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Samsung QLED TVs at CES 2017

Q is the letter of the year when it comes to Samsung's flagship TVs. The QLED Q9, Q8, and Q7 are here and this is the hub for related posts as CES 2017 gets rolling. Click on the headlines to read the full posts:

- Samsung QLED Q9, Q8, and Q7 Quantum Dot TVs Announced at CES 2017

Here's the moment the Q8 and Q9 QLED UHD TVs were unveiled:

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Q is the letter of the year when it comes to Samsung's flagship TVs. The QLED Q9, Q8, and Q7 are here and this is the hub for related posts as CES 2017 gets rolling. Click on the headlines to read the full posts:

(Hang tight... live link coming shortly)

- Samsung QLED Q9, Q8, and Q7 Quantum Dot TVs Announced at CES 2017
Forbes beat you to it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch.../#3f528771741f

And direct from Samsung: https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...ad-of-ces-2017
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By what, 30 seconds?

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By what, 30 seconds?
Based on the timestamps, looks more like 240 (4 minutes ).

Were you at the event? Did you get to see these new 2017 QLED TVs?

If so, any comments on viewing angles appreciated...
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Edge lit? Seriously?
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So, are these actual QLED displays? (like emmisive) Or are they just using that name for their new QD-LCD? To me it sounds like these are basically the same as the LG ones noooo?
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Based on the timestamps, looks more like 240 (4 minutes ).

Were you at the event? Did you get to see these new 2017 QLED TVs?

If so, any comments on viewing angles appreciated...
I am there!

It is improved... But can't be more specific in these conditions.
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Edge lit? Seriously?
Appears so (though we should keep an open mind ).

From the Forbes article:

"Although the glamorous demonstration room Samsung was using at CES was too bright to let me confirm precisely how deep the new TVs’ black levels get, my impression was that these are the best black levels I’ve seen from an LCD TV, and actually challenge the black levels usually associated with OLED technology.

Even better, despite the fact that the Q9/Q8 TVs apparently use an edge LED lighting system, their inky blacks are delivered with what appears to be exceptional uniformity. The banding and haloing problems usually associated with edge LED TVs weren’t visible while watching Samsung’s demo footage on the QLED models.

Again, I’ll need to see the TVs in a much darker environment to be sure just how well Samsung has tackled this traditional LCD TV issue, but my impressions so far are that the improvement from 2016 to 2017 is of night and day proportions."

The praise is certainly noteworthy but hedging on black levels is interesting...
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So, are these actual QLED displays? (like emmisive) Or are they just using that name for their new QD-LCD? To me it sounds like these are basically the same as the LG ones noooo?
These are transmissive LED-lit LCDs
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Edge lit? Seriously?
Yep no FALD at all... Peeps are gonna have to wrap heads around what an evolved edgelit TV can do.
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Wow, Samsung is stating that the new edge-lit TVs provide the best picture quality the company has ever offered in a TV.
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John Archer also saying the viewing angles are better than the oleds due to not having a color shift.

Mark, do blacks turn gray at an angle like normal lcds? Or is it just colors that keep contrast?
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First LG launches RBGW IPS panels, and now Samsung is going edge-lit only. This doesn't sound like a year of significant strides promised leading up to CES.
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These are transmissive LED-lit LCDs
So same basic architecture as the 2016 SUHD TVs?

LED backlight
Quantum Dot Enhancement Film (with improved metal-coated QDs)
LCD lightvalves (VA-type)
Standard RGB Color Filters

No Quantum Dot Color Filters (over LCD), correct?
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The pictures posted on twitter in the past 20 minutes are certainly eye catching with the colors.

Apparently samsung has a demo setup with a qled on top of an oled. Obviously you can't trust demos but it's worth taking a peak at.
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So, are these actual QLED displays? (like emmisive) Or are they just using that name for their new QD-LCD? To me it sounds like these are basically the same as the LG ones noooo?
Just a name.
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Yep no FALD at all... Peeps are gonna have to wrap heads around what an evolved edgelit TV can do.
Seems to me, if you think you need a FALD, you should get an OLED.

I expect the native contrast ratio of these new sets will be good enough for me.
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Edge lit? Seriously?
Looks like another win for old Sytech. (goes nicely with the $1200 I picked up on college football this week). If you look back at the the thread a started six month ago, you can see were we were discussing that the QD in the color filters would make these quasi emmissive and I questioned whether there would be a need for FALD. In fact, FALD could possible disrupt uniformity. This also helps eliminate blooming. The best alternative would have been for edge-lit UV BLU illuminating a perfect blue QDEF. That in turn goes through the QD enhanced Red/Green color filters and straight through for the blue. The only downside I see is now how to get 2500 nit spectral highlights in the correct parts of the screen without elevating the black levels. Perhaps shadow mask like structure that makes the starting black level so low to begin with? Can you say game changer?
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The pictures posted on twitter in the past 20 minutes are certainly eye catching with the colors.

Apparently samsung has a demo setup with a qled on top of an oled. Obviously you can't trust demos but it's worth taking a peak at.
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No surprise that Samsung has abandoned FALD's. They only offered a single set in 2016 and it didnt sell well. FALD LCD's simply arent an economic solution aganist OLED's.

The question was always going to be how high they could push the performance of edge-lit sets and how much those improvements would cost.
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Looks like another win for old Sytech. (goes nicely with the $1200 I picked up on college football this week). If you look back at the the thread a started six month ago, you can see were we were discussing that the QD in the color filters would make these quasi emmissive and I questioned whether there would be a need for FALD. In fact, FALD could possible disrupt uniformity. This also helps eliminate blooming. The best alternative would have been for edge-lit UV BLU illuminating a perfect blue QDEF. That in turn goes through the QD enhanced Red/Green color filters and straight through for the blue. The only downside I see is now how to get 2500 nit spectral highlights in the correct parts of the screen without elevating the black levels. Perhaps shadow mask like structure that makes the starting black level so low to begin with? Can you say game changer?
these have QD in the color filter? QDCF?

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Go to twitter. Type in QLED. Then switch to "live". Not only are there pictures posted but also more articles with additional pictures.

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I am there!

It is improved... But can't be more specific in these conditions.
Cool. Understand that black levels are hard to assess in that bright environment, but viewing angle should be an area where you can make some direct assessment - opinions? A real breakthrough on VA-LCD viewing angles caused by as-yet-unexplained technological breakthroughs?
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No surprise that Samsung has abandoned FALD's. They only offered a single set in 2016 and it didnt sell well. FALD LCD's simply arent an economic solution aganist OLED's.

The question was always going to be how high they could push the performance of edge-lit sets and how much those improvements would cost.
I agree with your perspective.
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Looks like another win for old Sytech. (goes nicely with the $1200 I picked up on college football this week). If you look back at the the thread a started six month ago, you can see were we were discussing that the QD in the color filters would make these quasi emmissive and I questioned whether there would be a need for FALD. In fact, FALD could possible disrupt uniformity. This also helps eliminate blooming. The best alternative would have been for edge-lit UV BLU illuminating a perfect blue QDEF. That in turn goes through the QD enhanced Red/Green color filters and straight through for the blue. The only downside I see is now how to get 2500 nit spectral highlights in the correct parts of the screen without elevating the black levels. Perhaps shadow mask like structure that makes the starting black level so low to begin with? Can you say game changer?
If you're right, you're right, but I'm not seeing where you getting confirmation of QDCF.

Source / link?
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Cool. Understand that black levels are hard to assess in that bright environment, but viewing angle should be an area where you can make some direct assessment - opinions? A real breakthrough on VA-LCD viewing angles caused by as-yet-unexplained technological breakthroughs?
Right now that's what it's looking like. These TVs are holding up viewed way off axis. Pixel structure, lower surface reflection.
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Can only fine small pics so far. Really want to see one with a star-field. It is like the haze has been lifted from my eyes.

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Right now that's what it's looking like. These TVs are holding up viewed way off axis. Pixel structure, lower surface reflection.
Do blacks turn gray? Even at best buy, its easy to see blacks turn at an angle on the Lcds.
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Cool. Understand that black levels are hard to assess in that bright environment, but viewing angle should be an area where you can make some direct assessment - opinions? A real breakthrough on VA-LCD viewing angles caused by as-yet-unexplained technological breakthroughs?
Right now that's what it's looking like. These TVs are holding up viewed way off axis. As for breakthroughs... Pixel structure, lower surface reflection. That's the word.
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