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donrussell,

The new website is up...

put "olevia" in place of "syntax groups" in the URL. Less than 5 posts and can't post full URLs.

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I was looking at the 37" but am rethinking of what I want. I have a 36" Tube tv in my family room and so I think I want 42" or 46" TV. Not to get off topic alot but my other considerations are the Sony 46" TV or Samsung 46" DLP. I wish the Syntax 542i was a little cheaper as that is pushing my budget as of right now after shipping/extended warranty .

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The only other TV I am looking at besides the 747i is the LVM-47w1 by Westinghouse. Both seem similar in features, and I'm curious to see what the street price is going to be for the 747i. Right now the Westy 47" is less than $2500 shipped. Can't wait for the 747i to become available.
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My understanding is there isn't much 1080p content out, which is one reason I am waiting on that kind of resolution. I read that it will be 4+ years before there is really a justifiably amount of 1080p available. I don't think 1080p tv's will come close to the prices of the 5 (and 3 & 4 series) for many years to come. The only Olevias that should be compared to the sony 1080p tvs are the 7 series which will be in the same price range as the 'tier 1' brands.
When do you think you will get your next tv?

Personally, I am gonna get the 537h in the next couple weeks/months then plan on getting a larger 1080p in a few years. The 537 will then become a bedroom or secondary room for viewed entertainment.

Also Brochaos you missed one of that guys questions- there were 6 questions and 5 answers. Not a big deal, but does make me wonder if there was a silent 'no' there.

The point of a 1080p tv is to show BluRau/HDDVD at 1080p/24 and HD off cablebox or Offair antenna at 1080i/60 or 1080p/30 . On a 1080p tv youd be able to watch both of these without loss of information at full quality. The content isn't four years away, it is already out now. There aren't any 1080i lcd tvs anyway. If you want o see the full two million pixels, 1080p is the only option.
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Actually with basic sub-pixel technology a 1366x768 LCD display can easily resolve 90%+ of the detail in a 1080i signal and 80%+ in a 1080p signal. I think people would be very surprised how much detail can be eek-ed out. Once you also take into account normal "Living Room" seating distance it becomes very difficult, if possible, to see the additional resolution. That does not even take into account the detail limiting compression issues in all current delivery mediums.

Or to sum up: Look for yourselves and decide if 1080p is really worth the extra money right now.

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Actually with basic sub-pixel technology a 1366x768 LCD display can easily resolve 90%+ of the detail in a 1080i signal and 80%+ in a 1080p signal. I think people would be very surprised how much detail can be eek-ed out. Once you also take into account normal "Living Room" seating distance it becomes very difficult, if possible, to see the additional resolution. That does not even take into account the detail limiting compression issues in all current delivery mediums.

Or to sum up: Look for yourselves and decide if 1080p is really worth the extra money right now.

Fair enough. I was simply talking about his point that 1080p material won't be available for 4+ years. Earlier you had indicated that some tvs convert 1080i to 1080p before scaling and others convert to 540p before scaling. This much I knew, but you also stated that both conversions were lossless. I don't understand how 1080i -> 540p without loss of information. You have 540 odd or even lines coming in every 1/60th of a second, producing en entire image once of 30th of a second. You would need to get 540p/60 without interpolated data to have the same amount of information. I don't see how that works, so help me understand. Thanks for your help. Your earlier post helped me understand this stuff a lot better.
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Actually with basic sub-pixel technology a 1366x768 LCD display can easily resolve 90%+ of the detail in a 1080i signal and 80%+ in a 1080p signal. I think people would be very surprised how much detail can be eek-ed out. Once you also take into account normal "Living Room" seating distance it becomes very difficult, if possible, to see the additional resolution. That does not even take into account the detail limiting compression issues in all current delivery mediums.

Or to sum up: Look for yourselves and decide if 1080p is really worth the extra money right now.

I see it as people are making way too much about too little!!
For me its a wast of $500 more, nevermind it's just a monitor and Westinghouse (LVM-37w3) at that.
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I'm also very interested in the 432V, mainly for TV and Xbox360. I'm a bit of a n00b.
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Fair enough. I was simply talking about his point that 1080p material won't be available for 4+ years. Earlier you had indicated that some tvs convert 1080i to 1080p before scaling and others convert to 540p before scaling. This much I knew, but you also stated that both conversions were lossless. I don't understand how 1080i -> 540p without loss of information. You have 540 odd or even lines coming in every 1/60th of a second, producing en entire image once of 30th of a second. You would need to get 540p/60 without interpolated data to have the same amount of information. I don't see how that works, so help me understand. Thanks for your help. Your earlier post helped me understand this stuff a lot better.

1080i is 30 frames per second where the odd and even lines represent two separate time indexes.

1080i is also 60 progressive 540p fields per second

CRT's display each field for 1/60th of a second offset and our brains so the rest.

Unfortunately with a progressive panel you can't just display the 1920x1080@30 frames since you would see horrible combing artifacts. For progressive fixed panel displays you can use several methods to approximate this same result.

Just taking the 540p fields ( 1920x540@60 ) and scaling them to 768p will produce a decent result. The biggest complaint with this method is a small amount of flicker on high frequency vertical data ( like a 1 pixel horizontal line )

A more difficult solution is to take the 1920x1080@30 frames a second and extrapolate 2 separate 1920x1080@60 frames by either motion adaptive or 2:3 pulldown reconstruction.

Neither of these two above solutions results in a loss of information. Both try to approximate the result that you might see on a CRT. The latter, if done properly, can be far superior ( but can be easily screwed up as well ).

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The only other TV I am looking at besides the 747i is the LVM-47w1 by Westinghouse. Both seem similar in features, and I'm curious to see what the street price is going to be for the 747i. Right now the Westy 47" is less than $2500 shipped. Can't wait for the 747i to become available.


you might in for a sticker shock when the 747i comes out in a few days...
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I'm having trouble figuring out if this TV just will not change the aspect ratio of a hi-def signal or if I'm missing a setting.
I'm feeding the TV standard-def programming via a Charter Motorola/Moxi box over component, and a Panny DVD recorder over HDMI.
The TV will not change the aspect ratio of the Panny 10801 HDMI source.
It will change the Moxi if fed 480i/480p, but once I send 720/1080, it will not control aspect ratio (except for Zoom 2).
So is this normal? Am I missing a setting?

Also, it seems to my eyes that the Motorola/Moxi picture sent at 480i is better than any other setting. Does this make sense (becasue it's SD)?
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I'm having trouble figuring out if this TV just will not change the aspect ratio of a hi-def signal or if I'm missing a setting.
I'm feeding the TV standard-def programming via a Charter Motorola/Moxi box over component, and a Panny DVD recorder over HDMI.
The TV will not change the aspect ratio of the Panny 10801 HDMI source.
It will change the Moxi if fed 480i/480p, but once I send 720/1080, it will not control aspect ratio (except for Zoom 2).
So is this normal? Am I missing a setting?

Also, it seems to my eyes that the Motorola/Moxi picture sent at 480i is better than any other setting. Does this make sense (becasue it's SD)?
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I can't speak for your 537, but my 532 can change the aspect ratio of 1080i and 720p OTA signals. However, full screen, aspect and 1:1 are all exactly the same for 1080i signals, which makes sense, but zoom1 and zoom2 are decidedly different. For a 720p signal, there is a difference between 1:1 and aspect/full screen, as well as the zoom settings. For example, I have a broadcast station that transmitts 4:3 letterboxed content over a 1080i signal, zoom1 will fill the screen with no distortion. I have not tried it with HDMI, but it shouldn't be any different.

Hope that helps.
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BroChaos;

Regarding the 4 series, I understand that there is a 427, and a 432; But will there also be a 437 model available ?

Also, regarding the 432, does this model have the same chipset in it that the 532 has ? Do you think that this model might be susceptable to the same problems that Snowmoon and others have experienced with the 532, regarding 480i and 480P sources ?

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In reviewingf the updated Syntax website, images of the 747i clearly show that all inputs are located on the right side (not rear) of the set. Am I the only one who sees a problem with that?
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The only other TV I am looking at besides the 747i is the LVM-47w1 by Westinghouse. Both seem similar in features, and I'm curious to see what the street price is going to be for the 747i. Right now the Westy 47" is less than $2500 shipped. Can't wait for the 747i to become available.

Seems to me like you're looking at a Chevy and a Ferrari at the same time, price difference and all!

Add nearly $2K to the Westinghouse, and you'll have your 747i.
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1080i is 30 frames per second where the odd and even lines represent two separate time indexes.

1080i is also 60 progressive 540p fields per second

CRT's display each field for 1/60th of a second offset and our brains so the rest.

Unfortunately with a progressive panel you can't just display the 1920x1080@30 frames since you would see horrible combing artifacts. For progressive fixed panel displays you can use several methods to approximate this same result.

Just taking the 540p fields ( 1920x540@60 ) and scaling them to 768p will produce a decent result. The biggest complaint with this method is a small amount of flicker on high frequency vertical data ( like a 1 pixel horizontal line )

A more difficult solution is to take the 1920x1080@30 frames a second and extrapolate 2 separate 1920x1080@60 frames by either motion adaptive or 2:3 pulldown reconstruction.

Neither of these two above solutions results in a loss of information. Both try to approximate the result that you might see on a CRT. The latter, if done properly, can be far superior ( but can be easily screwed up as well ).

This is exactly what I thought regarding the two methods.. But I still don't understand your explanation of the first. 1080i/60 is 540 lines every 1/60th of a second, however, Every 60th of a second, you don't have entire image. Only every other line. This is not the same as normal 540p. You can't just crunch what you have there together and make a coherent image. At least I don't see how you can.
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Looks like the 747i is earning "product of the year" recogniton even prior its release:

http://www.electronichouse.com/poty/14726.html
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What are some of the key differences between the Syntax 342i and the 542i?
Are they huge differences to cover the price difference -

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I e-mailed Syntax CS using their web site and am waiting for an answer:

Dear Sirs:

Can you please advise if there is some problem in supply or shipping your 532H LCD TVs to customers who ordered from Datavision, NY. I purchased one on Aug 26th and as of moments ago they could suppy NO shipping info. It's Sept 5!

They told me it would ship Aug 29th as a "drop ship" from your CA warehouse. Then said it would be shipped from their warehouse as you were shipping a truck load out to them.

I feel very nervous about what is going on.
I did read on AVS Forum that service had been good, but this sounds bad and I'll be posting my experience once I hear from you.

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Today Datavision says the 532H models are on back order from Syntax and they have 30 units coming into NY. He said they have no word at all about the shipment. I haven't had a reply from Syntax yet.

Brochaos;
Can you help verify what's up with supply of 532H models?
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Anyone have any info on the 4 series?

From olevia's webpage, specs looks ldentical to the 5 (432V vs 532H).

Only difference is in color and speaker location.

Any insight on this? As OD has the 432V on sale right now.

I saw Jason's coments on this unit and was very helpful, i would like to get mor input if at all possible before purchase.

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I would not recommend the 26" or the 32" 4 or 5 series ( 426, 432, 526, 532 ) because of the outstanding firmware bug. You can look at my posts to find the thread related to this problem. It affects all sources at 480i/p resolutions including progressive scan DVD players and many gaming systems.

I have had limited contact with Syntax, but from my understanding they are working on the problem.

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The 4 and 5 series use different chipsets (I was wrong , corrected below) so I doubt there will be the exact same issues with both (although the 480p image over component was not too hot on the 432v either) . The 4 series using the ATi single chip solution has its fair share of issues and the most drastic is the 1080i jitter over Component (HDMI is fine) . Then there is the issue of the 4 series not mapping over the digital HDMI connection when fed from a PC using DVI-D (the odd thing is that the analog VGA maps just fine with both PC & Xbox 360) . I think the 4 series is a great deal if you basically want a large PC/Gaming monitor and not an HDTV (just watch out for those stuck pixels) .


Has anybody compared the new 4 or 5 series Olevia's image to the newer Vizio's ( all I have seen is the older model 32" Vizio and not the newer 32" and 37" ) ?


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The 4 and 5 series use different chipsets so I doubt there will be the exact same issues with both (although the 480p image over component was not too hot on the 432v either) .

According to the manuals, both series use the Xilleon 220.
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Anyone have any info on the 4 series?

From olevia's webpage, specs looks ldentical to the 5 (432V vs 532H).

Only difference is in color and speaker location.

One difference I noticed from looking through the user manuals is that the 432V has fewer color temp adjustments.
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no clue whats going on with datavision. i do know that we drop ship for them, but as far as i know, we have no outstanding orders with them. the 532 is in stock.

4 and 5 use the same chipsets. the 3 series has different chipsets.
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According to the manuals, both series use the Xilleon 220.

Right you are , very strange , when I looked at the website a few days ago I would have sworn it listed a different chip for the 5 series ( I think they just updated the information ) .

So then it would seem that the 4 and 5 series sets are very close and only have subtle differences . I guess this makes the 4 series an even better value ( depending upon how you look at it ) .

So then does the 5 series also have the 1080i jitter over Component ?

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One other difference between the 4 and 5 series is the warranty. The 4 series has an "express exchange" warranty, while the 5 series has an on-site service warranty.

I have not seen any jitter on 1080i OTA sources on my 532H. The HD content looks great.
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Are 1080p only for the 7 series, also is there going to be a 547?
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I have not seen any jitter on 1080i OTA sources on my 532H. The HD content looks great.

As I stated previously the 1080i jitter is not when using the internal ATSC tuner (not QAM or OTA) . The jitter happens when you send a 1080i signal through the Component input (HDMI is fine with 1080i) .

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