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A new 37" Westinghouse 1080p LCD monitor is coming:

The Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" LCD Video Monitor is a state-of-the-art 1920 x 1080 progressive scan LCD display brings you the ultimate in Digital video. It's been optimized for use with the latest High Definition sources; enjoy HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console -- all with the very highest in digital picture quality. PC and notebooks users can also enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection technology. Multiple connection choices, including 2 DVI with HDCP connectors, lets you connect to a PC and the latest multimedia video sources. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 37 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without the base), allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall.

Displays up to 16.7 million colors
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Viewing Angles: 176° Horizontal, 176° Vertical
Compatible Modes: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
Native/Optimum Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Supported Resolutions: 1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Twin 20 Watt speakers
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Freezing Picture
3D Noise Reduction
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3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
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Response Time: 12 ms
Brightness: 550 cd/m2
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Lamp Life: 50,000 hrs.
Color Gamut: 75% NTSC
Color: Silver
Dimensions(HxWxD): 36.6" x 23.0" x 4.5" without base
Dimensions With Base: 36.6" x 28.5" x 8.4"
Weight: 44 lbs. without base
Weight With Base: 56 lbs.


I think this new one looks better than the old 37" LVM-37w1.

New LVM-37w3:



Old LVM-37w1:



I just hope it doesn't suffer from the lockup problems plaguing the 42" LVM-42w2. (I may have bought the 42" Westy had it not been for this problem.)

P.S. Thx to the post in the other 37" Westy thread that alerted us to this new model.
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Another retailer confirms the existence of a new model Westy 37".
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I got my 37w1 Westy about 20 days ago from BB and am overall very happy. Lack of shadow detail in dark scenes and corner bleeding are my only issues. I'm curious if corner bleeding is fixed on the new Westy? Also, is the contrast and shadow detail improved. It appears that the specs are almost identical on the new Westy. Are there additional inputs that accept 1080p sources? I do like the outside look of the new model compared to the current model. Who thinks I should return the old for the new?

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Does your store have the new one in stock (or in a warehouse nearby)? Is your TV purchase 100% refundable? If so, I'd return it.

I'm also wondering about corner bleeding on the new Westys (37" and 42"), but just as importantly, I wonder if the new 37" corrects the lockup issues. My guess is no on the lockup issue, since the 42" also suffers from this problem. The good news is that people so far are not complaining about corner bleeding with the 42". The other issue I'd like to see eliminated is the uneven illumination seen on some of the old LVM-37w1 sets. ie. Some people have a brighter left side of the screen compared to the right side. That's just bad QA in my opinion, and unacceptable.

As for inputs on the new Westy, we still don't have all the details yet. I hope it's like the 42".

By the way, the old 37" 37w1 seems to be unavailable now at some etailers even though it was available last week IIRC. I guess they've finished draining off inventory of the old model and are gearing up for the new 37w3 too.
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I think this new one looks better than the old 37" LVM-37w1.

Absolutely no contest, but too bad it isn't black.
How about a 26" version and will any of them have a 8VSB/QAM tuner?

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Does your store have the new one in stock (or in a warehouse nearby)? Is your TV purchase 100% refundable? If so, I'd return it.

I purchased my Westy from Best Buy and my 30 days ends on 3/20. The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3. Nothing like waiting to the last minute. I wish we knew more about the input on the 37w3--like does it have 1080p capable HDMI? So you think I should return the 37w1 for the w3?

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I'd be surprised if it didn't have a 1080p capable digital input, given the previous models, and the new 42". However, no confirmation yet.

However, in your shoes, I'd probably return it anyway. If I had noticeable corner bleed, it would drive me insane. If it's very mild that's a different story though.

Personally, I'm no longer considering buying a Westy until they release a firmware to fix that lockup issue some of the LVM-37w1 and LVM-42w2 LCDs have.
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Msrp?
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The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3.

Wow, that's less than a week from now, and it's still not on Westinghouse's LCD site.

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No idea.

However, with no evidence to support my belief, I'm guessing that the 37w3 will break the $2000 barrier for MSRP. (The 37w1 had a MSRP of US$2299.)

P.S. It seems the new 37" 37w3 shares the same aesthetics as the 42" 42w2:

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I purchased my Westy from Best Buy and my 30 days ends on 3/20. The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3. Nothing like waiting to the last minute. I wish we knew more about the input on the 37w3--like does it have 1080p capable HDMI? So you think I should return the 37w1 for the w3?


Where did you see HDMI inputs on 37W3? I don't like HDMI inputs, would preffer 2x DVI, just like the original had. And where are the speakers?
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Where did you see HDMI inputs on 37W3? I don't like HDMI inputs, would preffer 2x DVI, just like the original had. And where are the speakers?

The best guess is that it's just like the 42" - 1 HDMI, 2 DVI, VGA, etc - speakers on bottom - check out the Westinghouse web-site.
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I just hope it doesn't suffer from the lockup problems plaguing the 42" LVM-42w2. (I may have bought the 42" Westy had it not been for this problem.)

The lockup problem with the LVM-42w2 probably isn't actually a "plague". Mine doesn't do it. Of the three LVM-37w1s I had, one locked up a couple of times, so I think you may be inflating this issue.

There were, however, more serious quality-control problems with many LVM-37w1 units: uneven backlighting, bright corners, intermittent inputs, and a buzzing/chirping backlight sound (which truly did sound like a plague of locusts!). I got to experience all 4 problems, in different combinations, and to different degrees, with the 3 units I tried. Some people (what percentage?) do not have these problems.
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Well, 1 of 3 units suffering lockups would be terrible if it were representative of the overall numbers. 33% is bad. I suspect the number is much lower though as you suggest, but still, it's very worrisome, as are the other issues you mentioned.

I wonder if there is some way of finding out which firmware revision one has. If not, perhaps the manufacture date may be of interest. Anyways, it's no big deal for me to wait. Part of the reason for me to upgrade is for Blu-ray and for a home theatre Mac mini, but since I don't even have either of those yet, I can continue to use my 34" widescreen HD CRT for now.

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Sweet!

Another reason for me to wait... I'm in Canada, and there is no Westinghouse LCD availability in Canada. If I bought a Westy, it would be through mail order from the US. However, it seems Westinghouse is trying to work out a deal with Best Buy Canada and Future Shop to carry their LCDs. I'd feel a lot more comfortable buying a Westy if I could get it locally, with a local service centre.
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...Part of the reason for me to upgrade is for Blu-ray and for a home theatre Mac mini...

I have a big ol' PC attached to my 42" in the living room, and want to replace it with a Mac mini. However, I'm wondering whether to wait for a Mac mini w/ Blu-ray (or whaterver wins the format war). Adding a new drive to my big ol' PC isn't a problem, but I assume it would have to be an external drive on the Mac mini. Who knows when a Mac mini might have such a drive in it. Hmm.
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Adding an external Blu-ray drive on the current Mac mini probably will not help, considering it still wouldn't support HDCP. Yeah, you might have to wait >6 months to a year for a Mac with both a slimline Blu-ray laptop drive and a HDCP support from the GPU via DVI. (It's unlikely Apple will include an HD-DVD-only drive, since they've already come out in support of Blu-ray.) It's a bit of a moot point for me though, since I was planning on buying a Playstation 3, which will already include Blu-ray support.

P.S. Has anyone seen the 1200:1 contrast ratio Sonys/Sharps compared to the 1000:1 Westys? Is it a noticeable difference?

P.P.S. How does the Xbox 360 look through component on LCD screens?
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Hmmm... The 37w3 is still not showing up on Best Buy's public website, despite the fact that several have already posted that Best Buy now has this unit in their system, with one poster stating availability this Sunday, March 19.

I wonder why it's not listed. Is it because the still have significant stock of the 37w1 left? Or does Best Buy just never list future products?

P.S. At least one person is complaining about red push with his 42" 42w2. I wonder if this is a function more of the channels and the set-top boxes than the TV itself.
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Red push would be last on the list of things to worry as this could be easilly adjusted. I have not seen Westinghouse 42" in person but it has to have tint control, also most LCD TV's would have some RGB color adjustment in service menu, if one knows how to get into it.
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Red push would be last on the list of things to worry as this could be easilly adjusted. I have not seen Westinghouse 42" in person but it has to have tint control, also most LCD TV's would have some RGB color adjustment in service menu, if one knows how to get into it.

Someone in the 42" LVM-42w2 thread mentioned that you need some sort of device attached to the TV to get into the 42" Westy's service menu. If true, I suspect the same would be true for the 37".

Also, this may not be applicable, but on my CRT, tweaking the service menu settings can help with red push, but it can't be eliminated. (My TV was ISF calibrated.) But like I said, it's a different TV (CRT), and that's via the component outputs.
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I just ordered my 42" yesterday and its in the computer for their warehouse but not the 37w3 its not showing up yet.

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This tv is on the J&R website for pre-order with a nice price.
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They've also come off MSRP on the 42" nicely...

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Why would Westinghouse not list this new monitor on it's website? Are they afraid that the w1 stock won't sell? I'm going to return my w1 once this comes out. I'll have a cushion of a little more than a week till BestBuy supposedly gets these in stock.
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Ok, listen everyone. The LVM-37w3 from BestBuy really is the LTV-37w2, which is NOT 1920 x 1080. It's native resolution is 1366 x 768. I spoke to the manager of the BestBuy in NYC (23rd St). They are in the warehouse and you can purchase them now. They are going for the same price that the LVM-37w1 is going for now. J&R must be retards or scams artists for making up a new Westinghouse model and putting it on preorder.

Westinghouse LTV-37w2
https://www.westinghousedigital.com/...aspx?whlm=cnav

BuGsArEtAsTy where did you get that quote from??
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Ok, listen everyone. The LVM-37w3 from BestBuy really is the LTV-37w2, which is NOT 1920 x 1080.

Then why are they calling it the LVM-37w3?

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J&R must be retards or scams artists for making up a new Westinghouse model and putting it on preorder.

BuGsArEtAsTy where did you get that quote from??

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Id have to go back and look at the J&R website but i did look at the link you put on for the w2 and it says it has a built in tuner while the w3 on the J&R website says there are no built in tuners so they may be different models.
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JR clearly states 1920x1080p model, so I hope there will be more than one 37" version including true follow up to LVM37W1. This is getting all screwed up because I'm waiting for LVM 37W3 to show up in stores so I can buy one now.
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Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.
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Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.

Except that according to several forum posters here, Best Buy already says it exists, as the LVM-37w3.

LTV-37w2 is a very different name than the LVM-37w3

Perhaps those LVM-37w3 specs at JR.com are all bull, but it's also quite possible that that particular Best Buy manager that claims that LTV-37w2 = LVM-37w3 just doesn't know what he's talking about.
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I was physically at BestBuy. We went to the computer. He searched for 37" LCDs and for Westinghouse LCDs. Only the LTV-37w2 showed up. There were 139 in stock at the warehouse. They were priced at $1699. I saw this with my own eyes.
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