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My TV is refusing to update. It says that the TV firmware is up to date. But the firmware version is for the July 2017 firmware update.
Same here. It's common in Android for the updates to roll out in stages. You can install it via USB -- I'm going to wait until this Samba nonsense is worked out. I don't want Samba running. Unless this turns out to be the DV update, in which case I'll install right away.

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I found a USB stick, downloaded the firmware, and stuck in the USB stick into the USB port. Now the TV is updating.

What does samba have to do with the update ??? In fact, what is Samba ?
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In fact, what is Samba ?
Samba is automatic content recognition software that spies on what you're watching to sell you ads on your $XXXX television.

"Samba TV’s advertising technology offers a unique capability by allowing the consumer to instantly interact with any advertisement using a phone, tablet or PC in the same room as a TV. For example, a consumer can easily fetch local showtimes from their so-called “second screen” device while watching a movie trailer on their TV, or find the nearest dealer to test drive a new car."

Looks like some non DV ready sets also got the update, so this might just be a security patch with misc fixes.

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Uh oh.....

Advertising ? Then am I screwed ??? If I don't use my phone or computer to mirror or connect with the TV, do I need to worry ?

Should I look into disabling the Samba service ?
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After i enabled Samba the pop up stopped. So when i got home from work i disabled Samba and forced stop the app and so far no pop up! But after i do a power reset the issue arrives again so basically you have to enable and disable Samba every time you power cycle your TV what a bunch of crap!

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Did the download complete. No issues but no Dolby vision and I an pissed off. This is ridiculous. Come on Sony what the hell. What is the issue. At least say something and give us some info on when that update is going to happen.
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Uh oh.....

Advertising ? Then am I screwed ??? If I don't use my phone or computer to mirror or connect with the TV, do I need to worry ?

Should I look into disabling the Samba service ?
Samba is only one of the many pre-installed apps designed to track (and report on) your habits. There's so much of that crap in these TVs that I honestly think the only way to keep Google and Sony and god-knows-who-else out of your living room is to completely deny internet access.

I suddenly got bit with the Samba bug a few weeks ago. (I'd never heard of it either.) I had done no updates nor made any changes....one morning it just popped up when I turned on the TV, and then every time I powered up after that. So in my case, it wasn't related to an update, and I can only conclude that it somehow got a call from the mothership that it was time to jump into action. I hate....HATE....all this unwanted "connectivity" in my TV. So I disabled everything that looked disable-able and cut off all internet access. It's been behaving like an actual TV ever since!
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Did the download complete. No issues but no Dolby vision and I an pissed off. This is ridiculous. Come on Sony what the hell.
I guess some Sony receivers where getting the DV update, or maybe it was the UHD players I had read about somewhere in the forum.....should be on its way.......
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I guess some Sony receivers where getting the DV update, or maybe it was the UHD players I had read about somewhere in the forum.....should be on its way.......
Good find. Looks like the STR-DN1080 got DV pass through update on 9/27. Here's the proof.

Unfortunately, since we just got a (useless?) Z9D update yesterday, my money would be on the DV update being pushed out at the beginning of November,

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Got my update notice. Postponed.
Went into Samba, noted the service was enabled, set NOTIFICATIONS to OFF.
Proceeded with update.
No problems so far with annoying pop ups, speaking of which....
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Is it possible to download third party apps on the ZD9? If so, how? Opera browser? Want to try one called mobdro

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It should be possible using these instructions. Sideload launcher is available for the Z9D. For me, I'd recommend getting an Nvidia Shield and using that for sideloaded apps instead. Or I'd cast the modbro thingy to the TV from a phone.

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My TV is refusing to update. It says that the TV firmware is up to date. But the firmware version is for the July 2017 firmware update.
I haven't received the software update notice either. I did read the post that it comes in batches.

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I cleared the app data for the Samba app and turned off the notifications for it. Not getting the annoying message again so far after doing that.
I've been away and just got home today. I've disabled Samba a while back. I read about the problems where some are having the Samba notification display on their TV after they've updated to the 10/3/17 software. Tonight I've disabled the Samba notification too so hopefully I won't get the Samba notification after I do the latest software update when it becomes available to my Z9D. I didn't see anything about Samba app data when I went to the the app. How did you clear the Samba app data and where did you find it?

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How did you clear the Samba app data and where did you find it?
Go into the Samba Services Manager and select "Clear data". Also "Clear cache" if not done already. Believe that is what is being referred to.
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Go into the Samba Services Manager and select "Clear data". Also "Clear cache" if not done already. Believe that is what is being referred to.
Yes, that is the procedure I followed. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused by referring to the "Samba App".

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Sony needs to hurry up on the Dolby Vision support. It appears 80% of the Apple TV 4K shows are DV. Several of my recent UHD discs are DV, and even Spider-man: Homecoming which is from Sony is DV - the disc is being released on 10/17. It's just frustrating.
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Sony needs to hurry up on the Dolby Vision support. It appears 80% of the Apple TV 4K shows are DV. Several of my recent UHD discs are DV, and even Spider-man: Homecoming which is from Sony is DV - the disc is being released on 10/17. It's just frustrating.
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Sony needs to hurry up on the Dolby Vision support. It appears 80% of the Apple TV 4K shows are DV. Several of my recent UHD discs are DV, and even Spider-man: Homecoming which is from Sony is DV - the disc is being released on 10/17. It's just frustrating.
I'm getting more and more convinced that there are major issues in Sony's attempt to implement DV on the Z. I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens and am no longer anticipating it's appearance "any day now". I have some 4K BD's with DV that I was holding off watching until DV appeared on the Z. I'm not waiting any longer to watch these. HDR 10 will have to do.

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I'm getting more and more convinced that there are major issues in Sony's attempt to implement DV on the Z. I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens
Nah, no need to worry. (1) There's a guy in another thread in this forum who says he saw the beta DV firmware at the THX lab. Was mentioned in this thread a while back. (2) Sony recently cranked up the marketing of the DV feature on the X1 Extreme television sets. (3) Sony just enabled DV pass through on at least one of its receivers.

Looks more to me like they laid out a schedule at the beginning of the year, and they're sticking to it. Which is what big, bloated companies do. I also have three DV discs sitting, waiting to be watched. I'm holding off on buying others since the price might drop in the next month or two.
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I'm getting more and more convinced that there are major issues in Sony's attempt to implement DV on the Z. I wouldn't be surprised if it never happens and am no longer anticipating it's appearance "any day now". I have some 4K BD's with DV that I was holding off watching until DV appeared on the Z. I'm not waiting any longer to watch these. HDR 10 will have to do.
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Nah, no need to worry. (1) There's a guy in another thread in this forum who says he saw the beta DV firmware at the THX lab. Was mentioned in this thread a while back. (2) Sony recently cranked up the marketing of the DV feature on the X1 Extreme television sets. (3) Sony just enabled DV pass through on at least one of its receivers.

Looks more to me like they have a schedule laid out at the beginning of the year, and they're sticking to it. Which is what big, bloated companies do. I also have three DV discs sitting, waiting to be watched. I'm holding off on buying others since the price might drop in the next month or two.
In bold is one of the most important parts. I cannot see them bothering to get together the art assets and change the product pages if it wasn't going to happen.

Also as I mentioned earlier, marketing something on their page as a feature, even if they say it is in the future, could hold serious revenue recognition ramifications if they never delivered it.
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The update on the Sony e support site reverting back to the July update. That is very strange as I already did the oct. update. And the tv shows the 70 update. Who knows what’s going on.
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The update on the Sony e support site reverting back to the July update. That is very strange as I already did the oct. update. And the tv shows the 70 update. Who knows what’s going on.
That is not very promising. I have that update on my Z and 930E...

I do remember at one point someone got a bad update from one of the update servers. It sounded like there was a forked branch of the update or a different build on one of the update servers and they happened to hit that server for the update.

Before I applied the update I reenabled the Samba Services Manager on my sets and it has been trouble free so far, so hopefully it is OK.
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Yes, that is the procedure I followed. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused by referring to the "Samba App".
Thanks for the clarification. I went back to the Samba Services Manger and selected “Clear Data”.

Still no software update notification on my Z9D, but since the update doesn’t include DV, I guess that it really doesn’t matter. Let’s hope that Sony does not go back on their promise for Dolby Vision for these TVs.
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Maybe they meant to do the DV update....😄
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That would be nice. Hope so
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Yup. You are correct. Some day I'll learn not to download a new update right away. So far, no issues I can see with the recent update that has now been removed. But I do feel insecure now. Knowing how Sony can screw things up, I again am concerned that there will be no DV update. They may have promoted it, but that doesn't mean they didn't run into big problems that will make DV functionality unachievable. That Sony is using a terrible Android system that has to be rebooted on a weekly basis reinforces my lack of confidence in Sony.

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Yup. You are correct. Some day I'll learn not to download a new update right away. So far, no issues I can see with the recent update that has now been removed. But I do feel insecure now. Knowing how Sony can screw things up, I again am concerned that there will be no DV update. They may have promoted it, but that doesn't mean they didn't run into big problems that will make DV functionality unachievable. That Sony is using a terrible Android system that has to be rebooted on a weekly basis reinforces my lack of confidence in Sony.
Yeah, two of us already covered how your fear is likely unfounded. Start worrying if they pull all the references to Dolby Vision from the product pages. Also you being one of the first owners and even when I purchased mine over a year ago, I bought it knowingly without Dolby Vision.

With the X930E, X940E, and A1E, all sharing the same X1E chip, it seems unlikely that they would leave all their high end TVs without the update. At worst they are running into some showstopper issues or maybe they are hung up in Dolby Certification but considering Taxcheat also mentioned the beta was seen in the THX lab, I feel like you are being overly pessimistic.

As far as the need to reboot, since I disable bloatware, I rarely need to reboot mine. I am sure it has to do with all the extra junk they include with not that much RAM and a garbage Mediatek SoC that is causing issues but then again, it has plagued Sony Android TVs for years. So basically, nothing new, just they haven't learned from their mistakes and put decent SoC in to handle the OS.
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My theory is they take their limited supply of Engineers and rotate them to different projects. From Bldg A (TV's) to Bldg B (PS4 Pro) to Bldg C (receivers and BDP's ) back to Bldg A a year later. It is frustrating waiting for DV when just about everyone else has already completed it including multiple additional firmware. Trying out firmware and pulling it is just not good form.

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Yup. You are correct. Some day I'll learn not to download a new update right away. So far, no issues I can see with the recent update that has now been removed. But I do feel insecure now. Knowing how Sony can screw things up, I again am concerned that there will be no DV update. They may have promoted it, but that doesn't mean they didn't run into big problems that will make DV functionality unachievable. That Sony is using a terrible Android system that has to be rebooted on a weekly basis reinforces my lack of confidence in Sony.
Yeah, two of us already covered how your fear is likely unfounded. Start worrying if they pull all the references to Dolby Vision from the product pages. Also you being one of the first owners and even when I purchased mine over a year ago, I bought it knowingly without Dolby Vision.

With the X930E, X940E, and A1E, all sharing the same X1E chip, it seems unlikely that they would leave all their high end TVs without the update. At worst they are running into some showstopper issues or maybe they are hung up in Dolby Certification but considering Taxcheat also mentioned the beta was seen in the THX lab, I feel like you are being overly pessimistic.

As far as the need to reboot, since I disable bloatware, I rarely need to reboot mine. I am sure it has to do with all the extra junk they include with not that much RAM and a garbage Mediatek SoC that is causing issues but then again, it has plagued Sony Android TVs for years. So basically, nothing new, just they haven't learned from their mistakes and put decent SoC in to handle the OS.
OK. I'll now become an optimist.

I'm optimistic that the update I just applied, which has been subsequently pulled, doesn't indicate any issues with Sony.

Sure, I didn't expect DV when I purchased the set. But once Sony said it was coming, everything changed. To think that, if worse comes to worse and the update doesn't come, means nothing was really lost because it wasn't originally expected, just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm a long time devoted Apple customer. But to see what Apple did to HDR in the new 4k Apple TV made me very disappointed in Apple. Apple is getting very arrogant in deciding what is right and what isn't. It seems like they are dumbing down their products for more mass appeal, and making bad software decisions in the process.

Denon had said that my AVR 6200 wouldn't receive a DV update. OK, fine. I purchase a new Denon X6400. No sooner do I do that when we hear that, hey Denon will update the 6200. My point is that over the years, I've seen so many disappointments, issues, promises that don't happen, etc with so many companies that I'm loosing faith, to be quite honest.

And no one should have disable apps to stop the Android issues. That just shouldn't happen. It's Sony's job and responsibility to give us a robust operating system. It isn't my job to come up with a workaround for Sony's problems and perhaps incompetence. And I did disable a bunch of apps and still have to reboot about once a week is I want to use any build in apps.

As you said, Sony wouldn't have announced DV if they weren't sure they could deliver. Well, IMHO, if they were that sure, the software should have been further along than if would appear to be at this point. And licensing from Dolby would have already been locked up before any announcement.

I guess time will tell. And I'll try to be more optimistic.

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My theory is they take their limited supply of Engineers and rotate them to different projects. From Bldg A (TV's) to Bldg B (PS4 Pro) to Bldg C (receivers and BDP's ) back to Bldg A a year later. It is frustrating waiting for DV when just about everyone else has already completed it including multiple additional firmware. Trying out firmware and pulling it is just not good form.
I think it's an inevitable downside to buying tech gear from a huge conglomerate. Just think of the hundreds of individual products they sell that, theoretically at least, require firmware maintenance. Across their retail, commercial, and professional equipment lines of AV gear, cameras, computers, etc....I imagine the "upkeep" is a staggering task. And I would assume that, in any given division, resolving actual bugs and malfunctions has to take priority over planned feature releases.

That isn't meant to excuse them or alleviate owner's frustration, but I just think we have to remember this is invariably what we sign up for with a company like Sony. (By comparison Many of us here have Oppo players. When they have a bug, that's pretty much what Oppo is working on, so it gets addressed quickly.)
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