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Sony X930E/X940E Anticipation Thread

Just announced at CES today, the new 2017 Sony XBR models, the X930E in 55" and 65" and the X940E in 75".



Not a ton of information out there yet, but this is what we know:

X1 Extreme Processor - the same one used in the Z9D that was released in the fall with object-based image processing

Dolby Vision support (as well as HDR10)

Triluminous WCG

New Slim Backlight Drive+ on the 55" and 65" 930E featuring dual-layer light guides and dual layers of edge-mounted LEDs along the top and bottom of screen.

The 940E in 75" will feature full-array local dimming (FALD) with reportedly a greater number of zones than last year's 940D.

Sony Press release on new TVs.

Will update with more information as it becomes available.

1/5/17 Edit: Edited to correct explanation of Slim Backlight Drive+ based on newly available information and updated 940E information to indicate it should have more zones than the 940D.
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So essentially the same as the 940D with an updated processor and DV?
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So essentially the same as the 940D with an updated processor and DV?
No details yet on number of dimming zones, panel type, or anything else really, but from what's been released so far, it looks like that.
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I'm in depending on price, Still leaning towards the X930D though since the E is most likely going to be significantly higher at release.
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I wonder if they maintained the 3D capability for Blu ray? I can't tell as the Sony website is kind of a mess.....details looked mixed up right now. I hope they kept the 3D, as I am looking at OLED but want more than 65" at something like the current 940 price......improvements including Dolby Vision are very welcome.
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I wonder if they maintained the 3D capability for Blu ray? I can't tell as the Sony website is kind of a mess.....details looked mixed up right now. I hope they kept the 3D, as I am looking at OLED but want more than 65" at something like the current 940 price......improvements including Dolby Vision are very welcome.
The 940s 3D performance is pretty subpar, from what I've read. Very much riddled with crosstalk.
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I'm probably in on this one as well, unless the A1E is cheaper than I expect it to be, in which case I'll consider it as well. Anyone know what the street price of the 55X930D's were when they launched?
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I'm probably in on this one as well, unless the A1E is cheaper than I expect it to be, in which case I'll consider it as well. Anyone know what the street price of the 55X930D's were when they launched?
I believe the 55X930D was $3300 (USA) when it launched and the 65X930D was $5000. I just bought the x930D for $1500.

I'm still a noob and did not know CES 2017 was coming up. I want a good degree of future proofing and would like both HDR10 and Dolby Vision in my set.
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The 940s 3D performance is pretty subpar, from what I've read. Very much riddled with crosstalk.

Are you referring to the 75X940E and it's 3D performance? I was wondering if it even has 3D so I can still use the disc's I have. If it has 3D, I am not sure anyone has seen it's performance or can assume that Sony has not tried to improve it's 3D due to criticism.


I hope it still has 3D.......it certainly will outperform the 2017 LG's ! I am keeping both of my Panasonic ST60's (one 50", one 65").


I may have to rely on a projector (which I plan to get) for 3D......but by the time JVC brings out a true 4k that I can afford.......they may drop 3D also.
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Are you referring to the 75X940E and it's 3D performance? I was wondering if it even has 3D so I can still use the disc's I have. If it has 3D, I am not sure anyone has seen it's performance or can assume that Sony has not tried to improve it's 3D due to criticism.


I hope it still has 3D.......it certainly will outperform the 2017 LG's ! I am keeping both of my Panasonic ST60's (one 50", one 65").


I may have to rely on a projector (which I plan to get) for 3D......but by the time JVC brings out a true 4k that I can afford.......they may drop 3D also.
I was referring to the 940D. That last letter makes a world of difference I suppose.
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I believe the 55X930D was $3300 (USA) when it launched and the 65X930D was $5000. I just bought the x930D for $1500.

I'm still a noob and did not know CES 2017 was coming up. I want a good degree of future proofing and would like both HDR10 and Dolby Vision in my set.
I might have to wait for prices to drop a little bit on this one then; don't really want to pay much more than about $2000 for a 55" TV. Hopefully having the Z9D and the A1E around causes Sony to list the prices of the 930/940E a little lower than they did the 930/940D. Probably wishful thinking though.
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I was referring to the 940D. That last letter makes a world of difference I suppose.

Hopefully the new one improves........and I think it will be better (not sure if it is 3D yet)......new lighting system "the best ever" according to Sony as reported on engadget.com.



https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/04/...sion-and-oled/
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First video I've seen outside of the event of the European XE93 (X930E in the USA and X9300E in Australia).


Doesn't say too much but confirms for me at least, that these 93/94 E displays are going to be quite similar to the D's, however with the updated chipset.

To be honest, my gut says that this extreme processor from the Z9D is what will remove the smearing issue from the 93/94 E series displays.

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At the Sony website the info for the backlight system used in these 2017 models imply that the upcoming XBR75X940E will use the same "Backlight Master Drive" as used on the Z9D with individually controlled LEDs whereas the 55" and 65" models will have an updated version of last year's "Slim Backlight Drive" now renamed "Slim Backlight Drive+".

The question i have is : if this upcoming XBR75X940E is essentially an improved Z9D at what i imagine would be a much lower price point, will the Z9D be eliminated from sales so soon after its introduction or will Sony have it available for a few more months ?

I don't know how Sony will be able to justify a msrp of $9K for the Z9D when the better (?) 75X940E could possibly have a considerably lower msrp, around $6K or so ?

I am rather confused by Sony's model's availability and sales strategy for its top-of-the-line LCD UHD sets since the introduction of the 75X940C in Summer 2015, followed by the 75X940D barely 6 months later, then the Z9D again barely 6 months later and now the 75X940E.

Could the company at least differentiate these model numbers so as to avoid customer confusion and seller obfuscation ?

At any rate i feel that Sony has backed itself into a corner by using these nearly identical numbers for what now appears to be a class of UHD sets that has existed for three generations , "the 940 class", and considering the company's website is currently offering the 940D for $4,299.00 why should we consumers pay much more than that for the upcoming 940E ?
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At the Sony website the info for the backlight system used in these 2017 models imply that the upcoming XBR75X940E will use the same "Backlight Master Drive" as used on the Z9D with individually controlled LEDs whereas the 55" and 65" models will have an updated version of last year's "Slim Backlight Drive" now renamed "Slim Backlight Drive+".

The question i have is : if this upcoming XBR75X940E is essentially an improved Z9D at what i imagine would be a much lower price point, will the Z9D be eliminated from sales so soon after its introduction or will Sony have it available for a few more months ?

I don't know how Sony will be able to justify a msrp of $9K for the Z9D when the better (?) 75X940E could possibly have a considerably lower msrp, around $6K or so ?

I am rather confused by Sony's model's availability and sales strategy for its top-of-the-line LCD UHD sets since the introduction of the 75X940C in Summer 2015, followed by the 75X940D barely 6 months later, then the Z9D again barely 6 months later and now the 75X940E.

Could the company at least differentiate these model numbers so as to avoid customer confusion and seller obfuscation ?

At any rate i feel that Sony has backed itself into a corner by using these nearly identical numbers for what now appears to be a class of UHD sets that has existed for three generations , "the 940 class", and considering the company's website is currently offering the 940D for $4,299.00 why should we consumers pay much more than that for the upcoming 940E ?
AFAIK, the "C" models are 2015 models, the "D" models are 2016, the "E" models are 2017 and so on. The Z9D was introduced in late 2016, so it will be kept around in 2017 - at least for the time being.
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I don't see it as so confusing IMO.

The backlit 940D has some issues, clearly. Adding more of the internals of the Z9D, which is still intended on being the flagship, should help with those issues with the 940E.

I guess it isn't perfectly clear what the difference will be between the Z9D and 940E, but there must be something to differentiate the two.

I'm a little concerned that I've just bought the 940D with these issues, and I can't replace it as there are no more left in Australia through the retailer I bought from (or any others from what I gather).

I'm told I have 6 months to return the TV if no firmware update comes to fix the issue with the 940D, at which point I may be able to switch to the 940E, albeit at a much higher price being so new.

Actually now I am confused lol.
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that will very interesting if they put the MBL drive in the 940 as well as the X1E chip. Might fix the dark corners the current units have too, and if they sort out all the motion and uniformity issues, I might go back to considering the 940 as my next buy. Right now, 65" Z9D is top of the list.
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So essentially the same as the 940D with an updated processor and DV?
That would be enough to make me want one.
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From those videos, it looks like the 930 still suffers from dark corners!
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I don't believe the 940E will have the BMD from what I've read. The website is unfortunately a bit confusing right now, typical early-CES updates before the correct information has had a chance to propagate throughout all of the people who need to know to get it right.

Here's the breakdown as I see it:

930D -> 930E: You gain the X1 Extreme, Dolby Vision, and improved edge-lighting.

940D -> 940E: You gain the X1 Extreme and Dolby Vision. The backlight has just been described as FALD in the press releases, no mention of BMD.

The Z9D remains the Z9D, but will get DV through a firmware update. The way I read it the BMD will remain a Z9D exclusive and be the big difference between the Z9D and the 940E.
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The 75X940E is going to debut at $7999 isn't it? What happened to the days of a high end set costing 3-5k? Maybe the Z9D sitting at $8999 will drive the price of the 940E down a bit..

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Having a mind blank, what is BMD?
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Backlight Master Drive


For the life of me I can't recall where I read it last night, but the 75" X940E doesn't use the slim master drive which is edge lit, but the same master drive as the Z9D FALD.

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My 930C will be goin to the bedroom in the near future along with my Panasonic player. Its gonna be wait and see the next few months on what these sets will cost? That new OLED is weird! Crazy stand , I don't hang my tv. But the way that thing sits is gonna be a challenge for me plus it may be out of most people's price range. I may be interested in that new 940E LCD with Dolby Vision or wait till they do a lower priced OLED with a conventional stand. The new Sony player has hardly any info either, Dolby Vision update? For now I'm gonna enjoy what I got!
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I returned my recently-purchased 940D because of smearing issues. My NIB replacement had the same issue.

Now that I see the 940E I am very interested, and impatient (because I have no living room TV now!). I really hope these issues are resolved, and I'll buy at full or near-full price MSRP if so:

  • No smearing (or VERY subtle)
  • Reduced input lag for gaming

And these would be nice to resolve from the 940D but not a deal breaker:

  • Reduced blooming (more/improved LEDs?)
  • Reduced/emliminated faded corners

Keeping my fingers crossed
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Backlight Master Drive
In other words we can leave the solar system with this tv! Lol
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The new Slim Back Light Drive + (X93E, X94E) vs Backlight Master Drive (Z9) so that where we stand right now, correct? We need to know the difference.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/tele...E-X940E-Series
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The new Slim Back Light Drive + (X93E, X94E) vs Backlight Master Drive (Z9) so that where we stand right now, correct? We need to know the difference.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/tele...E-X940E-Series
It is, but like I stated, the 75" version of the X94E is FALD so it can't use the new slim backlight drive which is edge lit
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Looking at Sonys site there is only one 940e and that's 75". The 930e is 55" and 65". So perhaps no more FALD and the only difference between the 940e and 930e is size. Both models now slim backlight drive +.
Edit: footnote #1 says 940e is FALD......nevermind
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