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LeEco Announces New TVs for US Market

At a press event in San Francisco today, Chinese giant LeEco announced a whole slew of consumer products for the US market, including four TVs. As you may recall, LeEco is in the process of acquiring Vizio as announced last July; see our story about it here. But the TVs introduced today will carry the LeEco nameplate, and they promise to be quite disruptive.

Of most interest to AVS Forum members is the uMax85, an 85" FALD (full-array local-dimming) LED-LCD TV with 448 local-dimming zones. Of course, it provides 4K/UHD resolution, and it's capable of displaying HDR using HDR10 and Dolby Vision. A quad-core CPU and GPU support the TV's Android TV platform with 4 GB of RAM and 64 GB of internal SSD storage for super-quick load times. Other features include a refresh rate of 120 Hz and a Harman Kardon sound system with tuned dual-passive speaker enclosures (whatever that means). And given LeEco's emphasis on content ecosystems, the uMax85's "smart TV" functionality offers many streaming apps as well as something called Ecosystem User Interface (EUI) aggregation, voice search, and Google Cast.


LeEco's uMax85 with EUI

Perhaps most amazing is the price: $5000 for an 85" 4K/UHD, FALD LED-LCD TV with HDR10 and Dolby Vision! Even better, the company is offering $1000 off the list price starting November 2, 2016, through the LeRewards program on its LeMall online store; for more details, click here. I can't tell how long this so-called Flash Sale will last; looking at the site, it might be only one day, but I don't know for sure.

Also announced at the press event were three TVs in the LeEco Super4 X Series. With screen sizes of 43, 55, and 65 inches, all three use LED edgelighting with a 60 Hz refresh rate and are specified to be HDR-capable, though no formats are identified—I would guess they implement HDR10 but not Dolby Vision. They also provide the same CPU/GPU (with somewhat less memory and storage), audio system (except the X43, which has no HK speakers), and Android-based smart-TV features as the uMax85.


LeEco's Super4 X Series

And the prices? $650 for the X43, $900 for the X55, and $1400 for the X65. In addition, you can save $200 on any of them during LeEco's Flash Sale.

Of course, I wouldn't drop that kind of money—even as inexpensive as these TVs are compared with others of similar capabilities—without seeing them for myself, or at least reading the observations from other trusted sources. But at these prices, they could seriously disrupt the TV marketplace.

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Any indication of color space?
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Sounds like they are actually spending serious money on their smart tv chipset unlike Sony. Android TV may actually run like a dream on this thing like we are used to on an Nvidia Shield.

Hopefully this wakes Sony up so they dont go cheap in 2017.

This could also mean Vizio may switch to Android TV next since they already work with Google on the smart cast and LeEco now owns Vizio.
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Their specs state 448 local dimming zones, but also "120Hz Edge LED Backlit Frame Rate". So is it edge lit?
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This is the only other main thread on this TV set:
Le Eco TV'S coming to the USA...
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Their specs state 448 local dimming zones, but also "120Hz Edge LED Backlit Frame Rate". So is it edge lit?

The 85" is FALD while the other three TV sets are edge lit and imo not worth the purchase. The 85" is a massive 4 grand gamble on Nov 2nd without any major review.

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Sounds like they are actually spending serious money on their smart tv chipset unlike Sony. Android TV may actually run like a dream on this thing like we are used to on an Nvidia Shield.

Hopefully this wakes Sony up so they dont go cheap in 2017.

This could also mean Vizio may switch to Android TV next since they already work with Google on the smart cast and LeEco now owns Vizio.
I have no clue what Vizio is going to do since Le Eco owns the Vizio company and the uMax 85 TV has more features for the dollar than any VIZIO TV/Home Theater display they sell.

You can't even get a Sony, Samsung, or LG TV with those features and screen size anywhere near 5 grand.

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Their specs state 448 local dimming zones, but also "120Hz Edge LED Backlit Frame Rate". So is it edge lit?
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The 85" is FALD while the other three TV sets are edge lit.
What kleenex said. LeEco's specs are kinda strange; the one you cite is an excellent example. Another one is in the overview description of HDR in the X-Series: "High-Definition-Resolution color technology increases the color range and visual details in dark and light areas of the picture" In other words, according to LeEco, HDR stands for High Definition Resolution...

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The 85" being 75" wide and the legs right on the edge is going to make it fit on very few stands.
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The 85" being 75" wide and the legs right on the edge is going to make it fit on very few stands.
I agree..
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What kleenex said. LeEco's specs are kinda strange; the one you cite is an excellent example. Another one is in the overview description of HDR in the X-Series: "High-Definition-Resolution color technology increases the color range and visual details in dark and light areas of the picture" In other words, according to LeEco, HDR stands for High Definition Resolution...
Well you do get a 64GB SSD with the 85" TV which is a like a first for a USA TV set.

Now you have room for Apps and Android based Games...
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Anyone know how bright in terms of nits the 85' inch will be?
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85" NCR only 3000:1
QD QDEF? QDCF?

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Vizio + LeEco's resource = no reason to even consider other LCD brands in 2017.
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You had me at....

Harman Kardon sound system with tuned dual-passive speaker enclosures

I, for one am sick of untuned single passive speaker enclosures so LeEco--I'm glad you are doing your part to remove that blight from the TV landscape.

On a less snarky note--good to see more FALD designs coming out, OLED is rolling slow so good to have more options.

Any plans on reviewing one any time soon on AVS?
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I found the specs on the soc and it uses two cortex a72 cores as it's primary cores. This things CPU performance is going to be double an nvidia shield and like 5 - 6 times faster than Sony's Android TVs. Not to mention the 4 GB of RAM and 64 GB of SSD storage.

This thing basically has a $700 Android phone powering it.

No one will be adding a streaming box to this TV. LOL

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Any ideas on if these TVs are wall mountable and if they come with a built in Tuner?
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Do we know it's only 3000? That's bad - one of the strengths of the Sony and vizio is the NC over 5000 at preventing blooming


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Four Thousand for a FALD 85 in Dolby Vision, dropping like a rock off the Golden Gate Bridge!
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https://www.cnet.com/products/leeco-umax85/preview/


For some more images on the TV itself.
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Spec says 3000 for 85, 4000 for 65.
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Spec says 3000 for 85, 4000 for 65.


That is sad. Well I guess at that price point.

The blooming will be bad - that contrast is grey black at best - it's like 2010 lcd


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In addition to the 85-inch model there's a trio of smaller, less expensive TVs:

Super4 X65: 65 inches, $1,400
Super4 X55: 55 inches, $900
Super4 X43 Pro: 43 inches, $650

All have 4K resolution, HDR10 (but not Dolby Vision) compatibility, and lack local dimming, so we don't expect them to perform as well as Vizio's similarly-priced M series. They have the same smart TV system as the 85-incher, albeit with 3GB of RAM and 32GB of storage (the 43-incher has 16GB of storage). All of LeEco's TVs boast Harman Kardon sound, the same sonic partner found in many of LG's TVs.

The company's LeMall website will offer limited-time discounts ($1,000 off the 85-incher; $200 off the smaller sets) for people who sign up in time for the "flash sale" on November 2. LeEco's representatives didn't tell CNET when those discounts would expire.
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I hope I'm wrong, but $3-4K for a 85" fully loaded TV sounds like a recipe for a lousy picture. It might look better than a projector, but I would be surpised if it looks even remotely as good as a Sony or Samsung in that size range.
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I have no clue what Vizio is going to do since Le Eco owns the Vizio company and the uMax 85 TV has more features for the dollar than any VIZIO TV/Home Theater display they sell.

You can't even get a Sony, Samsung, or LG TV with those features and screen size anywhere near 5 grand.
This is a great problem to have and creates pricing wars which only benefit us
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I found the specs on the soc and it uses two cortex a72 cores as it's primary cores. This things CPU performance is going to be double an nvidia shield and like 5 - 6 times faster than Sony's Android TVs. Not to mention the 4 GB of RAM and 64 GB of SSD storage.

This thing basically has a $700 Android phone powering it.

No one will be adding a streaming box to this TV. LOL
Near as I can tell there's nothing on my Sony that's CPU bottlenecked. It's nice they have better CPUs, but they're only used to run the menu system. Something that isn't CPU intensive. I stream via my samsung uhd blu-ray player because it offers better sound formats than I can get from my TV.
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Near as I can tell there's nothing on my Sony that's CPU bottlenecked. It's nice they have better CPUs, but they're only used to run the menu system. Something that isn't CPU intensive. I stream via my samsung uhd blu-ray player because it offers better sound formats than I can get from my TV.
No offense but you are completely wrong. Menu performance is terrible on the Sonys due to the chipset. Use an nvidia shield and you will see the difference.

Its also not just about the menu system. You do realize these are smart tvs that run apps and games, right? I wouldnt be the slightest bit surprised if these TVs are more powerful than a PlayStation 3. The Android TV PlayStore is also starting to grow quite a bit.
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That is sad. Well I guess at that price point.

The blooming will be bad - that contrast is grey black at best - it's like 2010 lcd


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NCR of 3000 is not as bad an an IPS planel of 1000 but it is not great. The KS Samsung have NCR ratios of ~7000:1. I prefer great NCR over local dimming which is not effective when its needed most (pixel to pixel CR e.g. star fields).

Given, the eye can only see a CR of 10,000:1 on any given frame/scene.

Give me QDCF 3000+ nit brightness, 7000 + NCR with dynamic global dimming, and <1% screen reflection. I don't need nor want to pay for OLED blacks, FALD near blacks, thin screen, curved screen, great sound etc.
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And the dynamic contrast is bad too - the algorithm must not be able to completely go to black. So must be just above "off" coupled to 3000:1 native gives you "near black"


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