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Samsung QN65Q9F: 65" Q9F QLED TV Review

When it comes to being first out with a review of a factory production unit of a TV that just shipped, three days is an eternity. But when it comes to writing about all the capabilities of a flagship-class TV, three days can't do it justice. Either way, I present to you the Samsung Q9F QLED-LCD 4K HDR UHD etc. TV review, "fresh out of the oven."

Click to read Samsung 65″ Q9F QLED-LCD TV (QN65Q9F) Review

Here's a video I made of the assembly, and specifically of how you route the Invisible Connection cable and power cord to either of the legs. It's very clean, clever.




Calibration Results

All calibrations and measurements performed with SpectraCal Calman Software.

I used an 18% constant APL (average picture level) pettern for all measurements.

A Colorimetry Research CR-100 colorimeter performed the readings, after profiling it with a CR-250 spectrophotometer.

A DVDO AV Lab TPG 4K signal generator provided the patterns.

Movie Mode SDR: 135-nit (approx. 40 foot-lamberts) dim room calibration with Local Dimming Low. BT.1886 gamma, 2-point color correction and auto-CMS.











For this calibration, I stuck with a 2-point color balance adjustment, which yielded great results. This TV offers 20-point adjustment as well, but that's laborious without automation.

AutoCal is coming to CalMan soon, at which point I will give that a shot. i also did not touch the CMS controls, again the accuracy was enough.

There are some settings to share, if you care to set up a Q9F as an old-school, rec.709 SDR TV. Once upon a time (about 5 years ago) making a TV that could ace this was a big deal. Now, it's obligatory.

Anyhow, a reasonably competent Best Buy calibrator should be able to do good things for this TV and a pro should be able to make it reference-quality for rec.709 (HD Blu-ray) viewing.

This was done with Local Dimming set to Low, configured like this, it's behavior is like SDR TVs of the past.

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After the textbook re.709 calibration, I turned Local Dimming to Regular and tweaked that calibration for a 200-nit peak luminance, which was easily done. Regular Local Dimming has highlight peaking, it's not HDR+ mode but it does crisp up the image and make it pop a bit more.

Movie Mode SDR: >200-nit (approx. 60 foot-lamberts) dim room calibration with local dimming Regular, BT.1886 gamma, 2-point color correction and auto-CMS.












Post-calibration saturation sweep.


All graphics courtesy of SpectraCal CalMAN software.

I find this mode's look preferable to textbook rec.709 and Local Dimming Low.
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Performance of a top-tier FALD TV with only 32 zones? This I have to see lol

Like Stevie Wonder said seeing is believing

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Pretty cool about voice commands for settings. How is a black screen with just text? For example, the opening credits of mad max. How is blooming?
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And with all of that great technology packed into the tv you can also have the government spy on you. I read recently that a Samsung tv could be hacked and with the microphone in the tv you could be heard.


http://www.audioholics.com/editorial...g-on-customers

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And with all of that great technology packed into the tv you can also have the government spy on you. I read recently that a Samsung tv could be hacked and with the microphone in the tv you could be heard.


http://www.audioholics.com/editorial...g-on-customers
I've read somewhere (don't remember where since there's nothing I can do about it) that applies to quite a few other manufacturers.

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Love that cable management.
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The big question is how does it compare to the Sony Z series.
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What about the amazon banding issue?
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I wonder how long that fiber cable is that goes to the one connect box?


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What about the amazon banding issue?
I'm doing a part 2 so I can have time to check out all kinds of things including a lot more about how real content looks coming from various sources.

It takes time to watch movies! Gonna enjoy this TV this weekend finally. Looks so stunning, and I do have plenty more Planet Earth II to watch.

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Performance of a top-tier FALD TV with only 32 zones? This I have to see lol

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I was opening this thread to see how quickly it would take someone to scoff at the zones. I think the FALD zone count is overrated. It comes down to the implementation.

There's even been some really nice looking edge lit sets.

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And with all of that great technology packed into the tv you can also have the government spy on you. I read recently that a Samsung tv could be hacked and with the microphone in the tv you could be heard.


http://www.audioholics.com/editorial...g-on-customers
And the CIA has been hacking iPhones since 2007. With increasing convenience comes decreasing privacy, unless you pay the big bucks. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pAQmLp1tTNapqA
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Yea, no 3D. Pass pass and pass. I'm not going to give up my entire collection of 3d titles for a new 6k+ TV with less features than my top of the line 2016 Samsung with active 3D.
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Yea, no 3D. Pass pass and pass. I'm not going to give up my entire collection of 3d titles for a new 6k+ TV with less features than my top of the line 2016 Samsung with active 3D.
2016 Samsungs have 3D? News to me!

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this thang will come in DEAD LAST in the shootout

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Hmmm... It was actually their late 2015 offering and was delivered to me mid January of 2016.
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I was opening this thread to see how quickly it would take someone to scoff at the zones. I think the FALD zone count is overrated. It comes down to the implementation.

There's even been some really nice looking edge lit sets.

1st post
Contrast is a big part of picture quality. With LCD LED TVs , you need dimming zones. I say the more the better. How else are you supposed to display something bright and dark at the same time?

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Hmmm... It was actually their late 2015 offering and was delivered to me mid January of 2016.


Gotcha, so a 2015 JS model like myself. Last 3D models for Samsung. Grip it tight!
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Imagic, whats the status on these Q7 measurements you plan on doing?
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Imagic, whats the status on these Q7 measurements you plan on doing?
One volunteer so far, and a schedule that puts my visit about two weeks out.

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But it's edge lit....
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Nice read, how does it compare to Z9D overall and which one is brighter? And what about the clouding, blooming in dark scenes compared to others?
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if Vizio or another one of these new brands like Hisense or TCL makes it to the table, they'll take home that "title"

the KS9000 wasn't FALD and I thought it looked better than the Sony 940D
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Nice read, how does it compare to Z9D overall and which one is brighter? And what about the clouding, blooming in dark scenes compared to others?
I wish I had a Z9D, I really do. But I don't. If I get a chance to make that comparison, I'll jump on it. You never know where and when such an opportunity will come knocking, I'll look out for it.
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I agree that contrast is a huge component. That said, FALD vs edge lit is overblown in my opinion. I would have taken the KS8000, KS9000, Sony 930D edge lit TV's over the Vizio P or M series every day of the week.

There are plenty of edge-lit non-FALD TV's that perform excellently.

People unnecessarily freak out over zone count. There's been huge advances in edge lit tech and not all FALD is equal.

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I wish I had a Z9D, I really do. But I don't. If I get a chance to make that comparison, I'll jump on it. You never know where and when such an opportunity will come knocking, I'll look out for it.
Appreciated mate, I would offer mine for your testing but I live Down Under
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Gotcha, so a 2015 JS model like myself. Last 3D models for Samsung. Grip it tight!
I got one too. I decided to hop on the train and buy one since I'm in Canada and OLED were so hard to find and super expensive (the EF9600 came in 2 years late and was like 50% more expensive than in the US).

I have regrets now that I know the OLED 6P series was released 1 year after the JS9500 almoat for the same price. Knowing this I would have waited for an OLED tv. Don't get me wrong, the JS9500 is an amazing tv (FALD, bright colors, HDR, 20'ish ms input lag for gaming) but VA LED has hit its ceiling compared to OLED with that off axis color shift and blooming.

I just can't bring myself to sell my JS9500 with a loss to go for an OLED right away but I kinda wish I had waited a bit more.
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Mark,

In your article, you write:
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Currently, HDR titles for the home are mastered to the DCI/P3 color volume that’s used in commercial cinema, and the Samsung Q9F is able to fully reproduce it. When Samsung says its QLED TVs feature 100% color volume, that means the display can render all of the DCI/P3 gamut in shadows, mid-tones, and highlights.
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Can you state for a fact that current HDR titles for the home are mastered with a DCI/P3 color gamut?

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but this is something that I have never seen presented with any sort of certainty.

It seems that there's really no way to tell what the mastering color gamut is for an individual UHD Blu-ray or streaming UHD content, but I do think it makes sense that this is what studios would be pushing out on those formats, because it's what they already have (for commercial exhibition) and it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to remaster to Rec 2020, in view of the time and cost involved when no current consumer displays can achieve Rec 2020.

So, not looking to attack here, but rather see if you can reveal more on the background of your claim.

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Gotcha, so a 2015 JS model like myself. Last 3D models for Samsung. Grip it tight!
Yup. I am obsessive about it. Hoping it lasts me a long time. It's active 3d is phenomenal, crisp full resolution 3d WOW.
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