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Well damn... anyone know how I can get on Firmware 1111? I'm stuck on 1105, and the only version on the website is 1104, which it won't let me downgrade to.
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Well damn... anyone know how I can get on Firmware 1111? I'm stuck on 1105, and the only version on the website is 1104, which it won't let me downgrade to.
If that update won't download it's probably not an update for your set. You and Sheldon have different sized panels, so it's quite possible that your firmware updates will be different from one another.
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I was actually referring to Mikemx3's response of just receiving his 65UNKS9800 and having 1111 and the UHD+ feature. Sorry, I'm on mobile.
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Whoops... HDR+*
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Whoops... HDR+*
I'm gonna make a guess that depending on when they shipped from samsung, could be a factor on the FW# on the individual sets. So i'd bet that some will have the HDR+ working out of the box on the 65" and some won't. I know that it is getting rolled out to all the new KS sets so I shan't be to discombobulated if It isn't on my replacement coming in a couple of days.

"SHELDON"!!!!! have you had a chance to check the viewing angle for fading/washout of colors yet? I'd be curious as well on that.
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Another question for you new owners....Now that you've moved from HD to 4K which 2.0 HDMI cable are you using between source material and your new set? I don't mean to open a can of worms here as this could be a topic for another thread, but the choices are seemingly endless. Some people suggest going to the Blue Jean Cables website, but I found that more confusing than helpful. (Great site for an electrical engineer who wants to know how cables are made, but terrible for a guy like me who just wants a link to a reasonably priced cable that accurately delivers all source material to the set). HDMI 2.0 ranges in price from a few bucks up to $450 for top of the line AudioQuest cables at Best Buy.
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Another question for you new owners....Now that you've moved from HD to 4K which 2.0 HDMI cable are you using between source material and your new set? I don't mean to open a can of worms here as this could be a topic for another thread, but the choices are seemingly endless. Some people suggest going to the Blue Jean Cables website, but I found that more confusing than helpful. (Great site for an electrical engineer who wants to know how cables are made, but terrible for a guy like me who just wants a link to a reasonably priced cable that accurately delivers all source material to the set). HDMI 2.0 ranges in price from a few bucks up to $450 for top of the line AudioQuest cables at Best Buy.


My hdmi cables range from budget, 4 dollars to a expensive one of 100 dollars and they all work 100% the same.


As long as you don't go for long distances my experience is it doesn't matter which cable you use..


But I think if you use the search option lot's of threads have discussed this already...


Let's get back on track and hopefully some user reports on the 65 inch version are incoming.
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Another question for you new owners....Now that you've moved from HD to 4K which 2.0 HDMI cable are you using between source material and your new set? I don't mean to open a can of worms here as this could be a topic for another thread, but the choices are seemingly endless. Some people suggest going to the Blue Jean Cables website, but I found that more confusing than helpful. (Great site for an electrical engineer who wants to know how cables are made, but terrible for a guy like me who just wants a link to a reasonably priced cable that accurately delivers all source material to the set). HDMI 2.0 ranges in price from a few bucks up to $450 for top of the line AudioQuest cables at Best Buy.
Changed all my cables to Audio Quest which I purchased at Best Buy. I just wanted the best option.
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I was actually referring to Mikemx3's response of just receiving his 65UNKS9800 and having 1111 and the UHD+ feature. Sorry, I'm on mobile.
Received the 65KS9800 with firm Ware 1111 last Saturday from Amazon at the crazy price of $3833.72. With my wife's blessing.
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Received the 65KS9800 with firm Ware 1111 last Saturday from Amazon at the crazy price of $3833.72. With my wife's blessing.
Nice Mike! You have the combination display/4K player that I'm interested in purchasing. I'm the type who has to see it before buying, and I'm still unable to do that. I dropped by Best Buy again yesterday to see if the 65" had come in, but no dice. They still have no idea when they'll be receiving it. Did you read John Archer's review of the 65KS9800? He listed his settings in the article which might be of interest to you if you're trying to get the set dialed in. What's your impression so far? How's the off angle view? What's the lighting like in the room you've set it up in?

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Did you read John Archer's review of the 65KS9800? He listed his settings in the article which might be of interest to you if you're trying to get the set dialed in. What's your impression so far? How's the off angle view? What's the lighting like in the room you've set it up in?

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I searched but didn't find his review??
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I searched but didn't find his review??


That was more of an overview of a few hours John spent with the tv. His ks9800 arrived for review last week but hasn't had time to dive in. He'll begin setting it up later in the week.
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I searched but didn't find his review??
Ray is correct. My mistake. I thought he did a fell review, but I must have been thinking of the LG OLED. Here is a link to the "hands on" he wrote on the 65KS9800. (In Europe it is the UE65KS9500)

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue65ks9500-review
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That was more of an overview of a few hours John spent with the tv. His ks9800 arrived for review last week but hasn't had time to dive in. He'll begin setting it up later in the week.
Thanks for the update. I have read that overview. Mostly very positive some blooming but that was expected... I think the backlight and controller system is identical to the 2015 JS9500. The list price of the 65 inch is almost half of the 9500 series of last year so some cost reductions must be in effect.


Better dimming software of course and mostly due to the moth eye filter a 4 times better ANSI contrast on the 9800 compared tot the 9500 series! That must help for some blooming issues.


The best lcd tv I had for blooming was the Philips Fald 46 inches, moth eye and over 300 dimming zones in 46 inch.


It did suffer from severe black crush though...


A tip for the users...On that Philips the moth eye coating could only be cleaned with 99,9 % pure alcohol and even then you have to be very careful not to get streaks on the screen which cann't be removed.


So make sure you never have to clean the screen because that is almost impossible...one of the main reasons Philips have dropped the Moth eye. They got to many complaints.


I am not sure if the moth eye coating on the 9800 series is identical to the Philips version..


That was awesome..You could point a strong flashlight to the screen and absolutely no reflections at all.
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Just talked to John Archer. He still has his js9500 In house and will be able to directly compare the ks9800 when he does his review. He's also hoping to have his E6 in for review by then too. I stressed to him that dark scene hdr performance is what people want to know when compared to the js9500. His reviews are usually very detailed and in depth so we should get a good idea of how it performs in those tuff scenerios.
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Just talked to John Archer. He still has his js9500 In house and will be able to directly compare the ks9800 when he does his review. He's also hoping to have his E6 in for review by then too. I stressed to him that dark scene hdr performance is what people want to know when compared to the js9500. His reviews are usually very detailed and in depth so we should get a good idea of how it performs in those tuff scenerios.
Do you know the publication date?
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Do you know the publication date?

Well considering he won't begin the review til at least mid week. I'd say we're probably 2 weeks ago.

But HDTVtest has already begun their review, so thar will come out 1st.
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"4) Viewing from the side is still somewhat washed out, but much better than my 78HU9000. It's still a LED."

Sheldon,

Can you give us an idea of how many degrees off center you are before the picture degrades? How does it compare to your previous set?
If you are standing about 7 feet away from the set, you really don't lose much of the color as you move away from the center. You might lose 10% no more at 45 degrees.
Much better than my 78HU9000.
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Ok..Placed a order for the 65KS9500 (European version of the 9800 series) yesterday, should arrive in my country end of the coming week, so hopefully delivery next Friday.


It's gonna replace my JS9500 which still delivers a awesome picture and I read everywhere the 9800 series is much improved to the series of last year so my expectations are very high.


Gonna update with my impressions when the set has arrived.
Good luck with the new TV. Great picture so far.

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You guys might wanna pay attention to the value electronics shootout this week, I've been informed that the shootout is going to be HDR heavy for the bulk of it.
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Good morning, My 65KS9800 came with firmware version 1111 which did include HDR+.

So far, I'm very impressed with this tv and plan to watch The Martian in 4K tonight using my Samsung UBD-K8500.
Good luck with the TV. Just curious, when you first got the set did you happen to check the firmware version or did you check it after a few hours. I wonder if you had 1100 and Samsung updated yours really quick to 1111 before you had a chance to check the firmware version. It's possible you had 1111 right from the beginning because I think the 65KS9800 was probably put into production after the 78KS9800. I had HDR+ with 1100 and 1111. Zdrucker had 1105 when he got his TV which Samsung most likely messed up and left out HDR+. That's the only thing that makes sense. He'll probably have to wait till Samsung pushes the update to his TV, unless it shows up on the Korean or US website. We used to get the firmware updates for the HU9000 with the SEK3500 Evolution kit from the Korean website.

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Well damn... anyone know how I can get on Firmware 1111? I'm stuck on 1105, and the only version on the website is 1104, which it won't let me downgrade to.
Knowing Samsung, you will just have to wait till they push the update to your TV, unless it shows up on the Samsung US or Korean website for download. Korean website usually gets the update for download before the US website. I would think you wouldn't have to wait that long because there aren't that many KS9800's out in the market yet. I know when I first got my 78HU9000, I would get the updates before other people on the forum. After a year of owning the TV, I would have to wait a long time to get a firmware update. I would then download the newer version from the Korean website instead of waiting for Samsung.

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So these do not support Dolby vision correct?

No. Samsung (and Sony) TVs do not support Dolby Vision.


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KS9800 calibration settings

If anyone is interested, I have some settings for the KS9800. I use Calman 5 with an i1Dispaly Pro colorimeter to calibrate the KS9800. Some of you may like these settings, some may not. Everyone has a different opinion of what they like or don't like. Even though we have the same TV, it's possible we could have different panels (that happened with the HU9000). The panel version is usually on the box the TV came in. I haven't checked if it's on the KS9800 box yet. You should make note of that for future use. I calibrated the set on Tuesday night when I first got the TV with firmware version 1100. On Wednesday night I noticed the firmware had changed to 1111. I calibrated again on Friday night with very little difference in the settings. I calibrate in a dark room with a bias light behind the TV. I have included a PDF with all the settings.


Once you enter the settings, you can tweak the picture by using Dynamic Contrast, Smart LED, Gamma, Backlight, Color Tone and Color until you get the picture the way you like it.
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So will anything that is mastered with Dolby vision not support the HDR10? I understand DV gives authors more control, but 4K blunrsy is all hdr10 along with the new Xbox S

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How does this compare to the sony 75 940d?
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So will anything that is mastered with Dolby vision not support the HDR10? I understand DV gives authors more control, but 4K blunrsy is all hdr10 along with the new Xbox S

NETFLIX AND AMAZON doing both?

You need a TV (and/or a Blu-ray player or Gaming system) that supports DV (which requires some additional hardware) in order to play Dolby Vision Content.

Only a few Vizio and LG TVs currently support it. No current Blu-ray player or upcoming Gaming system support DV.

I don't have Amazon HDR in Canada but yes, Netflix does support both HDR versions.

Additionally, HDR10 is mandatory on all HDR UHD Blu-rays. Dolby Vision can be included/added as a separate metadata layer that will ride on top of the HDR10 layer - however, no current HDR Blu-rays have DV.

Dynamic HDR10 - which is coming soon, hopefully via a simple firmware update - will look very similar to DV.

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The KS9800 doesn't support Dolby Vision - it supports HDR10. From what I've been reading on the forum, because the KS9800 has a high nit value (1400 nits), Dolby vision is not necessary for HDR. Down the road Samsung hopefully will be pushing out Dynamic HDR 10 to our sets. Dolby vision is being used on TV's that have a low nit value like the LG Oleds. Here is a link that explains the two.


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How does this compare to the sony 75 940d?


we'll find out those details at the shootout this week.

as far as i know, based on specs, the KS9800 has a few advantages:

-moth eye anti glare on the panel. cuts down glare and improves percieved contrast and black levels.

- KS9800 is much brighter. 700 nits full screen/1450nits highlights. sony 940d is around 800-900 nits. this lower brightness though could help with bloom.

- ks9800 has a better native black level, usually its the other way around but not this year.
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