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Yup. Set to enhanced.

It's a bit mind boggling that a TV at this price point limits HDR to only a couple of inputs and not all of them!
That and the remote would be my biggest complaints.
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UK 2017 TV Shootout

Held at the Harefield Academy in Uxbridge (London, England), Sunday August 13

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Participating TVs (all 65"):

• LG B7 OLED TV (OLED65B7V)

• Panasonic EZ1002 OLED TV (TX-65EZ1002)

• Sony A1 OLED TV (KD-65A1)

• Samsung Q9 QLED TV (QE65Q9F)

• Sony ZD9 LED LCD TV (KD-65ZD9)


Reference/Mastering Monitor:

30" Sony BVM-X300 4K HDR OLED ($30K)


Note: The TVs were all calibrated to 200 nits by "HDTVTest’s" Editor and calibrator Vincent Teoh with assistance from Tyler Pruitt (Portrait Displays) and compared to the Sony reference studio monitor.


Results/Winners:


Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Living Room TV: Sony A1 OLED

Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Best Overall TV of 2017: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

Winner!: OLED TVs (Sorry LCD TVs )


Scoring:

Spoiler!


Individual Category Scores:

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Overall Award Scores:

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LINK to the Flat Panel HD Article:

>OLED took home all awards at HDTVTest's annual TV shootout<




LINK to the AVS Shootout Thread:

>UK 2017 HDTVtest TV Shootout<


LINK to Mark's Article (& Thread):

>HDTVtest 2017 TV Shootout: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED Takes Top Prize<


Here are 2 great posts from one of the attendees @RobertR1

[POST #1 l POST #2]

And here's one from another attendee @ARROW-AV [LINK]


Keeping Things in Perspective

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Shootout Pics:

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YouTube Videos:



Special thanks to "HDTVtest"; retailer "Crampton & Moore"; "Vincent Teoh"; @WiFi-Spy ; @ARROW-AV ; @RobertR1 ; and all other participants, judges, and attendees.


Note: The Sony TVs did win the "Video Processing" and "Motion" categories.


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It's pretty clear by now that LCDs won't be winning "measurement tests" when it comes to Contrast ratios, including when it's used for HDR rankings even though eye tests show differently.

I guess I'll take solace having the 5th best TV

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It's pretty clear by now that LCDs won't be winning "measurement tests" when it comes to Contrast ratios, including when it's used for HDR rankings even though eye tests show differently.D
Shows we can't trust our own eyes

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Shows we can't trust our own eyes
Darn, the trash was just picked up. Will have to wait until Thursday to put my Z9D out for them to pick up.
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Joking aside, I'm looking forward to Vincent's recap video. From the pictures it looked like people didnt really get a chance to actually view any of the sets from a normal seating distance. They were either in the stadium seating way too far away to appreciate anything besides the glaring differences, or they were standing about 3ft away from the screen, which is far too close.
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Joking aside, I'm looking forward to Vincent's recap video. From the pictures it looked like people didnt really get a chance to actually view any of the sets from a normal seating distance. They were either in the stadium seating way too far away to appreciate anything besides the glaring differences, or they were standing about 3ft away from the screen, which is far too close.
I get the feeling that when judges talk about haloing or black levels, it's because they're standing close to the tv looking downward =/
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^ welp, time to pack it up boys
I saw the Panasonic yesterday in the store and it was pretty awesome. I have no intention of cross-grading as I my Z9D is perfect for me, but it was the best OLED picture I've seen. That being said it was playing demo material etc etc etc.

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I get the feeling that when judges talk about haloing or black levels, it's because they're standing close to the tv looking downward =/


Or you have white text at 2000 nits with a black background - there are halos for sure even perfectly seated.

At the same time.my iWatch gen 2 has halos on the RGB oled at 1100 nits (Nike watch face in white shows it well)


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Darn, the trash was just picked up. Will have to wait until Thursday to put my Z9D out for them to pick up.
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Ours goes out tomorrow, but I was just informed that they won't take Z9Ds

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SONY didn't agree with me that our Z9 had an image defect (grey oval blob about 10" in length in the upper right hand corner of the screen), so I paid $150 to get an authorized SONY repair shop come out and take a look. Repair shop wrote a note to SONY stating that the HDTV was defective and, surprisingly, SONY has now agreed to replace the TV.


The replacement will carry a 2-year warranty but will be a factory refurbished TV. What does that mean, and should I be concerned? (With the trouble we had to go through to get SONY to replace an under-warranty defective TV, I feel like this 2-year warranty is about as useful as a Donald Trump promise, "believe me"....)


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SONY didn't agree with me that our Z9 had an image defect (grey oval blob about 10" in length in the upper right hand corner of the screen), so I paid $150 to get an authorized SONY repair shop come out and take a look. Repair shop wrote a note to SONY stating that the HDTV was defective and, surprisingly, SONY has now agreed to replace the TV.


The replacement will carry a 2-year warranty but will be a factory refurbished TV. What does that mean, and should I be concerned? (With the trouble we had to go through to get SONY to replace an under-warranty defective TV, I feel like this 2-year warranty is about as useful as a Donald Trump promise, "believe me"....)


All the Best, and remember my new motto: "ABS" (Anybody but SONY).
If it comes straight from Sony you are good to go. Inspect the TV when the shipping guys/gals come ( give them some food and drink and a good tip ) so they will wait around for you to inspect the TV fully . The standard warranty is 1 year, so 2 is a plus. Hopefully it works out for you.
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SONY didn't agree with me that our Z9 had an image defect (grey oval blob about 10" in length in the upper right hand corner of the screen), so I paid $150 to get an authorized SONY repair shop come out and take a look. Repair shop wrote a note to SONY stating that the HDTV was defective and, surprisingly, SONY has now agreed to replace the TV.


The replacement will carry a 2-year warranty but will be a factory refurbished TV. What does that mean, and should I be concerned? (With the trouble we had to go through to get SONY to replace an under-warranty defective TV, I feel like this 2-year warranty is about as useful as a Donald Trump promise, "believe me"....)


All the Best, and remember my new motto: "ABS" (Anybody but SONY).
They told me the same : refurbished if any swap would take place.
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Im seated nearly 6.5m away (21feet) and I haven't seen any blooming or haloing worth complaining about. Looks just awesome. Sure, 75in oled would be great, but the size/price is just so much better for z9d.
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Im seated nearly 6.5m away (21feet) and I haven't seen any blooming or haloing worth complaining about. Looks just awesome. Sure, 75in oled would be great, but the size/price is just so much better for z9d.


I doubt at that distance you could ever tell.

Move closer and it's obvious

Well my Babylon 5 DVDs collection would look great at 21 meters!


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Random thought time...

I've been browsing around during my lunch break ( :look: ) and came across some cool features on Sony's website regarding the X1 Extreme. There's some videos in there too if you click around. The most interesting ones for me are regarding the upscaling features and advanced contrast enhancer, two settings which seem to be commonly misinterpreted but I've enjoyed.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/ful...TOUT02-CLARITY

https://www.sony.com/electronics/hig...OUT02-CONTRAST

If you scroll through, you can see some cool comparisons. Most people are under the impression that the digital noise reduction targets film grain or applies judicial DNR in the traditional sense across the entire frame. Testing this extensively while standing inches away, I've never noticed it make any difference on Blu-ray or UHD in any circumstance. Not even older transfers with lots of grain and dirt. It looks like it works only hand in hand with upscaling feature and lower quality source in particular. It does seem to help on broadcast signals that probably have less info and create more artifacts when upscaling. Reality Creation though, does seem to slightly enhance SDR Blu-ray if you stand real close. Face pores and fine details are slightly improved and distinguished. Anyway, the Auto setting for Reality Creation and Noise Reduction seem to have no negative impact, and potentially a subtle but useful improvement. I know most people just turn them off first thing and never think twice, but the fact that this is a top flight set always makes me consider using certain features and testing them. Thoughts?

Same thing with ACE. I just don't think it works the same way as other TV's. It works hand in hand with the backlight precision and identifies objects so it can better focus the LEDs for better contrast. It's almost indistinguishable on UHD content, but gives subtle depth to SDR. I took a bunch of screenshots on various scenes and I'm hard pressed to not pick the ones with "low/medium" as looking better Anybody else?

Anyway, I just like to have dialogue and dive in and learn from others. I'm sort of a tweaker and my fiance jokes that I spend more time testing than watching.

p.s.- I'm only referring to movies for these tests. Yes I have HZD and RE7 on PS4 Pro and have different settings (like Live Color for fake WCG etc) but for now I'd like to keep the thought on movie watching I also know that OLED is better and halos on small text are obvious
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I've been browsing around during my lunch break ( :look: ) and came across some cool features on Sony's website regarding the X1 Extreme. There's some videos in there too if you click around. The most interesting ones for me are regarding the upscaling features and advanced contrast enhancer, two settings which seem to be commonly misinterpreted but I've enjoyed.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/ful...TOUT02-CLARITY

https://www.sony.com/electronics/hig...OUT02-CONTRAST

If you scroll through, you can see some cool comparisons. Most people are under the impression that the digital noise reduction targets film grain or applies judicial DNR in the traditional sense across the entire frame. Testing this extensively while standing inches away, I've never noticed it make any difference on Blu-ray or UHD in any circumstance. Not even older transfers with lots of grain and dirt. It looks like it works only hand in hand with upscaling feature and lower quality source in particular. It does seem to help on broadcast signals that probably have less info and create more artifacts when upscaling. Reality Creation though, does seem to slightly enhance SDR Blu-ray if you stand real close. Face pores and fine details are slightly improved and distinguished. Anyway, the Auto setting for Reality Creation and Noise Reduction seem to have no negative impact, and potentially a subtle but useful improvement. I know most people just turn them off first thing and never think twice, but the fact that this is a top flight set always makes me consider using certain features and testing them. Thoughts?

Same thing with ACE. I just don't think it works the same way as other TV's. It works hand in hand with the backlight precision and identifies objects so it can better focus the LEDs for better contrast. It's almost indistinguishable on UHD content, but gives subtle depth to SDR. I took a bunch of screenshots on various scenes and I'm hard pressed to not pick the ones with "low/medium" as looking better Anybody else?

Anyway, I just like to have dialogue and dive in and learn from others. I'm sort of a tweaker and my fiance jokes that I spend more time testing than watching.

p.s.- I'm only referring to movies for these tests. Yes I have HZD and RE7 on PS4 Pro and have different settings (like Live Color for fake WCG etc) but for now I'd like to keep the thought on movie watching I also know that OLED is better and halos on small text are obvious
I tried the DNR on low and ACE on low as well on my 940e with 10k's settings I've been using till calibration and have to admit to liking what it did to SDR.

Nice work as I would have just ignored them. Kudos to Sony on this sweet processor
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Anyone else watching game of thrones on this bad boy? I'm only watching my TV once a week at the moment purely for GoT but every time i turn it on i'm like /drool such detail
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Has anyone had their TV just randomly power on and start streaming Google play ads. This has happened on and off for me since the last major update. Twice this week my wife has come home and the Tv is on blurring some Google store movies to rent

It's not even triggering the ARC to turn on the receiver . It's truly bizzare


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Has anyone had their TV just randomly power on and start streaming Google play ads. This has happened on and off for me since the last major update. Twice this week my wife has come home and the Tv is on blurring some Google store movies to rent

It's not even triggering the ARC to turn on the receiver . It's truly bizzare


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What remote are you using? (And do you have a cat....? )



To answer your question, no...I've never had it do anything like that.


Harmony hub. I have no activity to just turn on the tv. It also goes to the google ads that is bizarre.


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I may be doing something wrong, but does anyone know how to unlock Smoothness & Clearness settings under the Motion category in certain picture modes when watching SDR content? I have been testing out some of the popular settings from the thread, but sometimes I find these settings grayed out. Is it a matter of hitting 'Reset' in that section to reset the options? I think I tried that once, but it didn't work, although maybe I am incorrect in thinking that?
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I use my Z9D solely for watching TV, movies, and playing games. I don't stream anything or need to see Netflix, u-tube, google, etc. Since this list will probably be shorter, is there a listing of those aps that should not/not be removed in order for the TV to work properly? I of course would want to be able to use the Action menu and some of the areas on the Home an Discover menus. Just a lot of Apps on this TV that I will never use.

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I use my Z9D solely for watching TV, movies, and playing games. I don't stream anything or need to see Netflix, u-tube, google, etc. Since this list will probably be shorter, is there a listing of those aps that should not/not be removed in order for the TV to work properly? I of course would want to be able to use the Action menu and some of the areas on the Home an Discover menus. Just a lot of Apps on this TV that I will never use.

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

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Well, as Vincent mentions in that video that @dominica posted a couple of days ago, there are any number of processes on this TV that even an experienced reviewer will not recognize. A safe rule when performing housekeeping on any computerized device is not to tamper with any code, file, or app that you are not familiar with or whose function is unclear.

Rather than seeking a list of those apps that should not be removed (which would probably be rather lengthy anyway), you would be better served isolating those that CAN be safely disabled/removed. That would include any downloaded third-party apps that you presently have no interest in (and which you could always reinstall later if needed). You should always proceed with caution whenever removing software or operating in servicing/installer mode because it's very easy for even a professional to inadvertently screw something up.

But unless you are having issues with the processing speed at present, I wouldn't advise removing anything ("If it's not broke, don't fix it"). And remember that a relatively easy, non-invasive way to speed things up with no risk of damaging anything is to reboot the OS once a week or so.
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