warrant a direct comparison. I have been toying with the 940e the last few days but cant seem to match the motion capabilities of our js9500/ks9800.

Anyone have direct contact with these tv's and have opinions they dont mind sharing regarding the comparisons?

I am liking the black levels and local dimming of the 260 zones of the 940e but honestly the js9500 still has more wow factor and its a very difficult decision which one to keep, assuming I can sell my js9500 anyway.

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I hope that our friends from the UK give us some feedback about the S/W update ver.1201.6
it's on Sam.UK for download.
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I hope that our friends from the UK give us some feedback about the S/W update ver.1201.6
it's on Sam.UK for download.
Well it's also the same download for the 8000 series UK units, so I'm guessing it covers all of the 2016 SUHD models. Does anyone know if the firmware from this website is compatible with the sets in the US like the Korean website versions are?

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Well it's also the same download for the 8000 series UK units, so I'm guessing it covers all of the 2016 SUHD models. Does anyone know if the firmware from this website is compatible with the sets in the US like the Korean website versions are?
I have tried it,but it won't install
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I have tried it,but it won't install
That's gutsy! I'd be afraid it would brick my panel. Anyhow, I'm guessing it's just a matter of time until it's released here in the US or the Korean site.

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Well it's also the same download for the 8000 series UK units, so I'm guessing it covers all of the 2016 SUHD models. Does anyone know if the firmware from this website is compatible with the sets in the US like the Korean website versions are?
There are actually only 3 different chassis.
  1. T-JZMDEUC, sold across Europe, CIS and parts of Middle East and North Africa.
  2. T-JZMUABC, sold in Asia Pacific, other parts of Middle East and North Africa, and Latin America
  3. T-JZMAKUC, sold in Canada and South Korea. Oh, and America.

In summary there are only 3 different multilingual downloadable firmware files covering the whole 2015 range.
If your chassis matches, the firmware will install and work.
If not, it will refuse to install. You can't do any harm other than wasting your own time.

You can and should check your chassis type on the "Support / Contact Samsung" page; it's shown in your current firmware version string.
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Thank you for putting this complete list together. Is there product documentation that this came from? I have heard that certain modes don't display HDR and others do, but haven't seen it itemized out as cleanly as this. Where'd it come from? And thanks again.

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It doesn't work like that.

When you do not set the input type to "PC", the following Picture Modes are available to you
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Natural (HDR is not displayed)
  • Movie (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Sport (HDR is not displayed)
  • Game (HDR is displayed, but the TV does not remember separate SDR and HDR presets)
  • HDR+ (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets for HDMI inputs only)
  • Cal-Night (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
  • Cal-Day (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)

When you do set the input type to "PC", only the following Picture Modes are available to you, and, these are completely different presets where the settings are stored separately to non-PC input above.
  • Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
  • Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (but Color Space locked to "Native" so unsuitable for HDR viewing)
  • Sport (but Color Space locked to "Native")

If you want to use the low-input Game picture mode, you cannot set the input type to PC.
If you set the input type to PC, it doesn't magically give you a lower input lag in any mode.

To get the lowest input lag with a PC connected, you have to somehow change the input type so that is it NOT PC so that you can select the Game mode.
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Thank you for putting this complete list together. Is there product documentation that this came from? I have heard that certain modes don't display HDR and others do, but haven't seen it itemized out as cleanly as this. Where'd it come from? And thanks again.
You're welcome. It came from reading all 28,400 posts on the KS8000 owner's thread, and making notes.

Which modes do/don't support HDR is easy. When shipped our TVs only had HDR support in one mode - Movie. Later, firmware upgrades gradually added it in Standard, and then Game. These were easy to track because people all tried to see what was different - thanks to Samsung's ludicrous policy of refusing to provide a full Changelog, as if the boilerplate "improved browser performance" guff isn't an insult.
See this post . I'm sure that even if it's not identical for your KS9800 it's going to be similar because they are all based on the same chassis.

The only modes that HDR don't work in are the modes that you wouldn't want to use in a million years anyway.
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Any update on this FW update? Seems like a rather large rev number, no?

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Seems like a rather large rev number, no?
Nope, not really. It's still roughly in line with previous firmwares when you account for dates and numbers. Perhaps it's a little bit earlier than we should have had it, for the number that it is, but not massively so.

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Nope, not really. It's still roughly in line with previous firmwares when you account for dates and numbers. Perhaps it's a little bit earlier than we should have had it, for the number that it is, but not massively so.

Nice chart @mrtickleuk You have got way too much time on your hands
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Nope, not really. It's still roughly in line with previous firmwares when you account for dates and numbers. Perhaps it's a little bit earlier than we should have had it, for the number that it is, but not massively so.

Agreed! Nice chart for sure... Few observations on it...
How come it doesn't mention the addition of HDR10+ as one of the main points?
Has anybody actually gotten 1201 fw besides Canada? I'd say its a big jump still but no mention of what it includes or does.

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Agreed! Nice chart for sure... Few observations on it...
How come it doesn't mention the addition of HDR10+ as one of the main points?
We don't know when HDR10+ was added.

Still no demo clips that anyone has access to which we can play.

And we'd have to find people who hadn't upgraded for various older versions, and get each person to test the clip (which no-one has!) to work out which firmware added it.

So I just put the main features in. We knew exactly when YouTube HDR was added, and when HLG was added, and when the other things were changed, because we could all test before/after. Hope that makes sense

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Yes, check out that little blue dot on the top right...

(This is all because of Samsung's refusal to provide meaningful release notes.)

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We don't know when HDR10+ was added.

Still no demo clips that anyone has access to which we can play.

And we'd have to find people who hadn't upgraded for various older versions, and get each person to test the clip (which no-one has!) to work out which firmware added it.

So I just put the main features in. We knew exactly when YouTube HDR was added, and when HLG was added, and when the other things were changed, because we could all test before/after. Hope that makes sense

Yes, check out that little blue dot on the top right...

(This is all because of Samsung's refusal to provide meaningful release notes.)
I believe HDR10+ was added with 1180 FW. Somebody in here did confirm they were able to play some HDR10+ content maybe? I could be wrong.
So 1201 is available in the US, but nobody in here knows how to get it from any websites yet lols

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I believe HDR10+ was added with 1180 FW. Somebody in here did confirm they were able to play some HDR10+ content maybe? I could be wrong.
I think you are sorry I read lots of stuff here! I'd be interested in that post, and VERY interested in what content they played.

All I saw was a post saying that as of now (<date x> at the time), everyone should have a HDR10Plus-capable firmware. It was never tied to a version. The "version everyone had just got" obviously is a candidate for "the one", but it could have meant any of them.

All because Samsung refuse to provide release notes, and when someone is nice and hosts a website with demo clips on, Samsung threatens him with legal action unless he takes them all down. Not that they have let any HDR10Plips out into the world. NOT EVEN ONE.

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Nope, not really. It's still roughly in line with previous firmwares when you account for dates and numbers. Perhaps it's a little bit earlier than we should have had it, for the number that it is, but not massively so.
Based on your chart - very impressive btw - I'd call that a big jump.

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Agreed! Nice chart for sure... Few observations on it...
How come it doesn't mention the addition of HDR10+ as one of the main points?
Has anybody actually gotten 1201 fw besides Canada? I'd say its a big jump still but no mention of what it includes or does.
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I believe HDR10+ was added with 1180 FW. Somebody in here did confirm they were able to play some HDR10+ content maybe? I could be wrong.
So 1201 is available in the US, but nobody in here knows how to get it from any websites yet lols
I played several clips which were labeled and purported to be HDR10+, but there was no way to verify that they were. The clips played however. EDITED just to say that I think they were labeled HLG, not HDR10+. Sorry about that.
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I played several clips which were labeled and purported to be HDR10+, but there was no way to verify that they were. The clips played however.
Do you still have them?

You could check them using MediaInfo and it would show up in the metadata.

If you wanted to post filenames, sizes and and MD5 hashes, I could see whether I have them too. The only one I know anecdotally being definitely HDR10Plus was the one Samsung used at their HDR10Plus "Summit" where they had it side-by-side with a TV (which could only read HDR10) playing the same clip.

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I think you are sorry I read lots of stuff here! I'd be interested in that post, and VERY interested in what content they played.

All I saw was a post saying that as of now (<date x> at the time), everyone should have a HDR10Plus-capable firmware. It was never tied to a version. The "version everyone had just got" obviously is a candidate for "the one", but it could have meant any of them.

All because Samsung refuse to provide release notes, and when someone is nice and hosts a website with demo clips on, Samsung threatens him with legal action unless he takes them all down. Not that they have let any HDR10Plips out into the world. NOT EVEN ONE.
I dont fully recall but keep thinking it was larryrosenberg in this thread who mentioned something regarding the 1180 having HDR10+ or having tried it himself, I could've read it wrong though, it was several pages back when the FW first arrived on the scene. I also just remembered @Rudy1 saying someone confirmed that we now have HDR10+.

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Do you still have them?

You could check them using MediaInfo and it would show up in the metadata.

If you wanted to post filenames, sizes and and MD5 hashes, I could see whether I have them too. The only one I know anecdotally being definitely HDR10Plus was the one Samsung used at their HDR10Plus "Summit" where they had it side-by-side with a TV (which could only read HDR10) playing the same clip.
Unfortunately I don't as I wiped the thumb drive (needed it for something else) and the files are no longer in my downloads as I trash stuff pretty regularly.

BUT, now that I think about it, I *think* they were actually HLG (or, labeled as such) and not HDR10+. Sorry for the confusion. IIRC they were on this site: http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr but are not there any more.

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Unfortunately I don't as I wiped the thumb drive (needed it for something else) and the files are no longer in my downloads as I trash stuff pretty regularly.

BUT, now that I think about it, I *think* they were actually HLG (or, labeled as such) and not HDR10+. Sorry for the confusion. IIRC they were on this site: http://demo-uhd3d.com/categorie.php?tag=hdr but are not there any more.
Ah yes. That makes perfect sense now. I have every video that was hosted there. He had two HLG videos IIRC.

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Here's a version of the graph with linear "best fit" lines...

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Hey just joined the KS9800 owners Yay

I also got a Qled & Oled that I will be comparing soon.

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Agreed! Nice chart for sure... Few observations on it...
How come it doesn't mention the addition of HDR10+ as one of the main points?
Has anybody actually gotten 1201 fw besides Canada? I'd say its a big jump still but no mention of what it includes or does.
The bigger the jump the bigger the results!

Aside from the cal mode bugs I like 1180, so I'm staying put. Judder seems to have improved slightly to my fairly discerning eyes..
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Hey just joined the KS9800 owners Yay
I also got a Qled & Oled that I will be comparing soon.
Well the 9800 is FALD and the new QLED are just edge lit, so there is no comparison. Conrads on snagging one before they are gone
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Quick question. Did the 9800 stop giving a notification when an HDR signal is being received?
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