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Well I BOUGHT THE Z9D so that makes me an owner hence my post. Also i never said the LG was better just people i respect said it is better. Dude you need to correctly read a post before you reply.
You "need to correctly read a post before you reply". I never stated that you said the LG was better. My point was that you were asking A9D owners "Is this correct that the LG is better than the Sony?" Did you really expect any of them to say yes?

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I have a question everyone i trust for opinions are telling me to save some money and return the Z9D to get the LG b65 it has a better picture. Is this correct that the LG is better than the Sony?
The Z is a better TV overall. If price is an issue, you might have to look elsewhere though.
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Sorry if this has been covered in this long thread, but I went into a BB last night, and while the Z9D looked great initially, upon closer inspection it had these strange faint horizontal lines. Has anyone else seen that?

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Bump. Has anyone seen these faint horizontal lines?


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Bump. Has anyone seen these faint horizontal lines?


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You probably need to be a little more specific. Providing a picture would also help. You didn't mention what type of content was being displayed.

Were you looking at an angle, up close, or standing back on center, etc, etc.

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Hi, it's been a while since I posted on avs. I just purchased the Z9D 65 inch version and I have a few questions.


I bought the Samsung K8500 as a temporary UHD player until Sony gets it's product line up together. What should I set the Blu-ray player to regarding upscaling? I hear that the TV does the best job possible so should I leave the player on Auto?


I do a lot of PC gaming. From what I understand this TV can utilize 60FPS at 4K. Can it do this in 3D mode as well? I have Nvdia's 3D graphic drivers and two 1080 graphic cards in SLI. I was hoping to push games like Max Payne 3 and possibly even some newer titles like Dying light at 4K,60FPS,3D. Is this possible?


I hear that this TV does not support Dolby Vision. Does this mean that I won't be able to use this TV's HDR abilities on PC gaming? Can I force it on and how will it effect things if I try to force it on in a PC game? Has anyone heard if Sony has plans to allow Dolby Vision compatibility in the future through a firmware upgrade or something? Insight from any owner of this TV that have their PC hooked up would be a great help.


One last thing. I hear that 4K UHD does not support 3D. So any HDR enabled movie is not going to be 3D. However, does HDR automatically turn off on the TV when 3D mode is enabled? Would it be possible to have HDR and 3D at the same time on a PC video game if this set had Dolby Vision or a PC game that supported the HDR10 spec?


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I used 10K's settings for a quick setup to watch some movies with visiting family. Thanks for posting those! The picture looks great!
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You probably need to be a little more specific. Providing a picture would also help. You didn't mention what type of content was being displayed.

Were you looking at an angle, up close, or standing back on center, etc, etc.
It did not matter what was being shown. There were faint horizontal lines, no matter where I stood. It's something not noticed at first glance, but when taking more time to look at it. I did not have my phone with me, so no picture. I just thought that if it's that obvious to me, then someone else would have noticed it by now. If not, perhaps it was just that TV or perhaps the content.


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I bought the Samsung K8500 as a temporary UHD player until Sony gets it's product line up together. What should I set the Blu-ray player to regarding upscaling? I hear that the TV does the best job possible so should I leave the player on Auto?


I do a lot of PC gaming. From what I understand this TV can utilize 60FPS at 4K. Can it do this in 3D mode as well? I have Nvdia's 3D graphic drivers and two 1080 graphic cards in SLI. I was hoping to push games like Max Payne 3 and possibly even some newer titles like Dying light at 4K,60FPS,3D. Is this possible?


I hear that this TV does not support Dolby Vision. Does this mean that I won't be able to use this TV's HDR abilities on PC gaming? Can I force it on and how will it effect things if I try to force it on in a PC game? Has anyone heard if Sony has plans to allow Dolby Vision compatibility in the future through a firmware upgrade or something? Insight from any owner of this TV that have their PC hooked up would be a great help.


One last thing. I hear that 4K UHD does not support 3D. So any HDR enabled movie is not going to be 3D. However, does HDR automatically turn off on the TV when 3D mode is enabled? Would it be possible to have HDR and 3D at the same time on a PC video game if this set had Dolby Vision or a PC game that supported the HDR10 spec?


Thanks for your time.
I believe the Samsung will default to 4K output when set on auto, so you will want to set it to 1080p when playing HD content (because the tv will do a better job of upscaling). You can check the Samsung output resolution you pressing the display info button of the Sony remote, while playing an HD blu-ray.

The tv will only do 1080p 3D. There is no tv that does 4K 3D as far as I know. My Sony 65x900a was limited to 24fps at 1080p when used with NVidia. I'm not sure if the Z9D is limited in the same way. I quite 3D gaming when I gave up my LaserVue, but do plan on testing 3D vision with the Z9D. I might work differently because the Z9D is active 3D.

A few people are hoping that the Z9D will eventually support DV, but Sony has never indicated they would. So don't expect it to be.

I'm not sure about 3D HDR.

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Thanks for the info. I hope it can do 1080P@60FPS at least. I figure the data bandwidth would have been pretty huge at 4K3D if it were possible. If I have to choose between 1080P3D and 4K it's probably going to be 4K. Especially if HDR becomes possible.


Do you have any experience with forcing HDR on a PC game? I take it, it's not the same as having true support? Similar to forcing 3D on a non 3D movie?

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It did not matter what was being shown. There were faint horizontal lines, no matter where I stood. It's something not noticed at first glance, but when taking more time to look at it. I did not have my phone with me, so no picture. I just thought that if it's that obvious to me, then someone else would have noticed it by now. If not, perhaps it was just that TV or perhaps the content.


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I want to know about the faint vertical black lines. I know what it is and its called banding. I'm beyond mad. I got one from Bestbuy initially and did a exchange with Sony because of the banding issue. New set was delivered today. The box was dirty and torn which aggravated me. I hate third party warehouses. Stand was scratched and this one has banding just like the previous. Not happy. I want to know if the banding is normal or not. Does it go away over time. If so than I'll keep what I have. One ticked off individual.
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Led count for 75z9d

I'm aware of the LED count for the 65'. Does anyone know or have a source on what the LED count is for the 75? logically it has to be more
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If I set my K8500 to 1080P will it still play UHD discs at 4K? I want it to play 4K discs at 4K and 1080P discs at 1080P so my TV will do the up conversion. I admit I don't know what I am talking about but wouldn't forcing the player to 1080P also force your 4K movies down to 1080P? I would assume setting the player to 4K would force your 1080P movies to 4K, so wouldn't the auto option push 4K on 4K movies and 1080P on 1080P movies? I'm just trying to get my head straight before the TV arrives so I know how to set it all up properly.


If a 1080P3D signal is sent to the TV, wouldn't the TV upscale it to 4K in 3D? Wouldn't that mean the TV is at least capable of 4K3D at 24FPS? If the TV cannot display 4K3D then 3D movies would only take up 1/4 of the screen so that can't be correct can it? My 3D 1080P sonyHX929 TV can push 1080P3D at 24FPS and 720P3D at 60FPS. I would hope that this TV could push 4K 3D at 24FPS and 1080P3D at 60FPS at the least.

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I just did some research. Since this TV is active 3D instead of Passive 3D, it can do 4K3D @60fps which is great news . So the question still remains, does 3D mode disable HDR or can it be forced on at the same time as 3D? How does the auto function on the K8500 work? There would be no point in a 4K option if auto forces everything to 4K so I am guessing auto is where I should set it if I want it to play 4k films at 4k and 2k films at 2k.

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Well I BOUGHT THE Z9D so that makes me an owner hence my post. Also i never said the LG was better just people i respect said it is better. Dude you need to correctly read a post before you reply.
Consumer Reports just posted an article doing a shootout between the 3 major flagships for tv of the year. May want to check it out....

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Consumer Reports just posted an article doing a shootout between the 3 major flagships for tv of the year. May want to check it out....
That's a pretty good shootout. Thanks for posting it. Here is a link.
http://www.consumerreports.org/tvs/c...p-tvs-of-2016/


The bottom line is they are all really good TV's that look similar. The LG gets points for viewing angle and easier use of HDR setup as well as blacks and built in sound but it has it's own share of problems. I would think if you are sitting directly in front of the TV, you actually know how to take advantage of everything and you use an external sound system like most of us do, it would make sense that the Sony would be the best pick for many of us. The Sony seems to provide superior detail through ultra bright enhanced HDR and less banding than the other two sets. That is if money is no object and you don't mind paying a hefty premium for the added detail. The Samsung offers a similar picture to the Sony and the LG at a much lower price point.
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I have to say that I agree with the criticism of the HDR setting on the Z9D model. That is going to be annoying to have to turn it on every time I watch a UHD disc and then manually turn it off every time I play a game or watch a regular Blu-ray. Sony better fix that through a firmware update if it is possible.
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I have to say that I agree with the criticism of the HDR setting on the Z9D model. That is going to be annoying to have to turn it on every time I watch a UHD disc and then manually turn it off every time I play a game or watch a regular Blu-ray. Sony better fix that through a firmware update if it is possible.
I don't know what they're referring to in that article. You have to set the HDMI port to "enhanced" once, and then it automatically switches to HDR from then on.
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I posted the same question here some weeks ago and got no reply.
I think the reason is probably because it would be much easier for Sony to handle shipment of the 65" model instead of the 75" model for testing/reviewing procedure, plus the fact the 75" set is so much more expensive and not as widely available for sale, comparatively.

We know from various test reports the 65" model uses approximately 650 LEDs and considering that a 75" screen with 16:9 aspect ratio is 15.38% larger diagonally than a 65" screen - which "translates" to 33.14% larger total screen area - then i imagine we can expect the 75" model to have about 33% more LEDs (about 217 more LEDs) for a total of 867 LEDs ?

Hmm, conjectures, conjectures.

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I don't know what they're referring to in that article. You have to set the HDMI port to "enhanced" once, and then it automatically switches to HDR from then on.

So you set the HDMI port to enhanced and it will auto detect and switch modes if the content is HDR or not? That does sound like a stupid thing to complain about then. That article made it sound like it was hard to do and most people wouldn't be smart enough to enable it.


I have a question for you. Can you force HDR on manually? Lets say I have a PC connected Via HDMI and a UHD Blu-ray player connected via HDMI. I set the bluray player HDMI port and PC HDMI port to enhanced. Can I still force HDR on even if the game I am playing on PC isn't detected because this TV doesn't have DV? Do you know if HDR can be enabled at the same time as 3D even though there are no HDR enabled 3D movies at the moment? Do you think I could force HDR on in a game or movie that is being played in 3D or does it refuse to allow both 3D and HDR to be enabled at the same time?

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That's a pretty good shootout. Thanks for posting it. Here is a link.
http://www.consumerreports.org/tvs/c...p-tvs-of-2016/


The bottom line is they are all really good TV's that look similar. The LG gets points for viewing angle and easier use of HDR setup as well as blacks and built in sound but it has it's own share of problems. I would think if you are sitting directly in front of the TV, you actually know how to take advantage of everything and you use an external sound system like most of us do, it would make sense that the Sony would be the best pick for many of us. The Sony seems to provide superior detail through ultra bright enhanced HDR and less banding than the other two sets. That is if money is no object and you don't mind paying a hefty premium for the added detail. The Samsung offers a similar picture to the Sony and the LG at a much lower price point.
Yup. Nailed it. The Z gets really close to OLED in black level but really shines with HDR content.

That's why I picked it. It's simply a beast.

Unless you are using Calibration measurement equipment or watching in absolute pitch black environment (with no light leakage and where you can't get up to move around since it's so dark) you're just not going to notice the OLED black superiority. The Z goes deeeeeeeep.

The viewing angle thing is more of a real issue IMO.

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So you set the HDMI port to enhanced and it will auto detect and switch modes if the content is HDR or not? That does sound like a stupid thing to complain about then. That article made it sound like it was hard to do and most people wouldn't be smart enough to enable it.


I have a question for you. Can you force HDR on manually? Lets say I have a PC connected Via HDMI and a UHD Blu-ray player connected via HDMI. I set the bluray player HDMI port and PC HDMI port to enhanced. Can I still force HDR on even if the game I am playing on PC isn't detected because this TV doesn't have DV? Do you know if HDR can be enabled at the same time as 3D even though there are no HDR enabled 3D movies at the moment? Do you think I could force HDR on in a game or movie that is being played in 3D or does it refuse to allow both 3D and HDR to be enabled at the same time?
Correct. There's an HDMI setting buried in the system options. Once you switch it to Enhanced, you never have to touch it again. So yeah it's a minor thing but still confusing why it's not Enhanced as default. From then on, HDR is Auto (you can still switch that through insure settings). I think that setting applies to both Input 2 and 3, whatever the 4k/60 inputs are. I only have one input used since everything is routed through my AVR.

I don't use 3D so can't help there. You can't force HDR if the signal isn't as such, and as far as I know PC gaming doesn't have HDR. This TV isn't DV enabled either.

You can use the pseudo HDR setting for non-HDR content (X-tended dynamic range). It looks pretty good at Low which is what I use. Some content can look good at medium or high but it's hit or miss. You would have to just experiment.
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Can anyone answer the question about black vertical lines. I looked at mine at an angle it looks like black banding issues. For the amount this TV is i thought the master backlight technology was supposed to eliminate banding. Guess not. Also, this is the second set. First one from Bestbuy had distinct vertical banding. Exchanged with Sony and this one has the same exact issue. Am I missing something because I thought banding was eliminated. Confused as to why after two times its the same thing. I bought this T.V. because of the HDR, and also banding elimination. Now I can't get my money back and I don't feel like playing panel lottery with Sony. Wish I went with Oled and now it's too late. Ticked because the quality control apparently isn't there, and now I'm stuck with this set. Urgh.......
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The banding that this TV eliminates is color banding from TV's with less accurate color and lighting. What you are describing sounds like a hardware or manufacturing problem. If you look around the 150 Page mark someone posted screen shots of a Z9 TV with hardware oriented banding. You may want to check it out and see if what you are experiencing is similar in nature. It does seem suspect that you got two TV's in a row that did this. It could be a manufacturing issue that Sony needs to be aware of. If multiple reports are made and the unit numbers are tracked they can probably find out where the faulty units are being made and what needs to be done to fix it. Or maybe you have just gotten unlucky. Could you post a picture of the problem so the other owners in this thread can compare and confirm that you got a faulty TV or not? Sometimes others have the same problem and don't notice and you may be more sensitive toward the problem than others but I doubt it. Around here most people are pretty critical of their displays.

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Correct. There's an HDMI setting buried in the system options. Once you switch it to Enhanced, you never have to touch it again. So yeah it's a minor thing but still confusing why it's not Enhanced as default. From then on, HDR is Auto (you can still switch that through insure settings). I think that setting applies to both Input 2 and 3, whatever the 4k/60 inputs are. I only have one input used since everything is routed through my AVR.

I don't use 3D so can't help there. You can't force HDR if the signal isn't as such, and as far as I know PC gaming doesn't have HDR. This TV isn't DV enabled either.

You can use the pseudo HDR setting for non-HDR content (X-tended dynamic range). It looks pretty good at Low which is what I use. Some content can look good at medium or high but it's hit or miss. You would have to just experiment.

I have my denon 6200W hooked up to hdmi in 4 on my sony z9D and that also switches automatically to 4k 24p HDR when I play a 4K HDR media file on my mediaplayer, so if you want to watch uhd blurays with HDR you can also use the other hdmi ports after switching those to enhanced.
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PBZ06, thanks for that last post. I get it now. If Sony doesn't add DV to the TV I may still hold out hope that Nvidia could include HDR10 in their GPU drivers so that future PC games could be HDR compliant and send a proper HDR10 signal to the monitor.


I have a Sony 1070 7.2ch amp with 4K HDR pass through so I will probably run my UHD player and PC through it and use a single port on the TV. From what I hear, port 3 is the one with ARM that allows you to link your TV and other components with the press of a button. So that is what I plan to use for now.


I plan to upgrade my amp to Atmos and DTS X but I just bought the TV and I am probably going to wait until some more mid range amps have the extended channels. I just don't need a top of the line $3000 amp for the small room I am currently set up in.

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Consumer Reports just posted an article doing a shootout between the 3 major flagships for tv of the year. May want to check it out....

I can't believe Consumer Reports said the Samsung has a better upscaler vs the Sony as this is one of the main reasons i bought this TV. Decisions decisions i have two weeks to return this set i will see what is coming out at CES and make my decision. I will say for the price of the Sony i expected this TV to be the best at everything apparently not true. But then again there is no perfect TV to date!

I was initially disappointed when i found out the Z9D only has two 4k 60hz HDR hdmi ports why wouldn't Sony make all ports the same. Now i am thinking i need both Dolby Vision and HDR the longer i think about this as we don't know for sure how this format war is going to play out.
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Unless you are using Calibration measurement equipment or watching in absolute pitch black environment (with no light leakage and where you can't get up to move around since it's so dark) you're just not going to notice the OLED black superiority.
That's selling the 8+ million zones short, IMO. A remote control for lighting is also a wonderful and cheap thing these days compared to flagship TVs.

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Only if you watch TV with multiple videophiles. Otherwise you can nab the best spot with no domestic strife.
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I don't know what they're referring to in that article. You have to set the HDMI port to "enhanced" once, and then it automatically switches to HDR from then on.
Thanks for posting this. I was concerned about what that article was referencing in regards to switching between HDR 'manually'. If it is as you say then it is no big deal at all.
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Yup. Nailed it. The Z gets really close to OLED in black level but really shines with HDR content.

That's why I picked it. It's simply a beast.

Unless you are using Calibration measurement equipment or watching in absolute pitch black environment (with no light leakage and where you can't get up to move around since it's so dark) you're just not going to notice the OLED black superiority. The Z goes deeeeeeeep.

The viewing angle thing is more of a real issue IMO.
I have to disagree and say that the OLED black superiority was quite clearly visible even in the bright lights of the local box store. The Z black levels did look very good in that same store especially on the HDR demo content they were playing. I'd be happy to have either set though.
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I can't believe Consumer Reports said the Samsung has a better upscaler vs the Sony as this is one of the main reasons i bought this TV. Decisions decisions i have two weeks to return this set i will see what is coming out at CES and make my decision. I will say for the price of the Sony i expected this TV to be the best at everything apparently not true. But then again there is no perfect TV to date!

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Certainly reasonable concerns ... and the only reason I could think of why Sony did not include 4 4K 60Hz HDMI Ports possibly is their reasoning is that most owners would probably be using 4K AVRs with multiple 4K 60Hz HDMI Inputs. Regarding the DV Matter, I would not be concerned about DV "AS LONG" as Samsung and Sony CAN and WILL update present displays HDR 10 Static Metadata with HDR 10 Dynamic Metadata and WCG Mapping via Firmware and not REQUIRE something like HDMI 2.1 Hardware to update the Dynamic Metadata. Samsung has released announcements that they would be able to do that but I do not know if this has happen real world as yet ... perhaps a Samsung Owner can/will attest to this ? Perhaps I am wrong but my understanding is that LG can update DV via HDMI 1.4. If this is so why would Samsung/Sony not be able to/willing to update HDR 10 Dynamic Metadata and WCG Mapping via current HDMI 2.0a/b ? .... Hmmmmm !
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I have to disagree and say that the OLED black superiority was quite clearly visible even in the bright lights of the local box store. The Z black levels did look very good in that same store especially on the HDR demo content they were playing. I'd be happy to have either set though.
I agree. I have the Sony 940D and an E6 and the Sony is very close regarding black levels. Where the E6 really pulls ahead is with 3D content. For 2D I don't care which one I watch, unless it's with content where the 940D's smearing issue raises its ugly head (I've been able to lessen this problem quite a lot).
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