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3D and Curved Screen TVs Fade Away

Sometimes there is a story in what you don't see at CES. In 2017, it was the complete absence of flat panels that support 3D, as well as the decreased presence of curved screen televisions. Click the link to read more: http://www.avsforum.com/3d-and-curve...tvs-fade-away/


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Don't like the curve. I like 3D but rarely watch it.
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never cared for the curves when i just picked up a 65 in sammy i went flat
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took some years but finally.

now they have to remove the smart "features" and we are back at TVs.
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I know I am in the minority, but I actually like the slight curve. I know it doesn't add anything, but I think it looks cool. If the price is the same (like LG does) I would choose curve. No way I would pay the premium like Samsung wants.

I really wish 3D was done right from the get go. A good TV, and it is so freaking immersive. I'll never forget watching Avatar on the Sony XBR X900A for the first time. It blew me away, and I went on a 3D buying rampage.
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Definitely won't miss the curve, but I do kinda like 3D. I don't watch it terribly much, but it is a fun experience when I am in the mood to dawn the glasses.
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I'm all for offering consumers choice, but I'm glad those gimmicks are going away in favor of (hopefully) pursuing picture quality: contrast, color volume, color accuracy, black levels, input lag, motion handling, and so on.
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Good riddance to curved screens. On the other hand, I am a big fan of 3-D opting to see theatrical releases in the format whenever possible. I also have a large library of disks in my collection. I find the omission of 3-D from manufacturers 2017 lineup disappointing but not necessarily the end. Right now, efforts are underway to petition LG to consider adding support back into its 2018 models. Perhaps once the engineers fine tune UHD, assuming UHD PQ is a primary motivator for the drop, they'll feel more comfortable adding it back as a supported format?
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Good riddance to curved screens. On the other hand, I am a big fan of 3-D opting to see theatrical releases in the format whenever possible. I also have a large library of disks in my collection. I find the omission of 3-D from manufacturers 2017 lineup disappointing but not necessarily the end. Right now, efforts are underway to petition LG to consider adding support back into its 2018 models. Perhaps once the engineers fine tune UHD, assuming UHD PQ is a primary motivator for the drop, they'll feel more comfortable adding it back as a supported format?
The problem is people are voting with their wallets. While I do not have actual sales figures, I would venture to say people were not paying the premium price 3D demanded, often $10 - $20 more expensive than the blu-ray only counterpart. A few times I paid north of $40 for a 3D blu-ray version.
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Let me chime in -- excellent 3D is the most immersive viewing experience available. Period. On a 130" screen properly set up
the effect is breathtaking.

I hope that 3D leaving flat panels does not inhibit the OEMs from keeping it in projectors. I am worried -- there is no 4K 3D standard, nor have I heard of one being planned.

Curved screens -- I never saw the point.
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I never looked into the why for curved screen because it seemed ridiculous at the time. Does anyone know what the supposed benefits of a curved screen were all about?

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I never looked into the why for curved screen because it seemed ridiculous at the time. Does anyone know what the supposed benefits of a curved screen were all about?
Making people think they had to buy a new HD TV?
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Yeah maybe. On the surface it never made any sense to me. 3D I can sort of see for a few enthusiast but as long as glasses were required, it seemed to have a small market.

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Happy to see Samsung with a flat top of the line display. I hope that it continues to be like that. Curve was a big disappointment for many,many people.Many of their costumers bought a curve tv because that was the only option.


I like the way the Q9 flush to the wall,with little to no gap.

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I think 3d only works on a 100" screen anyway, I'm fine with tv's losing 3d, as long as there are still 3d projectors. But the problem there is that if no new tv's have 3d, then home 3d content will not be made available, they won't make 3d blurays if only projector people can buy them. Its so funny, because in the movie theater they force everyone to see in 3d by not having any 2d showings for popular movies. I have to go to the smaller theaters with cheap sound in order to watch Star Wars or some Marvel films in 2d, my preference 90% of the time. But now there won't be any way to watch them in 3d at home for the few I would want.

The only time I'd ever consider a curved screen is something like a 25 to 35" 21:9 monitor for pc use. I could see that being cool for gaming. A curved screen at less than 100" is only good for one viewer in the center.
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I never looked into the why for curved screen because it seemed ridiculous at the time. Does anyone know what the supposed benefits of a curved screen were all about?
The idea is that on a large screen it makes you feel more immersed in the movie. There were two problems. Initially the curve was too dramatic and had a fish eye effect. Also, you would really need a screen of 100"+ to get that immersive feeling from a curved screen unless you were like 3 feet away.
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Is Sony out of the 3D race for their TVs too? If that is the case, I'm done with TVs and I will be going to projector. I care more about 3D then anything 4k HDR so far. Watching The Force Awakens in 3D on my 78" Sammy JS9500 is a FAR Better Experience than anything I have seen on 4K UHD BD so far (and yes that's including Pacific Rim).

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Immersion....

One of the most important parts of that is SILENCE and isolation from any distraction.
Next is STORY, a good story with good acting is at most importance to not break the suspension of disbelief.
This alone will do 99% of the immersion job even on a 21" CRT.

After you get that, screen size, contrast ratio, color space, 3D, high frame rate, and good audio system will enhance immersion.
Yes, 3D will enhance the immersion too but it falls under the same category as color space and contrast ratio, these are not essential for an engaging experience.

The point is to overwhelm or detract the senses for an hour and a half and bring your mind into a story.
For me, the decision to consciously suspend my disbelief before I watch a movie does a great deal of enhancing the experience for me.
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3D going away!?!?! A few people here will have to rot on a TV set until it fully croaks.
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Curved=good riddance
3D I'm a little sad to see it die. I have a 55" Samsung with 3D and while it was cool it just wasn't worth the trouble. It made everything feel claustrophobic. But when I bought a projector and a 120" screen that's when 3D finally started to shine. Hopefully projector makers will keep 3D as an option in the foreseeable future.
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Curved TVs silly but 3d I am kinda sad to see go away, granted 3d makes more sense on projectors and much larger screens and as others have commented when it comes to depth of field, HDR comes really close to almost 3d viewing, you just lose the in your face effects which done right was very amusing.

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I like the curve because I sit dead center and use a corner setup in my living room. I do think the oled curve was much more practical and you could barely tell it was curved.
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Curved TV is my saving grace as I have light shining from both sides of the living room and the curve hides it from both sides. B/c of the light, I had never been content with Flat screens, and they just look weird now without any dept to the image. But I'm most likely one in a thousand with that particular situation and have gotten used to the more "Depthy" (not a real word) look
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I love 3d on the LG oled 55e6p. Watching Step-up, pacific Rim, the Hobbit, to name a few in 3D on that TV is quite an experience, even watching 2d to 3d conversion for photos and museum pictures on that TV is incredible. When I invite friends over and want to impress them with this TV I start with 3D. Color rendition, brightness, depth, and picture quality is what makes this TV shine in 3D. Even watching 3D from a side angle is great.

4K is great as well but in my reviews on Amazon I highlighted the exceptional 3D performance of that TV. It is sad that LG is abandoning 3D in the 2017 lineup.

HDR and Dolby Atmos might follow the same path as 3D if companies are not careful marketing the product at a reasonable price with a quality presentation at theaters. What killed 3D in theaters is the high ticket price and the low quality of projections in most theaters. Not to mention most movie production companies opting for low cost conversion of 2D movies to 3D vs. shooting with 3D in mind as done in Avatar, Step Up and the Hobbit.
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Good, now they only need to kill off 3D in the cinemas so we can enjoy 2D with Atmos sound which currently is impossible in the UK.
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Was originally against the curve, but once I got one # 1 It allowed me to put a bigger set inside my cabinet #2 3D, when I watch it, the rare time, was more immersive, # 3 Don't even notice it any more. # 4 When I purchased a bigger flat 75", kept seeing a curve in it for the first little while.
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As for 3D, it never caught on outside enthusiasts. Penetration on TV hardware reached well into double digits. Penetration on software usage never exceeded very low single digits. This is a bummer for fans, but was inevitable. It was supposed to spike a sales revolution but TV sales only went down or sideways in the 3D era.

As for the curve, well, yeah this was an awful idea that came out of a genital-measuring contest between Samsung and LG. Both learned that just because you can do something doesn't mean anyone will care. The market spoke very loudly on this.
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I never looked into the why for curved screen because it seemed ridiculous at the time. Does anyone know what the supposed benefits of a curved screen were all about?
Ideally it reduced the issue of proper viewer placement when watching 3D.

But its really a concept IMHO that is proper for small screen such as a computer game setup or a very large screen size that approximates a commercial theater so you can take in additional area of the film when being presented.

Where curved screens failed were with the mainstream 55" to 75" IMHO, you just got the stylistic look, but got stuck with limited seating.

There was also the damage aspect during transport and setup you had to contend with.

Now why the sudden shift to less curved from Samsung, its simple its their QLED that has greatly improved off axis viewing angles, why would you hamstrung a curved monitor to that model concept?

As for LG dropping support for passive 3D playback, its likely the SoC device developer doesn't see the onus to continue 3D support.

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I have 2 3D displays My 80in tv and my projector This will suck really hope the 4k projectors support it
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I can say emphatically that a 4k curved screen computer monitor (gaming or otherwise)...in the 34"-43" size class is flat out "must have". It will immerse you in close range gaming and computing unlike anything except VR. I actually like it much better than VR. So I think big curved screen monitors will actually grow and eventually proliferate in the Computer/Gaming category. From 2-3 feet away, you feel like you are gently wrapped inside a 65"-100" gaming field. 3D is another thing entirely to me. I always thought it was a technology that should have been specific to projectors. And IMO projector makers would be wise to continue to include it with HDR. If perfected with HDR...it should be capable of projecting a pseudo 3D like image without glasses (even with 2D movies). PJ makers should take ownership of 3D with HDR...and not abandon it. Especially since most of them are wisely offering "Ultra" ST 4k & 1080p projectors these days.
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