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That's with it set to Low, I just added some more comments to the OP and will continue to do so. Smart LED is now actually called Local Dimming in the menu.

Local Dimming Regular has highlight peaking. I will post those numbers shortly. If you just switch local dimming from Low to Medium and do nothing else, peak luminance goes up, to around 180 nits from 135 nits with the Low setting.

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Local Dimming Regular, 2-point rec.709 Movie Mode calibration is in the OP. So is a saturation sweep from that.

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Have not read in a while thinking there would be a second Article posted on the main page but guess not.
Indeed. What I meant was, it's better if everyone doesn't ignore the discussion and post the same question without reading first.
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Local Dimming Regular, 2-point rec.709 Movie Mode calibration is in the OP. So is a saturation sweep from that.
Thanks, Mark! I hope you plan to do a 21-point grayscale + CMS calibration later on. I have to admit rec. 709 is my prime interest currently . Also, some black measurements? Hopefully they come back as 0 .
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Thanks, Mark! I hope you plan to do a 21-point grayscale + CMS calibration later on. I have to admit rec. 709 is my prime interest currently . Also, some black measurements? Hopefully they come back as 0 .
Yes black is zero full screen or with a normal window pattern. There are black measurements from the 18% constant APL pattern in the reports I posted.

Yes 20-point "as good as I can get it" is coming. As are Cal-Day and Cal-Night calibrations.
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Yes black is zero full screen or with a normal window pattern. There are black measurements from the 18% constant APL pattern in the reports I posted.

Yes 20-point "as good as I can get it" is coming. As are Cal-Day and Cal-Night calibrations.
If you're inferring am I blind? Well, apparently yes [DOH!]

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Hey Mark since we're pretty sure that the HDR10+ aspect of HDMI 2.1 doesn't require the bandwidth of HDMI 2.1, could you please ask your Samsung contacts if it's possible they could provide HDR10+ capability to 2016 and 2017 TVs and their "lowly" HDMI 2.0 inputs?

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Please be aware that Q7 black levels may vary over time. Yes, I know this thread is about Q9, but there might be some commonality with the Q7 model. I've never measured my 65Q7F, but my impression is that over a period of 3-5 days, what should be very dark parts of the picture, start looking lighter. Then, eventually, they get darker again. I find I can compensate by changing the Brightness control and the Gamma control down by 3 clicks during bright times, then back up during dark times. But of course this is a pain. Also, until I noticed the periodicity, it was very confusing.

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Please be aware that Q7 black levels may vary over time. Yes, I know this thread is about Q9, but there might be some commonality with the Q7 model. I've never measured my 65Q7F, but my impression is that over a period of 3-5 days, what should be very dark parts of the picture, start looking lighter. Then, eventually, they get darker again. I find I can compensate by changing the Brightness control and the Gamma control down by 3 clicks during bright times, then back up during dark times. But of course this is a pain. Also, until I noticed the periodicity, it was very confusing.
That's very odd but not surprising as that model is just completely botched up right now. I am sure Samsung is working on FW updates to fix these issues but from owning 3 of their sets including 2 flagships, I've learned that FWs never fully resolve the bigger issues these sets have.

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That's very odd but not surprising as that model is just completely botched up right now. I am sure Samsung is working on FW updates to fix these issues but from owning 3 of their sets including 2 flagships, I've learned that FWs never fully resolve the bigger issues these sets have.
Got a good look at a Q7 in a totally dark room. That TV's performance is extremely compromised by the bottom edgelit design. I consider it unfortunate, and there's no fixing it with algorithms anyhow.

The Q9 is remarkably superior to the Q7 that's for sure.

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Got a good look at a Q7 in a totally dark room. That TV's performance is extremely compromised by the bottom edgelit design. I consider it unfortunate, and there's no fixing it with algorithms anyhow.

The Q9 is remarkably superior to the Q7 that's for sure.
Yeah when you say the blacks bars on the Q9 stay inky black like they are suppose to, it makes my heart all warm and fuzzy
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Got a good look at a Q7 in a totally dark room. That TV's performance is extremely compromised by the bottom edgelit design. I consider it unfortunate, and there's no fixing it with algorithms anyhow.

The Q9 is remarkably superior to the Q7 that's for sure.
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Got a good look at a Q7 in a totally dark room. That TV's performance is extremely compromised by the bottom edgelit design. I consider it unfortunate, and there's no fixing it with algorithms anyhow.

The Q9 is remarkably superior to the Q7 that's for sure.
For sure? The last few updates to the firmware for the Q7F have made a big difference. Please don't rely on your theory of what firmware can do. Update and look at the evidence.

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For sure? The last few updates to the firmware for the Q7F have made a big difference. Please don't rely on your theory of what firmware can do. Update and look at the evidence.
Firmware can't take the LEDs located at the bottom of the screen and put them on the side of the screen so that the TV can shut them off and keep the letterbox bars black like the Q9F can. That's 100% what I am referring to and it's 100% true.

I'll continue to check out Q7Fs whenever I can, but there is no way it can ever do what the Q9F can when it comes to letterboxed content.
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Firmware can't take the LEDs located at the bottom of the screen and put them on the side of the screen so that the TV can shut them off and keep the letterbox bars black like the Q9F can. That's 100% what I am referring to and it's 100% true.

I'll continue to check out Q7Fs whenever I can, but there is no way it can ever do what the Q9F can when it comes to letterboxed content.
So you're not obligated to report the firmware version when you make an unfavorable report, because of your conclusion that firmware doesn't move LEDs around? I guess I see.

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So you're not obligated to report the firmware version when you make an unfavorable report, because of your conclusion that firmware doesn't move LEDs around? I guess I see.
Huh? Let's just say I'm not interested in a deep dive here. I was not gonna go hunt for a firmware version on the spot. You know exactly what I'm saying, you know you can't black out the letterbox bars on a top or bottom edgelit TV. Not sure why you'd press the point as that's just reality.

Side edgelit is how you get black letterbox bars on an edgelit LCD.
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I saw the 65Q9 in Germany and wasn't impressed. When you stand a bit nearby the display you can easily see the crosshatch pattern which looks a bit like pentile, especially with blue and green colours. Blooming was easily seen even in shop conditions (very bright ambient lights). It gets worse when viewed of angle, so the viewing angles are only better in terms auf colour saturation.
For the record, high brightness of 2000 nits is only possible in shop mode. Since QDs are obviously mostly helping with blue there is a to cold picture in shop mode, D65 calibration yields in 1600 nits, so it is no better tha a ZD9. The ZD9 standing nearby looked way better espacially in dark Scenes or high contrast scenes.
In my opinion 5500€ for the Q9 (which is 500-1000€ more that the ZD9) is way to much money for it.
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Was really interested in this TV until I saw this blooming

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Was really interested in this TV until I saw this blooming

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I think filming any TV from a camera doesn't bring it much justice. Best is to see one for yourself or read the reviews from the owners.

I've seen the 9QF on display and I didn't noticed any blooming. It looks really good but of cos not OLED good but still I'm impressed by it.
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So is the full review dead ?

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So is the full review dead ?
"Full Review" = part 2 that is mostly the calibration reports plus some comments on content playing. I worked on it this week and am close but am no longer promising anything when it comes to when I post.
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"Full Review" = part 2 that is mostly the calibration reports plus some comments on content playing. I worked on it this week and am close but am no longer promising anything when it comes to when I post.
I'm very interested in seeing what your final comments are. After being convinced by the OLED fanatics to go back to the store which I'll be doing this weekend, I want to see if this TV is as worthy as some of the reviews that I've been reading.

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I'm hoping part 2 will contains some of the user experience with game mode as I'll be using the TV to play a fair amount of games at night when the kids are in bed.
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This is beginning to remind me of the "Agony and the Ecstasy" when the Pope continually asks Michelangelo: "When you will make an end of it?" and the answer is invariably the same: "When I'm finished!" Come on man, you're not painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel here, just reviewing a TV. As Larry the Cable Guy always says: "lets get her done"!
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The endlessly repetitive "are we there yet" posts are already boring, that's for certain

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I'm hoping part 2 will contains some of the user experience with game mode as I'll be using the TV to play a fair amount of games at night when the kids are in bed.
Same. Gaming is a critical reason I am FINALLy upgrading form 1080P lol. The only part I'm really struggling with is will the lack of Dolby Vision support bother me down the line....and if I believe they would release a firmware update to address that if it became the consensus that it is an inevitable direction for all...or if the TV could even handle that kind of a firmware update. I guess by then when it might be, I'll be ready for a new TV anyway lol. Anyway, off to the store to continue to educate myself about this, the LG G7, and now the Sony A1E. OLEDs are just so damn expensive.. The Q9 is also overpriced, but at least it is somewhat palpable.
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I'm hoping part 2 will contains some of the user experience with game mode as I'll be using the TV to play a fair amount of games at night when the kids are in bed.
Why don't you just buy it from Best Buy, spend some time with it, and return it if you're not satisified?
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Same. Gaming is a critical reason I am FINALLy upgrading form 1080P lol. The only part I'm really struggling with is will the lack of Dolby Vision support bother me down the line....and if I believe they would release a firmware update to address that if it became the consensus that it is an inevitable direction for all...or if the TV could even handle that kind of a firmware update. I guess by then when it might be, I'll be ready for a new TV anyway lol. Anyway, off to the store to continue to educate myself about this, the LG G7, and now the Sony A1E. OLEDs are just so damn expensive.. The Q9 is also overpriced, but at least it is somewhat palpable.
If you care about DolbyVision, don't buy this TV. It will most likely never be updated to include DV. Samsung is implementing their own version of dynamic HDR so, 99.999% they won't license DV for their TVs. Go LG/Sony OLED or Sony x940E or Z9D.
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Local Dimming Regular, 2-point rec.709 Movie Mode calibration is in the OP. So is a saturation sweep from that.
Imagic can you post a your greys I have had two replacements and also went to bestbuy in my area all seem to have vertical banding wondering if it's an issue with all q9s or a 4th replacement is needed



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Why don't you just buy it from Best Buy, spend some time with it, and return it if you're not satisified?
Game mode is great super responsive but I have had banding show through on games like prey when in grey corridors but the response time is amazing
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