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August/September? Then I guess I'll be getting the 95
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I called Samsung support (the number on their PDF) and they said it is much more likely that the 96 models are out in August/September !!! This confirms what Foto Connection and TV Authority have told me as well.

After reading what people have said in this thread I'm still optimistic that the 4096D may be out in June or July. At least we won't have to wait long to find out who is correct!
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Hopefully the release date will be like Dell's shipping dates. they overestimate so people won't complain if it shows up a couple of weeks late.
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DNIe is the other major one it seems. USB, Firewire, contrast ratio, component input capabilities are the others.

Sorry, but I don't get this whole DNIE thing.. Samsung plugs the benefits of DNIE throughout its website for lots of its TVs.. and we're all thinking that they'll come out with their new 1080p flagship series of LCDs, BUT, plugging the fact that they DON'T have DNIE?

How are they going to pull that one off with a straight face?
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Ahh, if the 4096 is only going to accept 1080p from PCs via RGB, I should just get a Mitsubishi LT3780 for $2200 at Fry's. It already supports 1080p via RGB.
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Samsung is getting the axe if this is the only way it's PC compatible:



If anyone has the chance to confirm, try bringing a laptop with DVI output and let us know the results.
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Samsung is getting the axe if this is the only way it's PC compatible:



If anyone has the chance to confirm, try bringing a laptop with DVI output and let us know the results.

Cant you just use a DVI to HDMI cable?
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Cant you just use a DVI to HDMI cable?

That hasn't been established for sure yet. Once we have some first hand reports it'll ease my mind.
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If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC. I know some TVs dont allot for PC over HDMI but lots of those are 768p sets.

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If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC. I know some TVs dont allot for PC over HDMI but lots of those are 768p sets.

The thing that confused us was that the manual for the 5797 says that HDMI/DVI jacks do not support connection to a PC (English-page 14). Personally I think that an RGB connection on my present monitor at 1920x1080 looks great.
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The thing that confused us was that the manual for the 5797 says that HDMI/DVI jacks do not support connection to a PC (English-page 14). Personally I think that an RGB connection on my present monitor at 1920x1080 looks great.

They say that so they don't have to provide tech support for it. As long as the PC is set to a resolution and refresh rate the display supports it will work just fine. A supported signal is a supported signal, no matter what kind of equipment creates it.
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Sorry, but I don't get this whole DNIE thing.. Samsung plugs the benefits of DNIE throughout its website for lots of its TVs.. and we're all thinking that they'll come out with their new 1080p flagship series of LCDs, BUT, plugging the fact that they DON'T have DNIE?

How are they going to pull that one off with a straight face?


No Kidding! Samsung includes the DNIe on the 4695 and says it "dramatically improves the picture." If it's so good, why not include it on the 4696? I don't understand that. I also wonder why the 4696 has a higher contrast ratio.
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I also wonder why the 4696 has a higher contrast ratio.

We don't know for sure that it does. If you use the "Compare Models" feature on Samsung's site, it shows both as having 6000:1 contrast ratios.
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August/September? Then I guess I'll be getting the 95

Can't be true.

I don't think the people answering the phones at samsung know a darn thing.

I think Samsung keeps them completely in the dark.
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If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC.

The issue is other resolutions, like 640x480 when booting, 800x600 or 1024x768 when installing video drivers, games that don't run at 1920x1080, etc.
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The issue is other resolutions, like 640x480 when booting, 800x600 or 1024x768 when installing video drivers, games that don't run at 1920x1080, etc.

Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI? It seems like we are on the bleeding edge here.

I'm starting to think the RGB connection might actually be preferable in this regard - at least it will work at multiple resolutions.
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Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI? It seems like we are on the bleeding edge here.

I'm starting to think the RGB connection might actually be preferable in this regard - at least it will work at multiple resolutions.

Well my Westy 37w3 works fine with my PC at different resolutions over DVI.

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Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI?

The Westy 47" manual clearly lists the PC resolutions and refresh rates that are supported on its DVI inputs.
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Can't be true.

I don't think the people answering the phones at samsung know a darn thing.

I think Samsung keeps them completely in the dark.

i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.
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thoth and bpmurr, thanks for the info on the Westies. It seems like Westinghouse is really supporting the DVI connection.

It will be interesting to see if anyone will be able to get 1080p over DVI/HDMI on these 1080p Samsungs. From what is in the 5797 manual, it looks like Samsung does not want to support it.
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i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.

They said what? August - September?

Did you perhaps order from Abt?

They had no read when I spoke to them.
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i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.

Yeah, I called Samsung customer service to inquire about the release dates for the 4095/4096 models and all they could do was read me the ETA that popped up when they entered the model numbers into the computer, which was 6/2006 for both. Wonder if these bad boys will ever come out. Grrrr...

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hey folks,

i've been reading this long thread because i'm looking to get the 4696 what with all of its cool features.

I have two separate questions:

1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.
2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.
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The Sony Bravia XBRs will have 3 HDMI inputs. Sharp, Mitsubishi, JVC and a number of lesser known manufacturers will also be coming out with ~46" LCDs this fall but we haven't gotten very many concrete details on those sets yet.
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1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.

I don't think anyone will put a monitor this size on a computer desk to type their research papers. But I certainly will be using a dedicated HTPC for most movie and tv watching. I'm working on getting a OTA HD recording system running. I've already got 1080i and 720p content waiting to be watched, and I've got all my dvd's ripped. The computer will be used to play back everything except when watching live HDTV shows or playing PS3 games.

And at my whim I'll be able to click back to a windows desktop to browse the web, add shows to my recording schedule, search an actress on IMDB etc, and then switch back to whatever I was watching.

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2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.

Westinghouse 47" will be priced lower but won't be as good picture-wise. Whether equivalent Sony and Sharp models will be as good will have to be determined when they're available.
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Yeah, I called Samsung customer service to inquire about the release dates for the 4095/4096 models and all they could do was read me the ETA that popped up when they entered the model numbers into the computer, which was 6/2006 for both. Wonder if these bad boys will ever come out. Grrrr...

Tell me about it.

That would be a real slap if they switched the 4096 from "Coming in June" to "Available in June" and then it's suddenly July 1 and they switch it again.

Beat!

I can deal with the delays, just not the games.
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1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor?

I use my 37" monitor all the time for gaming. It originally seemed large, but not any longer, and I'm looking forward to moving up to 46" or 47".
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I read, possibly in this post, about why you would not want a plasma screen to be used as a computer display (listing trouble displaying large areas of white, such as in a word document or website as a main reason)

Can it be stated that "pound-for-pound" LCD's are better than Plasma's? I mean I know there are pros and cons of each format but are there any concrete facts as to why one should purchase an LCD such as the Samsung 4696 over similarly sized Plasmas (since the plasmas would likely be half the cost)?
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1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.
2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.

1. I hear you. It's mostly PC gamers. As for me, I'm all over PS3 through the HDMI jack come Christmas.

2. The new 1080p Sony's coming in September will all have 3 HDMI jacks. And they are very expensive.
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Can it be stated that "pound-for-pound" LCD's are better than Plasma's? I mean I know there are pros and cons of each format but are there any concrete facts as to why one should purchase an LCD such as the Samsung 4696 over similarly sized Plasmas (since the plasmas would likely be half the cost)?

Well this is probably better answered in a LCD vs. Plasma thread, but I'll try to give you my opinion as it pertains to the Samsung 96 series.

I'm currently a plasma owner myself, and i've repordered the 4096D.

The chief advantage is the plasmas run 1024 X 768 or 786,432 pixels.

The 1080p LCDs are at 1920 X 1080 or 2 million + pixels.

Then you have LCDs like the 4096D with super bright code cathode light, and you begin to understand what the buzz is about.
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