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Hisense H8C vs. Samsung KS8000, I Need Help!

About 3 weeks ago I bought the Hisense H8C. Great TV for the price. Super deep blacks and amazing PQ. Never seen a television look so good. I use it as a PC monitor and with 444 it's absolutely phenomenal.

That being said, Yesterday I went to BestBuy and bought the Samsung KS8000 because of all the amazing things I've heard about it, just to compare and decide which one I want to keep.

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When it comes to PQ I have to say I give to the H8C. It seems to have deeper blacks than the KS8000 and better color accuracy and white balance. Now the KS8000 does have deeper colors but they don't seem to be accurate no matter what settings I use (Almost accurate but still seem a little off). I've used several different calibration settings and can't seem to remove this very slight green tint it has (Unnoticeable until compared sbs with the H8C). Also, as I said, the blacks and PQ on the H8C are very impressive. I've compared using Netflix, and several 10 bit HEVC sources I've downloaded, also, GTA V. The Hisense always seem to look just a tad bit better.

Yes the KS gets brighter and yes it has better HDR, Although from what I've seen, I'm not very impressed with the HDR on either one. Maybe I haven't seen the right content yet. Any Suggestions?

Wondering if anyone else has compared these 2 and if anyone has any suggestions on what I should do to get the colors correct and possibly deeper blacks. I've lowered the back light, brightness, changed gamma, contrast, smart LED, HDMI black level is set to normal, HDMI UHD color is on. I've tried multiple combinations but no matter what the blacks are just better on the H8C. I really wanted to be impressed with the KS but so far only thing that I'm impressed with are the deeper colors, which I do enjoy, but I also enjoy the very deep blacks of the H8C. The PQ is very impressive on the KS but as I said it looks no better than the H8C and I actually think the H8C looks just a tad bit better, IMO.

Any help or suggestions are very much appreciated. Let me know if you've experienced anything similar. THANKS!

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These two sets aren't even in the same league. If I was you, I would go with whichever one you liked more. It sounds like you are leaning towards the H8C, nothing wrong with that.
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These two sets aren't even in the same league. If I was you, I would go with whichever one you liked more. It sounds like you are leaning towards the H8C, nothing wrong with that.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree they aren't in the same league price wise or even ratings wise but I assure you the H8C gives the KS a run for it's money. I think you'd have to see for your self to really understand, since ratings say other wise. I'd really like to know where the KS really shines because honestly I don't see it. And I am definitely a pixel peeper, always have been. Surely it's better than the $450 H8C!?

There's no real difference in PQ, although imo the H8C looks better. The H8C has deeper blacks but the KS has deeper more vibrant colors. I think I'll keep both lol. I tried to replicate the vibrance from the KS on the H8C and couldn't even come close. Same with trying to replicate the blacks from the H8C on the KS, couldn't come close.

I hope someone can give me some good advice on how to make this thing really shine. Thx.
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Settings used would be helpful. Hard to make something shine without knowing a few facts
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Settings used would be helpful. Hard to make something shine without knowing a few facts
I used calibration settings from ratings.com. Also used settings from this site and settings from a few different youtube videos.

They all looked pretty good but still a slight green tint compared to the Hisense. Also deep reds look almost hot pink no matter what settings I seem to use, just very slightly, would be unnoticeable if i didn't have the Hisense right next to it. Also blues seem to be a little faded compared to the Hisense. Or maybe the blues on the hisense are a little exaggerated. Ugh not sure.

The blacks is what really bothers me. I can't get them as deep as the hisense and it's pretty noticeable since they're sbs.

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These setting do look really good, don't get me wrong. it looks excellent but next to the hisense I can see many issues. Specifically with color accuracy, white balance and blacks.
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You will have to pick between better contrast ratio or brighter display.


pick your poison.



You can try a bias light for the KS ,I personally like to watch movies in a dark enviroment. Just like in the comercial cinemas.


The Vizio P series is a very good option.It Supports Dolby vision and HDR10.
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You will have to pick between better contrast ratio or brighter display.


pick your poison.


You can try a bias light for the KS.
Thanks for the feedback. What is a bias light?
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I'm curious to see how this works out for you. I've got an H8C that like you am truly happy with it's picture. I just ordered the KS8000 myself and hope you find a solution to your picture problem before it gets here. I'd hate to have spent all that extra money for nothing.
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You will have to pick between better contrast ratio or brighter display.


pick your poison.



You can try a bias light for the KS ,I personally like to watch movies in a dark enviroment. Just like in the comercial cinemas.
Me too, they both look great in the dark, since I can lower the brightness. I also noticed in the dark the KS has several spots on the screen from light bleed. Only noticeable in a dark room and only when the screen is completely black, cant't really see it in the day, even with a black screen. I can also see it on the black bars at the top and bottom of movies in the day time. The hisense has absolutely no bleed. Screen is completely black.
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Me too, they both look great in the dark, since I can lower the brightness. I also noticed in the dark the KS has several spots on the screen from light bleed. Only noticeable in a dark room and only when the screen is completely black, cant't really see it in the day, even with a black screen. I can also see it on the black bars at the top and bottom of movies in the day time. The hisense has absolutely no bleed. Screen is completely black.

Well sorry I thought that the H8 was a hisense top of the line ,but is a budget display.


KS8000 with a bias light should be a better option.I have this bias light ,I was using it on my previous edgelit display. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01H7...evL&ref=plSrch.


The vizio P is another option and there is no need for bias light. Dark enviroment performance is better.
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I'm curious to see how this works out for you. I've got an H8C that like you am truly happy with it's picture. I just ordered the KS8000 myself and hope you find a solution to your picture problem before it gets here. I'd hate to have spent all that extra money for nothing.
NICE! It has an amazing image but I see no real improvement over the hisense PQ, besides the more vibrant colors, which I couldn't replicate on the hisense. Oh and better HDR because of the more vibrant colors and it's 1000 nits peak brightness. I watched some of marco polo and wasn't too impressed. I don't think I've seen HDR in it's full glory, yet.

If I had to choose, at this point I would keep the Hisense. But pretty sure I'm keeping both .

You can always return it if you're not happy. If there's no answer by the time you get it maybe you and I can figure it out.

I also noticed on the hisense that netflix loads very fast and theres no pixelation the first 20-30 seconds like I normally see on other devices. It's perfect quality right from the start. Is it like this for you too? On the KS there is pixelation and I've seen it happen randomly throughout whatever show I'm watching, just here and there, not a big deal I guess, especially if your using an external streaming device.

I like the hisense remote better also. The buttons are more responsive than on the KS. My KS also has several spots from light bleed, only noticeable in a dark room and only when the screen is completely black. Not sure if it's worth going through the hassle of exchanging it, especially since I live an hour away from best buy. If it was right down the street I definitely would.
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Well sorry I thought that the H8 was a hisense top of the line ,but is a budget display.


KS8000 with a bias light should be a better option.I have this bias light ,I was using it on my previous edgelit display. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01H7...evL&ref=plSrch.


The vizio P is another option and there is no need for bias light. Dark enviroment performance is better.
Yes, it's a budget display but the PQ disagrees lol. I'll definitely check out bias lighting. Thanks for the info!
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About 3 weeks ago I bought the Hisense H8C. Great TV for the price. Super deep blacks and amazing PQ. Never seen a television look so good. I use it as a PC monitor and with 444 it's absolutely phenomenal.

That being said, Yesterday I went to BestBuy and bought the Samsung KS8000 because of all the amazing things I've heard about it, just to compare and decide which one I want to keep.

Conclusion?
When it comes to PQ I have to say I give to the H8C. It seems to have deeper blacks than the KS8000 and better color accuracy and white balance. Now the KS8000 does have deeper colors but they don't seem to be accurate no matter what settings I use (Almost accurate but still seem a little off). I've used several different calibration settings and can't seem to remove this very slight green tint it has (Unnoticeable until compared sbs with the H8C). Also, as I said, the blacks and PQ on the H8C are very impressive. I've compared using Netflix, and several 10 bit HEVC sources I've downloaded, also, GTA V. The Hisense always seem to look just a tad bit better.

Yes the KS gets brighter and yes it has better HDR, Although from what I've seen, I'm not very impressed with the HDR on either one. Maybe I haven't seen the right content yet. Any Suggestions?

Wondering if anyone else has compared these 2 and if anyone has any suggestions on what I should do to get the colors correct and possibly deeper blacks. I've lowered the back light, brightness, changed gamma, contrast, smart LED, HDMI black level is set to normal, HDMI UHD color is on. I've tried multiple combinations but no matter what the blacks are just better on the H8C. I really wanted to be impressed with the KS but so far only thing that I'm impressed with are the deeper colors, which I do enjoy, but I also enjoy the very deep blacks of the H8C. The PQ is very impressive on the KS but as I said it looks no better than the H8C and I actually think the H8C looks just a tad bit better, IMO.

Any help or suggestions are very much appreciated. Let me know if you've experienced anything similar. THANKS!

Sorry if I wasn't very thorough in this post. If you need more info from me please let me know.
I own both. A 65 KS8000 and the 50 in H8. The H8 is a very good budget TV. In isolation it looks great. But , big but, when you compare them side by side , the picture quality, despite it being bigger (supposed to look worse in 1080p because of bigger size) , is not really in the same ballpark.

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I own both. A 65 KS8000 and the 50 in H8. The H8 is a very good budget TV. In isolation it looks great. But , big but, when you compare them side by side , the picture quality, despite it being bigger (supposed to look worse in 1080p because of bigger size) , is not really in the same ballpark.

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I'd like to know what brought you to this conclusion. What exactly are you comparing?

I also have them sbs and I think the H8 has the edge. This may be due to my picture settings, not sure. But I am a pixel peeper and I have great eyes. Imo the deep deep blacks are what gives the h8 an edge. It also has better color accuracy and white balance from what I've seen. 444 looks better too. But it's all down to preference. Maybe you prefer the more vibrant colors (which I also love and is why I'm keeping both). IMO that's the only place it wins, and of course HDR which i'm still not so convinced of. PQ looks identical and I actually see more detail on the H8 but as I said that could just be because my settings are off.

What settings are you using if you don't mind?
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I own both. A 65 KS8000 and the 50 in H8. The H8 is a very good budget TV. In isolation it looks great. But , big but, when you compare them side by side , the picture quality, despite it being bigger (supposed to look worse in 1080p because of bigger size) , is not really in the same ballpark.

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I see you mentioned 1080p. The h8 really shines in 4k. It looks pretty bad in 1080 from my experience. Maybe that's your problem.

Are you using them as a PC monitor? If so use 4k res with 444 and let me know what you think.
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[QUOTE=DiGiTaL DOPE;48168577]I'd like to know what brought you to this conclusion. What exactly are you comparing?

I also have them sbs and I think the H8 has the edge. This may be due to my picture settings, not sure. But I am a pixel peeper and I have great eyes. Imo the deep deep blacks are what gives the h8 an edge. It also has better color accuracy and white balance from what I've seen. 444 looks better too. But it's all down to preference. Maybe you prefer the more vibrant colors (which I also love and is why I'm keeping both). IMO that's the only place it wins, and of course HDR which i'm still not so convinced of. PQ looks identical and I actually see more detail on the H8 but as I said that could just be because my settings are off.

What settings are you using if you don't mind?[/QUOTE

Do not have access to the TV.s at this moment. Obviously the settings on both TV.s are different. The Samsung has a more detailed menu, for picture adjustment. Suffice it to say they are both adjusted to my particular preferences. The PQ quality comment applies to 480p, 1080 i and p, and 4K.

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I'd like to know what brought you to this conclusion. What exactly are you comparing?

I also have them sbs and I think the H8 has the edge. This may be due to my picture settings, not sure. But I am a pixel peeper and I have great eyes. Imo the deep deep blacks are what gives the h8 an edge. It also has better color accuracy and white balance from what I've seen. 444 looks better too. But it's all down to preference. Maybe you prefer the more vibrant colors (which I also love and is why I'm keeping both). IMO that's the only place it wins, and of course HDR which i'm still not so convinced of. PQ looks identical and I actually see more detail on the H8 but as I said that could just be because my settings are off.

What settings are you using if you don't mind?[/QUOTE

Do not have access to the TV.s at this moment. Obviously the settings on both TV.s are different. The Samsung has a more detailed menu, for picture adjustment. Suffice it to say they are both adjusted to my particular preferences. The PQ quality comment applies to 480p, 1080 i and p, and 4K.

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You might want to read this.

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...RXT98ZMyIXr.97

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I'd like to know what brought you to this conclusion. What exactly are you comparing?

I also have them sbs and I think the H8 has the edge. This may be due to my picture settings, not sure. But I am a pixel peeper and I have great eyes. Imo the deep deep blacks are what gives the h8 an edge. It also has better color accuracy and white balance from what I've seen. 444 looks better too. But it's all down to preference. Maybe you prefer the more vibrant colors (which I also love and is why I'm keeping both). IMO that's the only place it wins, and of course HDR which i'm still not so convinced of. PQ looks identical and I actually see more detail on the H8 but as I said that could just be because my settings are off.

What settings are you using if you don't mind?[/QUOTE

Do not have access to the TV.s at this moment. Obviously the settings on both TV.s are different. The Samsung has a more detailed menu, for picture adjustment. Suffice it to say they are both adjusted to my particular preferences. The PQ quality comment applies to 480p, 1080 i and p, and 4K.

Cheers
Right, I understand. Did you happen to use any calibration settings for the H8? If not I'd recommend using Vapormodel's settings. They're very accurate when it comes to white balance, contrast and color. My H8 looks absolutely phenomenal. Only edge the KS has is the deeper more vibrant colors. If you think the PQ is better on the KS, can you give me any specifics on how you came to that conclusion? Thx!

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Some of the other settings can be adjusted to your taste. I use the same settings but tweaked a little.

With 4k resolution, upscaling 1080p content looks fantastic on PC. I've never used it with cable or satellite so I can't say how it would look.
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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...RXT98ZMyIXr.97

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I'm referring specifically to PQ. Blacks, color accuracy, white balance, contrast. Just the picture quality, nothing else. I know it doesn't have great HDR but neither does the KS, although better than the H8.

Side by side I can see no difference in quality besides the more vibrant colors. In every other way the H8 looks better imo, especially the deeper blacks.

Also they mention in that article that UHD tv's need to have a standard of 1000 nits brightness to be considered UHD, but even the KS only has 1000 nits "PEAK" brightness then dims shortly after to around 550 nits. It never stays at 1000 from what I've read. So in reality it isn't even up to UHD standards.

Anyways man, If I had to choose (which I don't thankfully lol) I would choose the H8 for half the price any day. PQ is identical if not just a tad bit better. HDR goes to the KS but PQ goes to the H8 all day, imo.

Maybe I'll find the correct settings and I'll change my mind in the near future. I really hope that I do. I had really high hopes for the KS8000.
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"Anyways man, If I had to choose (which I don't thankfully lol) I would choose the H8 for half the price any day. PQ is identical if not just a tad bit better. HDR goes to the KS but PQ goes to the H8 all day, imo."

I disagree, and so does my wife, the person I bought the H8 for.

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"Anyways man, If I had to choose (which I don't thankfully lol) I would choose the H8 for half the price any day. PQ is identical if not just a tad bit better. HDR goes to the KS but PQ goes to the H8 all day, imo."

I disagree, and so does my wife, the person I bought the H8 for.

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Right you disagree, which is fine. But I'd still like to hear some specifics on why you disagree. What exactly makes you feel the KS is better? The contrast, brightness? blacks? color? Just wondering man. I've said why I think the H8 is better. Hope you can give me some specifics, I'd really like to hear them.
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Right you disagree, which is fine. But I'd still like to hear some specifics on why you disagree. What exactly makes you feel the KS is better? The contrast, brightness? blacks? color? Just wondering man. I've said why I think the H8 is better. Hope you can give me some specifics, I'd really like to hear them.
Contrast, brightness, blacks, wider color gamut, all of the above.

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Alright, thank you for your feedback. I guess everyone has their own preference. I disagree at this point. Maybe once I get it correctly calibrated I'll change my mind. I really do hope so.
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How are the blacks deeper on the Hisense?
I've seen one and while the picture was good. The KS spanks it in black levels.
The KS is as close as you can get to Plasma for an LED TV.


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If you like Hisense H8C so much, then what is your point of this post? Just keep your H8C. No one in this forum will believe in the hype of H8C, so the Hisense advertising is not very effective in this forum.
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How are the blacks deeper on the Hisense?
I've seen one and while the picture was good. The KS spanks it in black levels.
The KS is as close as you can get to Plasma for an LED TV.


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I have them sitting in front of me right now side by side. The KS does not spank it in black levels lol.. The blacks on the Hisense are just a little deeper.

The black uniformity on the H8 is 9.1 and on the KS it's 9.8. No where near crushing it. The blacks on the h8 are very competitive. On my set they appear to be deeper. I'm hoping someone can help me get the correct settings to get the KS to show that 9.8.

I thought the same thing as you before I bought it. But side by side that's just not the case. So far, anyway. I hope that changes with the correct calibration.
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If you like Hisense H8C so much, then what is your point of this post? Just keep your H8C. No one in this forum will believe in the hype of H8C, so the Hisense advertising is not very effective in this forum.
The point is to get the correct settings and calibration so I can get the deep blacks everyone claims it has. Also to get opinions of others on the 2 tv's.

The KS should look better than the H8 but to me it just doesn't. But as I said numerous times, I don't believe I have it calibrated correctly.

I'm actually keeping both.

What do you mean by no one on this forum will believe the hype?? As if I'm trying to persuade anyone on this forum to buy it lol.. I only come here to get calibration settings and only just signed up today. Why would I care what anyone does on this forum LOL.. Advertising?? Laughable man. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

The people on this forum who have bought the H8 already know what it's all about. I don't need to hype it.

Regardless of what you'd like to believe, hype or not, the H8 has great PQ.

Didn't know there was so much hate for the H8 lol..
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How are the blacks deeper on the Hisense?
I've seen one and while the picture was good. The KS spanks it in black levels.
The KS is as close as you can get to Plasma for an LED TV.


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Yes, I agree. No body hates the little H8. As a matter of fact I'm very pleased with it, especially for what I paid for it. Black levels on the KS are stunning , in my opinion, not bad at all on the H8, just not in the same league.

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Yes, I agree. No body hates the little H8. As a matter of fact I'm very pleased with it, especially for what I paid for it. Black levels on the KS are stunning , in my opinion, not bad at all on the H8, just not in the same league.

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No problem bud. I agree for the price it's amazing. I'm just hoping I can get the KS to look better.

You say no one hates the h8 but someone just commented saying no one will believe the hype of the h8 on this forum, as if people here dislike it.

Also the blacks are in the same league. The black uniformity on the KS is 9.8 and 9.1 on the H8. That's extremely close.

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Yes, I agree. No body hates the little H8. As a matter of fact I'm very pleased with it, especially for what I paid for it. Black levels on the KS are stunning , in my opinion, not bad at all on the H8, just not in the same league.

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By the way, Hisense is supposed to be coming to the US market, in the near future, with larger Quantum Dot TV.'s. I have no doubt they will give Samsung a good run for their money. Right now , not really.

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