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post #181 of 4409 Old 05-30-2006, 01:43 PM
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Say, anyone know if the Sammy LCDs will pass dolby-encoded (eg. 5.1) signals thru the Optical Sound out jack that is built into these LCD TVs? I had thought I'd just run an optical audio cable out of the TV to my AVR (with HDMI directly into the TV from Cable box and DVD sources) for when I want 5.1 sound..

BUT, I came across posts in one of the Samsung projection display forums, that these OPtical jacks ONLY transmit 2-channel stereo (no dolby encoding). Is it the same story with their LCDs? and/or is this common amongst manufacturers or just Samsung? This would be a minor bummer, as I'd have to run optical cables out of the Cable Box, DVR, etc.. all separately to the AVR (leading to potential synch issues I would think, no?).

im pretty sure the 5.1 will output threw the optic out, i use it on my sharp and i get 5.1 off of hd channels. but 5.1 threw hdmi and out threw optic out i never tried it but in the future i will have to (PS3)
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Hey
Im new when it comes to knowing about LCD, ive gotten a Samsung HLS56 DLP but its postitioned over a fireplace nook and im having viewing angle issues (the tv is not a bright when sitting, but looks fantastic standing up) so ive thought about plasma, but i would have glare issues, so thats lead me to reading about LCD. Can anyone tell me about them (longevity, pro and cons ) I like the Samsung models but i was wondering why they dont make models over 46 inches. Any info would be gladly appreciated.


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Does the fact that "DNIe" is emblazoned right there on the lower left-hand corner of the bezel count as proof?

That product shot has been around for a while.

It's possible that it is an early PR shot and the shipping product may not have the DNIe logo or functionality.
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The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.



I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???
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The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.



I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

both of these tv's that are the title of the thread are suppose to accept 1080p and probably the 52" and 57" you listed will do it also. sony has their X series 40" 46" and 52" coming out august/q3
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both of these tv's that are the title of the thread are suppose to accept 1080p and probably the 52" and 57" you listed will do it also. sony has their X series 40" 46" and 52" coming out august/q3

I know this, but i am surprised to hear that Samsung is making a new 37" LCD, is this indeed true???
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Im new when it comes to knowing about LCD, ive gotten a Samsung HLS56 DLP but its postitioned over a fireplace nook and im having viewing angle issues (the tv is not a bright when sitting, but looks fantastic standing up) so ive thought about plasma, but i would have glare issues, so thats lead me to reading about LCD. Can anyone tell me about them (longevity, pro and cons ) I like the Samsung models but i was wondering why they dont make models over 46 inches. Any info would be gladly appreciated.


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Hi Athens,

The 2 LCDs being discussed in the thread are very bright sets (6000:1) with improved viewing angles and most importantly, they boast true HDTV 1920 X 1080 2 million + pixel count.

The HLS56 is 1280 X 720 at 2500 : 1, so you'd see some real improvement.

You mentioned glare. Please don't tell me the wife has been cleaning the TV's screen with Windex.

If so, your DLP's AR coating is shot.

These new sets promise to have the very best Anti-Reflective (AR) coatings. Remember, never let any cleaning products anywhere near your AR screen, just plain water!

These coatings are actually a sandwich of 800 layers of film, very high tech stuff.

Snob alert: If you use a Maid, place a post it note on the frame of your TV "Please don not clean, thank you."

As for longevity, these LCDs will outlive me probably and the new Plasmas also have tremendous lifetimes.

The only reason we're not seeing a 96-series true 1080p HDTV LCD is cost. A 56" with these specs would be very expensive.

If I were you, I'd consider mounting an LCD or Plasma with a slight tilt downwards to the viewers.

AND you tell your guests it's an HDTV, and you'll mean it.
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BUT, I came across posts in one of the Samsung projection display forums, that these OPtical jacks ONLY transmit 2-channel stereo (no dolby encoding). Is it the same story with their LCDs?

Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.
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Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.

here's some of the related posts.. where I posted similar questions there:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...56#post7743356

however, it does appear from reading, that OTA 5.1 would transmit thru the optical out, but 5.1 that comes in via HDMI would NOT. I'm kinda confused on the reasons...
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Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.

my sammy 30" tube tv outputs dolby digital on it opitical audio out jack.
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my sammy 30" tube tv outputs dolby digital on it opitical audio out jack.

But what is carrying the signal into your tube TV ? I think the issue is only when the original incoming signal into the TV is via HDMI.
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But what is carrying the signal into your tube TV ? I think the issue is only when the original incoming signal into the TV is via HDMI.

sorry my bad, I should of read your orignal post not a quote of it. I was just talking about ATSC tuner output. I am running opitical output from multiple sources to my amp.
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the samsung 96 looks nice, but it doesn't look as nice as the new westy 47:

Samsung 46:
$4,799 MSRP
response time is only 8ms
6000:1 contrast ration
1 component input

Westy 47
$3,200 MSRP
6.5 ms response time
1200:1 contrast ratio
2 component inputs

so other than the better contrast ratio why would I get the samsung?

is the 6000:1 that much better than the 1200:1 that it makes up for worse response time, 1 inch smaller screen, and $1,600 more!?
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The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.


I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 37" 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???
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contaygious,

The magic of the latest generation of Samsung's is the wide color gamut (>92% of the NTSC space). THAT is the statistic you should worry about, not the pissant difference in response time. And the dynamic contrast ratio business is just heinous nonsense to make the dummies among us think that 6000:1 is 5 times better than 1200:1. Forget it - find out the color gamut of the 47 westy before you lay your money down!
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the samsung 96 looks nice, but it doesn't look as nice as the new westy 47:

Samsung 46:
$4,799 MSRP
response time is only 8ms
6000:1 contrast ration
1 component input

Westy 47
$3,200 MSRP
6.5 ms response time
1200:1 contrast ratio
2 component inputs

so other than the better contrast ratio why would I get the samsung?

is the 6000:1 that much better than the 1200:1 that it makes up for worse response time, 1 inch smaller screen, and $1,600 more!?

you have some facts wrong on the samsung. the 46" has 7000:1 contrast and is $4,000 msrp. 1.5ms response time deference 2 HDMI is more useful than 2 component.

samsung 46"
92% color gamut
10-bit processor with 12.8 billion colors
178 degree viewing angle

westinghouse 47"
75% color gamut
16.7 Million colors
176 degree viewing angle
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thanks! I read from another post that you need 2 hdmi inputs, but couldn't i somehow hook up ps3 and hdmi cable eventually through one? kinda like how i have my ps2/xbox/gamecube all going through the same s video?

westy 47 is Color Gamut 75% NTSC is that good? i am a noob haha

oh its 4k now, i was going off the msrp on the first post.....still 4k predicted vs 3100 for westy .......

and i was about to get the 42 westy for 2100 now i'm discussing 3100 vs 4k lol....twice as much as I meant to spend.....not sure i can justify 4k for 2 hdmi and 4 inches bigger than the 42 westy grrrrrrrrr
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The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.


I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 37" 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

sorry 26" 32" 40" 46" 52" 57" are the new standard for sony and samsung. if you can't fit a 40" in, then make room for it
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anyone have more info/links on the 52" sammy lcds? i wanted a 50" plasmas but now considering the 4696...but if a 52" is coming out...
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dayum the color difference is huge bw samsung and westy!!!! Maybe i can compromise by gettin the 40 inch sammy over the 42 westy. what's the latest msrp of the 40 inch sammy?

42 westy is 2300 in store and if the 40 sammy is like 3k then im going to want to get the 47 westy
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My brother has the 37" Westy. There are 2 things he's unsatisfied with, the intermittent lockup problem and the poor black levels. You would think Westinghouse would resolve those issues with the 47" but you never know. I would definitely go see the set in person before ordering one. One other point you may or may not care about, the Westy is a monitor not a TV (no tuners).

Personally, I'm leaning towards getting the Samsung. I'd rather pay $2K more and get something that I'm going to be happy with. The tough decision is going to be do I buy the Samsung when it comes out or wait until the fall to see what Sharp and Sony have up their sleeves.
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thanks....with comcast box it doesn't matter about a tuner though i guess so i don't see why people still care if a tv has a tuner or not....i will just have to wait and see the samsung and westy side by side to see how much better the colors are on the samsung. Hopefully they come out mid june.
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thanks! I read from another post that you need 2 hdmi inputs, but couldn't i somehow hook up ps3 and hdmi cable eventually through one? kinda like how i have my ps2/xbox/gamecube all going through the same s video?

You're going to want your cable TV on one HDMI jack, a DVD Recorder-Burner on the other jack, and the PS3 with Blu-Ray on a third jack.

The 96 series Samsung has you covered. With two jacks on the back and one on the front, I'm going to put the PS3 on the front plug for the occasional gaming and Blu-Ray viewing.
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2 HDMI is more useful than 2 component.


Doesn't the 96 series have 3 HDMI jacks?

2 on the back, 1 on the front?
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no it only has 2 in the back
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i have 3251 connected with optical cable. It dos get 5.1 sound
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no it only has 2 in the back

Drat. More bad information out there. Sorry to drag it in here.
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That product shot has been around for a while.

It's possible that it is an early PR shot and the shipping product may not have the DNIe logo or functionality.

What's the big bugaboo over DNIe ?

Can't one choose to enable it, or not?

Isn't it like the "Movie Mode" choice in my 1st generation Sony plasma?
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some good and bad news. samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.
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You're going to want your cable TV on one HDMI jack, a DVD Recorder-Burner on the other jack, and the PS3 with Blu-Ray on a third jack.

The 96 series Samsung has you covered. With two jacks on the back and one on the front, I'm going to put the PS3 on the front plug for the occasional gaming and Blu-Ray viewing.

why would i want a dvd burner/recorder? couldn't i just have one cable/tivo hdmi and one ps3 hdmi?


Why couldn't I just get a box that plugs into the hdmi and gives me more inputs? I only have one component input on my current tv but I have ps2/gamecube/xbox, hd cable, and dvd player all plugged into it at once......so what's the big deal with multiple hdmi slots? don't you all have a surround sound tuner that you go through anyway?
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