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*OFFICIAL* 2017 Sony XBR-X940E - Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

Never started an Owner's Thread, but here's for you fellow 940E Owners! Just got setup today and I have to say, Im blown away! I haven't even touched any picture settings and am on the "Standard" setting...Blown. Off axis viewing is amazing..QLED what? . Post any video settings that you've dialed in or any tips you might have. Im new to 4k/HDR, playing HDR content from Amazon, Xbox one, or youtube...I don't see HDR engaging even though it is set to AUTO. It noticeably turns on when I change from AUTO to ON, but I don't know if thats 'forced/simulated' HDR or actual HDR video feed. Im psyched to be a fellow 940E owner, hope everyone is enjoying it!


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Well I havent received my X940E yet but its on its way. Just got my email saying delivery within 5 - 7 days. I am so stoked so I guess its been purchased that makes me an owner right? Anyways congrats enjoy your set!
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Never started an Owner's Thread, but here's for you fellow 940E Owners! Just got setup today and I have to say, Im blown away! I haven't even touched any picture settings and am on the "Standard" setting...Blown. Off axis viewing is amazing..QLED what? . Post any video settings that you've dialed in or any tips you might have. Im new to 4k/HDR, playing HDR content from Amazon, Xbox one, or youtube...I don't see HDR engaging even though it is set to AUTO. It noticeably turns on when I change from AUTO to ON, but I don't know if thats 'forced/simulated' HDR or actual HDR video feed. Im psyched to be a fellow 940E owner, hope everyone is enjoying it!
I'll be watching closely as this "could" be my next TV. I have a 65" ZT60, and at a seating distance of 11 ft I need BIGGER Besides, the ZT60 will fit in my bedroom nicely...... as long as I can figure out what to do with the Kuro
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I've never seen HDR video in person, and we just went from 'auto' to 'on' and Im pretty sure its artificial HDR, but wow My Wife and I are dang near blind, this TV is extremely bright!! Lot of settings I don't recognize from Sonys labeling, need to figure out what triggers HDR content..
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I've never seen HDR video in person, and we just went from 'auto' to 'on' and Im pretty sure its artificial HDR, but wow My Wife and I are dang near blind, this TV is extremely bright!! Lot of settings I don't recognize from Sonys labeling, need to figure out what triggers HDR content..
In home screen, go to settings > external inputs > hdmi signal format > select hdmi you want to receive HDR > enhanced format....tv will restart now you can receive HDR via that input. Netflix will automatically switch to HDR when watching Marco Polo, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and a few other shows. You must be subscribed to $11.99 Netflix streaming plan to receive 4k HDR. Amazon will also switch automatically with select shows Man in the High Castle but you must select UHD version. They are seperate from regular version....always look for black diagonal banner that says UHD across top box cover of show or film on Amazon. Have fun and enjoy your tv!
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I was made aware in the anticipation thread that not only a Sony mount works with this TV (I was aware of that fact ) but using the Sony I was able to make it a 0-gap flush mount as planned due to the small footprint..
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Curious if you or the other owner can do a zone count. Using the youtube app, search for "avsforum zone counter". Watch the white block from an angle and count how many times you see the zones change. It's fairly easy but good to do it a few times.
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Officially committed to the 940e. Mine ships tomorrow. I am excite! Just upgraded my living room to 5.1.2 to match =)
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It would be great if someone could run the black ball on the white screen video on YouTube. I'm curious to know if the ghosting issue is still aparent on the 940e. Thanks in advance
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It would be great if someone could run the black ball on the white screen video on YouTube. I'm curious to know if the ghosting issue is still aparent on the 940e. Thanks in advance
I'm hoping the X-1 Extreme gets rid of that issue.
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It would be great if someone could run the black ball on the white screen video on YouTube. I'm curious to know if the ghosting issue is still aparent on the 940e. Thanks in advance
I'm hoping the X-1 Extreme gets rid of that issue.
I don't think it's the processor. The X-1 is a great processor and on the C-Series it doesn't happen. Has something to do with the design of the set or software
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I don't think it's the processor. The X-1 is a great processor and on the C-Series it doesn't happen. Has something to do with the design of the set or software
Hopefully we'll get an update from an owner soon as to whether this is still, or a non, issue.
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Curious if you or the other owner can do a zone count. Using the youtube app, search for "avsforum zone counter". Watch the white block from an angle and count how many times you see the zones change. It's fairly easy but good to do it a few times.
Sure, I'll try that out in a few and report back
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Hopefully we'll get an update from an owner soon as to whether this is still, or a non, issue.
I'll try it out, only thing is Im on out of the box settings still, 'standard' looks great, but I know it needs some tweaking. I only say this because my last set, an LG, had lots of issues with ghosting and other weird things that I was able to iron out adjusting the picture enhancement settings. Being new to Sony, Im not exactly sure which enhancements do what yet and I haven't touched them, but I will try that vid..


edit: I did turn CineMotion off and MotionFlow off right off the bat, the Soap opera effect was major in effect.

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Hopefully we'll get an update from an owner soon as to whether this is still, or a non, issue.
I'll try it out, only thing is Im on out of the box settings still, 'standard' looks great, but I know it needs some tweaking. I only say this because my last set, an LG, had lots of issues with ghosting and other weird things that I was able to iron out adjusting the picture enhancement settings. Being new to Sony, Im not exactly sure which enhancements do what yet and I haven't touched them, but I will try that vid..
It's not something that the settings can fix. It's not motion related. The motion on Sony sets is top notch. It's like seeing a trail behind the moving object. On the YouTube app search for black ball on white screen. Just curious if you see the trail of the ball behind it as it moves on the white screen. Thanks
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Sure, I'll try that out in a few and report back

If I did it right I saw 15 columns x 17 rows = 255 zones. I know the 940D was around 120? At first I didn't see it but the white square would brighten every time it hit a new zone if Im not mistaken, if I'm right 255 is the count. I might have missed 1-2 columns/rows, I have 4 kids running around, but I counted at least 15x17.
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It's not something that the settings can fix. It's not motion related. The motion on Sony sets is top notch. It's like seeing a trail behind the moving object. On the YouTube app search for black ball on white screen. Just curious if you see the trail of the ball behind it as it moves on the white screen. Thanks
Yes, Im seeing a trail. I guess its a good thing I don't watch black balls on white screens! lol. Everything I've watched so far has looked amazing, I thought it might be the youtube vid, but alas on my laptop no trailing.


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It's not something that the settings can fix. It's not motion related. The motion on Sony sets is top notch. It's like seeing a trail behind the moving object. On the YouTube app search for black ball on white screen. Just curious if you see the trail of the ball behind it as it moves on the white screen. Thanks
Yes, Im seeing a trail. I guess its a good thing I don't watch black balls on white screens! lol. Everything I've watched so far has looked amazing, I thought it might be the youtube vid, but alas on my laptop no trailing.
That's unbelievable even the Z series has it. I know you don't watch a blackball on a white screen but it's aparent if you're watching hockey or on commercials with a white background and dark lettering when it slides in and out. I'm not a huge hockey fan but if you are you see it with the sticks, the puck and the players as they move on the ice. I can't believe they didn't fix the issue.
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If I did it right I saw 15 columns x 17 rows = 255 zones. I know the 940D was around 120? At first I didn't see it but the white square would brighten every time it hit a new zone if Im not mistaken, if I'm right 255 is the count. I might have missed 1-2 columns/rows, I have 4 kids running around, but I counted at least 15x17.
The C had 128, the D had 96, so if it's in the mid-200s, that's very impressive.
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If I did it right I saw 15 columns x 17 rows = 255 zones. I know the 940D was around 120? At first I didn't see it but the white square would brighten every time it hit a new zone if Im not mistaken, if I'm right 255 is the count. I might have missed 1-2 columns/rows, I have 4 kids running around, but I counted at least 15x17.
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The C had 128, the D had 96, so if it's in the mid-200s, that's very impressive.

And the 75" z9d is probably around 850. But 250 would be outstanding for the price and money saved over the Z9D. Hopefully we can get some others to confirm those numbers. Being 400-500 nits dimmer, having less zones than the Z isn't as big of an issue. I would bet they are very close performance wise minus not being as bright, but 1400 nits or so is still very bright.

At ces, I seen comments about zone count by 2 sony reps, 1 rep said double the zones and the other said it would be more but wouldn't specify.
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That's unbelievable even the Z series has it. I know you don't watch a blackball on a white screen but it's aparent if you're watching hockey or on commercials with a white background and dark lettering when it slides in and out. I'm not a huge hockey fan but if you are you see it with the sticks, the puck and the players as they move on the ice. I can't believe they didn't fix the issue.
Don't have that problem on my Z9D and I watch allot of sports including hockey. Also in the Z area on Avsform I don' see tons of people complaining about trailing etc.
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I also dont find this to be an issue on my X940C and I watch a lot of sports and also play sport video games. I will say that it will have a little trailing if you dont use motionflow. I prefer Clear or Custom - set Clearness 2 and smoothness 0 or preference but adding smoothness introduces a little bit of soap opera effect. Sony LCD's are the best in this regard but apparently according to reviews Sony X930E and presumably X940E sets have improved in this area compared to previous years. I say if my X940C doesnt have trail issues and especially with fast moving sports than the X940E will be even better. Also make sure to turn off Digital Noise Reduction and Random Noise Reduction because it also creates smearing anomalies espeially in dark scenes and blacks.
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And the 75" z9d is probably around 850. But 250 would be outstanding for the price and money saved over the Z9D. Hopefully we can get some others to confirm those numbers. Being 400-500 nits dimmer, having less zones than the Z isn't as big of an issue. I would bet they are very close performance wise minus not being as bright, but 1400 nits or so is still very bright.

At ces, I seen comments about zone count by 2 sony reps, 1 rep said double the zones and the other said it would be more but wouldn't specify.
That can't be right, Sony has traditionally placed more on columns and less on rows. Example X940C - 16 columns and 8 rows = 128 Zones. X940D - 16 columns and 6 rows = 96 Zones. 15 x 17 just sounds way off, i think the best way to do the test is to actually stand completely side viewing angle. Using a full black screen on computer move white mouse cursor very slowly from left to right staying as close to very top of screen. Count the lights as they extiguish not as they turn on. Do the same thing from top to bottom staying left of screen. That should give you a more precise count. Dont get me wrong I want more zones but lets not jump the gun. Thanks again for doing this in the first place, much appreciated.
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That can't be right, Sony has traditionally placed more on columns and less on rows. Example X940C - 16 columns and 8 rows = 128 Zones. X940D - 16 columns and 6 rows = 96 Zones. 15 x 17 just sounds way off, i think the best way to do the test is to actually stand completely side viewing angle. Using a full black screen on computer move white mouse cursor very slowly from left to right staying as close to very top of screen. Count the lights as they extiguish not as they turn on. Do the same thing from top to bottom staying left of screen. That should give you a more precise count. Dont get me wrong I want more zones but lets not jump the gun. Thanks again for doing this in the first place, much appreciated.
Thanks for the info...I watched it again and there are for sure more than 10 columns/10 rows, I'll let the next guy give it a go for a more accurate #.
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Yes, Im seeing a trail. I guess its a good thing I don't watch black balls on white screens! lol. Everything I've watched so far has looked amazing, I thought it might be the youtube vid, but alas on my laptop no trailing.


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I think you will get trailing unless you turn on frame interpolation or enhanced motion, I have also seen the trailing on a friends Z9D, I believe that making sure the settings for motion are exact is important to doing this test.

I was also able to get trailing on my KS8000/9000 until I played around with motion settings to eliminate most of it.

I noticed you just turned off all the motion enhancement in a previous post. Thanks for sharing love to hear, and the off axis viewing looks amazing!

I get mine on Sunday!

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If I did it right I saw 15 columns x 17 rows = 255 zones. I know the 940D was around 120? At first I didn't see it but the white square would brighten every time it hit a new zone if Im not mistaken, if I'm right 255 is the count. I might have missed 1-2 columns/rows, I have 4 kids running around, but I counted at least 15x17.
That would a huge improvement!
Maybe others can check to and see if they count similar amounts of zones.

I dont know how many zones the 75ZD9 has but the 65 already has over 650 zones.

But then again the 940D did quite good with only 12H - 8V - Total of 96 zones.
So if the 940E is indeed close to 250 its quite the improvement!
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It's not something that the settings can fix. It's not motion related. The motion on Sony sets is top notch. It's like seeing a trail behind the moving object. On the YouTube app search for black ball on white screen. Just curious if you see the trail of the ball behind it as it moves on the white screen. Thanks
Its panel related.
Its related to the pixel reaction time.

i remember it from the past with old PC LCD screens that had huge latency's and insane motion blur.
Black to white delay was insanely high. Grey to grey even worse.

My 55W829b did show much motion blur. But the 75X8505c did. especially darker objects on lighter backgrounds like blue clouds, yellow/cream desert colors or white backgrounds are the worst. I thought this was less off a issue with the 940D.

I use the Movie Gamer to test this there are quite some scenes where my current X850C fails hard. If i get the chance i will test it on a 940E before i buy one.

Btw i was able reduce the effect by using motion flow but then you get Soap Opera effect. Same with a PC. If you have the screen at 30Hz its worse vs 60Hz thats why i ran 1080p 60Hz vs 4K 30Hz the blur trails just to annoying. I guess higher motion flow settings will boost the pannel refresh rate to 120Hz and thus increasing the pixel response speeds. But i dont know for sure.
I now use a custom setting. with light smoothing i like it more then stock 24p Soap opera effect is not that bad actually good. And there are not a lot of glitches/stutters (they are rarely occurring)

I hope the 940E with the X1 Extreme can do these things even better!
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Could a 2017 75" 940E owner take a measurement for me?

What I really need is the distance from the very front edge of the stand to the rear edge of the panel (as the far left and right side of a 75" TV are wider than the "hole" on the piece of furniture my wife really likes... and it behooves me to retain that piece of furniture, if I want to upgrade to this TV, which I do), but if I just had:

- Distance (depth) from the very front edge of the stand to the front edge of the screen

I could just add that to the "dimension of TV without stand" thickness of 2.5", and I'd know the distance from "front edge of stand" to "backside of screen".
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If I did it right I saw 15 columns x 17 rows = 255 zones. I know the 940D was around 120? At first I didn't see it but the white square would brighten every time it hit a new zone if Im not mistaken, if I'm right 255 is the count. I might have missed 1-2 columns/rows, I have 4 kids running around, but I counted at least 15x17.
Would be great if you could make a video of this as well (so we can count along with you ). Best from a side on angle of more than 45 degrees ...
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Could a 2017 75" 940E owner take a measurement for me?

What I really need is the distance from the very front edge of the stand to the rear edge of the panel (as the far left and right side of a 75" TV are wider than the "hole" on the piece of furniture my wife really likes... and it behooves me to retain that piece of furniture, if I want to upgrade to this TV, which I do), but if I just had:

- Distance (depth) from the very front edge of the stand to the front edge of the screen

I could just add that to the "dimension of TV without stand" thickness of 2.5", and I'd know the distance from "front edge of stand" to "backside of screen".
@NY1PR2006 I Believe mounted his on the stand, he might be able to give you a measurement
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