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65" in Q7 here with an FA02 panel -
Yea the 65 inch versions have an FA02 panel, but I have not yet seen a 55 inch with the FA02 panel. So far only AA01 panel for the 55 inch version. And while the FA02 is a Samsung panel, the AA01 may be a different manufacturer, but not necessarily inferior.
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The Q7 does have an FA02 panel in the 65 inch, but I have not seen it in the 55 inch. I don't think the AA01 is a Samsung panel, as I remember it possibly being another manufacturer. Not sure about the AB02.
Ohh I did not check the 65 inch..
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the Q series TV's get raked through the mud on ratings/reviews vs other tv's and yet everyone here loves theirs? Granted, this is a pretty small sample size, but is this a case of the units being priced too high for their performance or are they simply not worth it over a competitively priced alternative from another brand? Also, I do expect some bias here

I am genuinely curious though. I am looking to replace my current tv, and pretty much anything out there is going to be better than it, so not worried about that. More so just trying to get a read on these new sammy's, because there is a lot of bad press on them.
I thinks it's the price and OLED has come down you can get a B7 pretty cheap now.
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I am genuinely curious though. I am looking to replace my current tv, and pretty much anything out there is going to be better than it, so not worried about that. More so just trying to get a read on these new sammy's, because there is a lot of bad press on them.
Honestly, there have been some people and sites that pile on the Q-series. However, there is just no getting around the fact that the Q-series doesn't do anything that really sets it apart from the competition even though its price is extremely high.

The Sony Tvs can match it for brightness. The OLEDs can match it for color. Even the Vizio P-series easily bests it for local dimming. It has poor off axis viewing and its Black uniformity is sub par. It is simply a mediocre TV at an extraordinary price. There are so many better options out there for much less money.

That being said if you completely ignore everything else out there I bet you probably would be satisfied with the Q-series. It is better than TVs from 2 or 3 years ago but its price is higher than just about everything else out there right now.

Honestly, the Q-series is just a marketing campaign gone wrong. That is a shame too. I really like some of the Samsung TVs. The JS8500, KS8000, and even some of the new MU series TVs are pretty nice.
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Honestly, there have been some people and sites that pile on the Q-series. However, there is just no getting around the fact that the Q-series doesn't do anything that really sets it apart from the competition even though its price is extremely high.
That seems to sum it up. I think the Q series looks well enough (again, compared to my 2014, it's a banner year for all manufacturers from what i can see ), but even the 7 is OLED money. I'll definitely be watching trends on these, but I may finally go with a different brand, all things considered.

I appreciate the response.
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Honestly, there have been some people and sites that pile on the Q-series. However, there is just no getting around the fact that the Q-series doesn't do anything that really sets it apart from the competition even though its price is extremely high.
That seems to sum it up. I think the Q series looks well enough (again, compared to my 2014, it's a banner year for all manufacturers from what i can see ), but even the 7 is OLED money. I'll definitely be watching trends on these, but I may finally go with a different brand, all things considered.

I appreciate the response.
And in all aspects it seems last years ks models outperform these in all aspects except color ( and the ks and js models are no slouch in that dept ) i think next years qleds will be much better, and hopefully some fald sets?
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And in all aspects it seems last years ks models outperform these in all aspects except color ( and the ks and js models are no slouch in that dept ) i think next years qleds will be much better, and hopefully some fald sets?
I think the off-axis color & contrast is slightly better on the QLED's, but you still really have to sit directly in front of it to get the best of what it has to offer.

If the Q9F had been FALD, I think there would have been overall less b*tching about the entire line.

Still curious as to what was different about the 2017 CES QLED sets they were showing, as they were said to have even better off-axis capability from those that saw them.
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The OLEDs can match it for color...

That might be true at lower brightness levels, but it is definitely NOT the case at higher brightness levels.

Not only do OLED TVs not get anywhere near as bright as the QLED TVs, but the fact that it also uses a white sub-pixel really affects the color saturation at higher nits.

One of the problems with restricting maximum brightness is that the brighter the color, the closer it becomes to white (the brightest color) - so bright colors become less and less saturated. As an example, the brightest saturated blue at 600 nit maximum brightness (peak white), blue would be 43 nits; at a peak brightness of 4000 nits, blue would be 289 nits.

Bottom line is, the QLED TVs do in fact have a much higher "Color Volume" than any current OLED sets. The higher the Color Volume, the better the display can express a vast range of vivid, accurate colors.

Just trying to keep it real here.



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That might be true at lower brightness levels, but it is definitely NOT the case at higher brightness levels.

Not only do OLED TVs not get anywhere near as bright as the QLED TVs, but the fact that it also uses a white sub-pixel really affects the color saturation at higher nits.

One of the problems with restricting maximum brightness is that the brighter the color, the closer it becomes to white (the brightest color) - so bright colors become less and less saturated. As an example, the brightest saturated blue at 600 nit maximum brightness (peak white), blue would be 43 nits; at a peak brightness of 4000 nits, blue would be 289 nits.

Bottom line is, the QLED TVs do in fact have a much higher "Color Volume" than any current OLED sets. The higher the Color Volume, the better the display can express a vast range of vivid, accurate colors.

Just trying to keep it real here.



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I agree with what you said. However, that difference in color volume doesn't actually look to be that significant when I look at the measurements for both TVs. I will conceed that the Q9 exceeds the OLED in color volume. However, it doesn't look like it is a very large difference to me.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c7-oled

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qled-q9f-q9
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question - is the only way to connect anything to these tv's is through the invisible connection optical wire? Is there no physical hdmi ports on the back of the display? Reason I ask is that my home has already been prewired and I use an HDMI over CAT6 extender to connect my AVR to my TV. It's approximately 50 feet between my components and my TV. I'm thinking that unless there is a physical HDMI port that I won't be considering this TV.

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Honestly, there have been some people and sites that pile on the Q-series. However, there is just no getting around the fact that the Q-series doesn't do anything that really sets it apart from the competition even though its price is extremely high.
Guess it all depends on what you want in the end.......
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question - is the only way to connect anything to these tv's is through the invisible connection optical wire? Is there no physical hdmi ports on the back of the display? Reason I ask is that my home has already been prewired and I use an HDMI over CAT6 extender to connect my AVR to my TV. It's approximately 50 feet between my components and my TV. I'm thinking that unless there is a physical HDMI port that I won't be considering this TV.
The optical connects to the one connect box which has all the connections i.e. hdmi, optical etc. That box cn be placed anywhere within a 15' area of the tv. Can be placed behind it if you have 1 1/2" of space depth.
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Yea the 65 inch versions have an FA02 panel, but I have not yet seen a 55 inch with the FA02 panel. So far only AA01 panel for the 55 inch version. And while the FA02 is a Samsung panel, the AA01 may be a different manufacturer, but not necessarily inferior.
I have a 55 Q7F with a FA02 panel.
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Should I buy a 75 inch q7 or a 75 inch sony x940e? Don't care about price. Searched all over the net but can't find a side by side comparison. Thanks.
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Should I buy a 75 inch q7 or a 75 inch sony x940e? Don't care about price. Searched all over the net but can't find a side by side comparison. Thanks.
940e without a doubt
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Should I buy a 75 inch q7 or a 75 inch sony x940e? Don't care about price. Searched all over the net but can't find a side by side comparison. Thanks.
940e without a doubt

Thanks. That's what's I was leaning towards but the reviews on best buy were iffy.
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.. some have mentioned price as rational to look elsewhere, but if the 65q7f were priced .. say, $1k less .. would it get more love .. maybe more than the x930e or 'nano' evil brother, the sj9500(?) ?
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I have a 55 Q7F with a FA02 panel.
I just got a 55 Q7 its in the box will check panel type in morning..
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I just got a 55 Q7 its in the box will check panel type in morning..
How do you like your new Q7? How does it compare to the other Samsung TVs you have had or have used in the past?
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How do you like your new Q7? How does it compare to the other Samsung TVs you have had or have used in the past?
BTW panel is AA .. I have yet to set it up Tomorrow I will..
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UK 2017 TV Shootout

Held at the Harefield Academy in Uxbridge (London, England), Sunday August 13

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Participating TVs (all 65"):

• LG B7 OLED TV (OLED65B7V)

• Panasonic EZ1002 OLED TV (TX-65EZ1002)

• Sony A1 OLED TV (KD-65A1)

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Best HDR TV: LG B7 OLED

Best Gaming TV: LG B7 OLED

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Best Home Theater TV: Panasonic EZ1002 OLED

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Need some input from q7f owners. The rents have a new q7f - QN65Q7FAMFXZA delivered on saturday 8/12. I have noticed a slightly dim section in the center vertical third of the screen that becomes apparent when viewing uniform color content. I have noticed it from different content sources including ultra hd grand tour from the tv's native amazon app. It is nearly undetectable in busy picture like the test picture the tv offers. however, on more uniform color content like green golf course or light blue sky type content it is clearly evident to me. I didn't point it out yet as I don't want to stress rents out unnecessarily about their new toy so wanted to see if anyone else has seen this on q7f or similar models and what are the likely suspects and resolutions are. thanks for your help!
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Hey guys.

I was about to pull the trigger on the 65" Q7F, but as I was finishing up my research I came across the vertical banding issue (google search q7f vertical banding or vertical lines and you will see how bad it is). Apparently the Q7F and Q9F are both affected however there are numerous claims that power cycling the TV will temporarily get rid of the issue and the latest firmware is suppose to minimize it as well. I was just wanting to know how many people here have encountered this issue? Unfortunately this is quite the deal breaker for me
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Hey guys.

I was about to pull the trigger on the 65" Q7F, but as I was finishing up my research I came across the vertical banding issue (google search q7f vertical banding or vertical lines and you will see how bad it is). Apparently the Q7F and Q9F are both affected however there are numerous claims that power cycling the TV will temporarily get rid of the issue and the latest firmware is suppose to minimize it as well. I was just wanting to know how many people here have encountered this issue? Unfortunately this is quite the deal breaker for me
No banding here.. did the search and there wasn't much of an issue at all for Q series... the one poster unplugged his tv twice and it disappeared. Much bigger issue on oled tvs'.

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.. some have mentioned price as rational to look elsewhere, but if the 65q7f were priced .. say, $1k less .. would it get more love .. maybe more than the x930e or 'nano' evil brother, the sj9500(?) ?
Based on Best Buy pricing, they seem to be on "permanent" 20-25% off MSRP. But another $500 drop certainly wouldn't hurt. LG is having to drop their nano cell SJ series pricing to move them too.
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^^ .. thanks for response; have been reviewing noted sets for awhile & the LG c7 .. fortunately, I came across a limited time deal for the c7 and with discounts (thru Mil Exchange), it became a easy decision/done deal .. waiting for delivery. Again, thanks!
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Hello everyone,

We picked up our 65" Q7F about two months ago, and also added a Samsung M8500 4K DVD player and Samsung M450 sound bar and sub package. We bought a nice 46" Sony Bravia about 10 years ago and it has worked flawlessly since then, but we gave my daughter's playroom a makeover and moved the 46 along with the playstation to that room and upgraded the living room with the Q7F.

We really didn't think the Sony was outdated until we got the Q7F and it was quite a difference. Picture quality as well as the smart tv functions and internet browser and speed are huge improvements over what we were using. Just as well, i thought the 300-watt sound bar wouldn't be as good as the 11-year-old 500-watt Sony surround sound that we had, but it's been great as well. Plus, we never used the rear channels anyway just because of the room setups we have had.

So we are really happy with everything, but we seem to have a random issue with the sound bar connecting to the TV. It's wired through the optical cable. We still have to largely use the Direct TV remote currently and it operates whatever volume source the tv tells it to use. randomly, though, the tv loses the sound bar and reverts to the tv volume, and i sometimes find it hard to get it back. I've turned the sound bar off and on as i've read that sometimes fixes the issue, but i wouldn't think the tv would forget what the sound source is.

I suppose i could try to connect it via bluetooth, but i had read that the sound quality isn't the same, or as good. Maybe it's not that big of a difference, but in any case, i don't see why it loses the sound bar. Samsung customer service was no help, despite working with them for 45 minutes.
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I suppose i could try to connect it via bluetooth, but i had read that the sound quality isn't the same, or as good. Maybe it's not that big of a difference, but in any case, i don't see why it loses the sound bar. Samsung customer service was no help, despite working with them for 45 minutes.
Are you sure it's really random... I have a similar thing. I have my avr hooked up with my stb being the main input thru the avr. When I switch over to using ARC for sound from the tv to the avr it disconnects and reverts back to the stb when ever I back out of an app to the home button, when what I'm trying to do is switch apps. So I have to re-press the avr's remote to put the sound back to ARC.

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I'm not entirely sure, but it seems random. We went a week or so without it happening and then yesterday it happened. Today, no. I thought maybe it was related to turning the power off and on, but if that's the case, it should happen every day.
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