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The XBR1 is a V series set. In every region except for the US/Canada it was known as the KDL-V1000. The V2500 is the direct sucessor to the XBR1 model wise.

In europe there is KDL-V2000 sets currently. V2000 = S2000 with different chasis + live color creation (different backlightning (wcg-ccfl) + other stuff) same as in V2500
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I finally pulled the trigger and pre-ordered the 40V2500. I almost bought the 40XBR2 but I just couldn't accept the fact that the XBR2 weighs 22 pounds more than the V2500 or that it is 4.7 inches wider. At one point I was actually thinking of removing the glass from the XBR2 to compensate for the extra width and weight. Right then it hit me that I was contemplating extreme measures for no apparent reason. I'm taking a small gamble that the V2500 won't have 1:1 pixel mapping but in the unlikely event that it doesn't I can live with the VGA port for inputting a PC signal. No one seems too excited about DRC v2.5 either so I'm willing to forgo that feature in favor or the basic Bravia engine. Besides with the money I saved I might just go out buy a Toshiba HD-DVD player.


LCD1080...

When you receive your 2500, will you please verify for the rest of us that you can do 1920x1080 from dvi out to hdmi in mapped 1:1?
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LCD1080, seeing as you also reside in Baltimore, have you talked to any of the local brick and mortars regards the v2500? Aside from online, I'm not finding anything out there locally. Only other place I can think to check is Tweeter. Since they'll be handling the xbr3, perhaps they'll be handling the v2500 (although for a pretty penny, I'm certain).

My Tweeter has the V2500 as a pre-order along with their 10% discount offer on all TV's till Aug. 31.
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LCD1080...When you receive your 2500, will you please verify for the rest of us that you can do 1920x1080 from dvi out to hdmi in mapped 1:1?

Yes that is the first item on my agenda! The 1:1 mapping capability for the V2500 should be clear to us even before I get around to testing because the operating manual will likely appear at Sonystyle just prior to the start of shipping. If the "Display area" setting under "Menu" has a "Full Pixel" option then that should augur well for 1:1 mapping. The "Full Pixel" setting drives the LCD to display 1080p sources in their original size.

SONY KDL-40V2500
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LCD1080 i've been reading your posts a lot today, and not to sound like a stalker or anything but you know what you're talking about and it appears that you and i are in the same boat. infact you are answering and asking a lot of the sames questions i have/would ask. it appears we are after the same thing as far as tv's is concerned. all i need is a 1920x1080 native tv that will display 1:1 on a digital input (hdmi or dvi).
this is a rare gem because much like the samsung 4095, most hdmi inputs overscan! i wont use the VGA in for PC use for two reasons. 1) i have dvi out on my htpc. 2) its an old analog legacy connection and the conversion from analog input to digital LCD screen creates TOO much noise and makes the PQ terrible.

so this leaves us with the 40v2500 or XBR2 or the Sharp 37d90u. Have you looked into the sharp 37d90u? its got great PQ, 37", 1920x1080 native and DVI input which i know takes 1920x1080 at 1:1 and there is suspicion the hdmi inputs will too!

the westinghouse 37"/42" 1080's in my opinion have terrible PQ
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...Have you looked into the sharp 37d90u? its got great PQ, 37", 1920x1080 native and DVI input which i know takes 1920x1080 at 1:1 and there is suspicion the hdmi inputs will too!

The reason I didn't consider the 37d90u is that I believe 40" to be about as small as I can go with a 1920x1080 pixel array. Even at 40" I feel that I'm making a compromise between adequate screen size and comfortably fitting the screen into my limited space. The issue I'm considering right now is which one of of the new HDMI graphics cards to buy. The NX7600GT Diamond Plus is the first retail NVIDIA based graphics card equipped with HDMI audio/video output capability. It's due out later this month: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3705
The other HDMI graphics card that I'm considering is the Sapphire Radeon X1600 Pro HDMI. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3078
Apparently the audio is passed through these HDMI cards thereby reducing the number of cables extending from the PC to the LCD-TV.
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The issue I'm considering right now is which one of of the new HDMI graphics cards to buy. The NX7600GT Diamond Plus is the first retail NVIDIA based graphics card equipped with HDMI audio/video output capability. Apparently the audio is passed through these HDMI cards thereby reducing the number of cables extending from the PC to the LCD-TV.

Good! maybe now more tv mfg's will get the hint and start actually allowing the tv's to map their native res perfectly on hdmi input!
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what is a good heavy duty tilt mount that is under $150 for the 46v2500?
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My V2500 prints are on photo quality glossy paper and include the close competitors that I tossed aside (viz. the 4096D, XBR3, and FH97)
I think the bezels might actually go beyond dark grey almost all the way to black. I've seen the bezels described as "black" on several sites. If so that's great because a matte black frames the picture nicely without the reflectivity of the XBR3's piano black.

Yeah, but I spent a Saturday taping 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of paper together with transparant shipping tape, then drawing the outlines of the 40 and 46 xbr2 and v2500's, taping their pictures inside and putting that up on my wall

The darker the bezels the better, but anything charcoal or darker is okay -- certainly better than the silver of the xbr2 or shiny piano black with reflecting glass next to that! The only thing I'm not liking too much is the bottom speaker look -- seems kind of cheese cloth like or something... but we'll have to see.
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what's the ETA on the 46v2500 series
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Hey... fyi, I'm near College Park, MD... and I go up towards Baltimore all the time (Laurel, Columbia, Odenton, Pasadena). PM me if you find any good deals.

I won't do a bunch of quotes, but from what I just read:
1. Someone on the xbr2/3 thread said they didn't notice any difference between vga and dvi->hdmi in 1:1... said both looked "tack-on" or somesuch.
2. Thanks for the info on the model lines! That the V2500's are the successors to the xbr1/V series is good news to me -- I'd buy the xbr1 if it was 1080p.

3. Someone said V2000's were now out in Europe? I'll have to check that forum they have there... if so we can get some idea now.

4. It's not looking like drc 2.5 is a big hit.

5. There's a _possible_ issue w/ motion blur for the xbr2/3's. I'd like to see more info on that. Is 8ms good enough? Is it the screen or the processing?

Along w/ 5) ... am wondering, just to be thorough, whether the new 1080p sharps will have a better response time and otherwise how they may compare. I'm almost certainly going for a v2500, but just want to cover all bases.
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I am pretty much sold on the 2500 series, I hope i can find a decent price on them. after my short stay with my damaged westinghouse 47, I need to replace my set asap.

I hope these things ship soon. if not I will wait till september.
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what's the ETA on the 46v2500 series

Sony says September, some internet dealers say as early as Mid August, so nobody knows exactly for sure.
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Yeah, but I spent a Saturday taping 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of paper together with transparant shipping tape, then drawing the outlines of the 40 and 46 xbr2 and v2500's, taping their pictures inside and putting that up on my wall

I went to an art supply store to buy custom sizable picture frame elements that correspond to the size of the V2500's outline. Here's the 40" version in my space. Notice that the left side just clears the door. 46" would have required some serious compromises!
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HA! It's funny you posted this because I had the exact same experience with my local Tweeter (N. VA). I was willing to pay a little more locally, but the attitude I got from the Tweeter representative just turned me off complete to that idea. Now we're just waiting for that email that says "your TV has shipped!" Though this means I'll have to work-at-home (cough) that day because I was told it's coming UPS ....wish it was white-glove.

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Nice job! You know, I checked with Tweeter and with 10% off on all sets thru August, their delivered price comes in $400 over my preorder, and I considered doing it in order to have recourse if the set fails me, but you know, they were such *******s that I'm sticking with my gut, here. First they said I should order the xbr3 because it's 1080p, and then they asked me if it's on Sony's website (sinced they were clueless), then they told me it won't be released till October. It took composure, but I told them to have a good day. I'm not paying $400 more to be treated like a moron. There truly is no substitute for decent customer service and appreciation for the business.

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I've noticed in looking through the electronic manual for the Samsung 4x96d that you can activate a screen saver to come on after a certain period of time elapses, or if a still image is displayed longer than a certain period of time. Does the new bravia line have any such provision?
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I went to an art supply store to buy custom sizable picture frame elements that correspond to the size of the V2500's outline. Here's the 40" version in my space. Notice that the left side just clears the door. 46" would have required some serious compromises!

LCD1080, I will be really worry about your door potentially hitting the TV. Just my 2 cents. Good luck on your order and waiting for your review. Thanks
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LCD1080, I will be really worry about your door potentially hitting the TV. Just my 2 cents. Good luck on your order and waiting for your review. Thanks

From the photo it does look like the door will strike the TV however the separation distance is there if you look at it from an angle. Also the TV stand is on casters so that when I roll it away from the wall into viewing position it is far from the door. Being able to roll it to a point 5 feet away from my couch was another reason why I wanted the TV to be lightweight. There's not much point to getting a 40 inch 1080p LCD if one is going to sit 9 feet away because the human eye cannot resolve all the lines of pixels at the corresponding angular distance of separation.
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There's not much point to getting a 40 inch 1080p LCD if one is going to sit 9 feet away because the human eye cannot resolve all the lines of pixels at the corresponding angular distance of separation.

I couldn't agree more. I probably are going for the 46v2500 but I am on a wait and see game with all the XBR2/3 as well as waiting for the PS3. I am hoping Sony will make a LCD screen bigger than 46 with HDMI 1.3.

To me, space is not an issue because my TV room wall is about 13 feet wide. I was checking out the Panny 58 and it's very nice. But I want to try out an LCD this time because I already got a plasma.
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speaking of wait this is nuts. I have to update to a 46" soon. coming in from a 47" I would never be able to look at a 40" either that or the wife would hurt me for getting a smaller set.

this will be a waiting game. the lure of the samsung 4695 is very great as well. at this point, its a toss up between those 2
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FWIW, I just picked up my 46XBR2 on Sunday and am very impressed so far. I find the styling very attractive and any weight added because of the floating glass to be unimportant.

I haven't read anything so far that is a compelling enough reason to make me wait to get a model that supports HDMI 1.3. A PS3 will be my first 1080p source, but the HDMI out from my HD DVR looks amazing, and I haven't even gotten around to calibration or messing with many of the settings. My Xbox360 looks very nice as well.

I can't remember where I first ran across using 3 times the diagonal screen measurement for the rule of thumb for viewing distance, but that nails it for this TV. After 2 days of watching it from about 9 feet, my wife and I re-arranged the room and made it 12 feet. Much, much better.

There is a link to a XBR2/3 review if anyone is interested over in the XBR2/3 forum. Guess I can't post it because I am a newbie.
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The Ultimate AV review of the new XBR2 had the following unfortunate comment about the performance of the scaler:

"The deinterlacing and scaling performance of the Sony, starting with a 480i input, was a mixed bag. It stumbled on some of the most difficult hurdles in my assortment of scaling torture tests. It also displayed more jagged edges on many of these tests than I usually see, even from a good upconverting DVD player."

See http://www.guidetohometheater.com/fl...46/index1.html

Assuming that the V2500's scaler will be no better than the XBR2's, this is not good news.

With respect to DRC 2.5, the review pretty much confirms that DRC 2.5, if not useless, is of only minor significance.
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I can't remember where I first ran across using 3 times the diagonal screen measurement for the rule of thumb for viewing distance, but that nails it for this TV. After 2 days of watching it from about 9 feet, my wife and I re-arranged the room and made it 12 feet. Much, much better.

Stoneisman, that's interesting about your viewing distance. I just can't decide between the 40" and the 46" models. My viewing distance is exactly 10 feet. Do you have any thoughts, I have room for either (heh, just barely on the 46"). We love to watch movies, etc, and I'm kinda afraid at 10 ft the 40" just won't be a very immersive experience compared to the 46". In a way, I wish someone would tell me I'm wrong, because upper $2Ks to +$3K is just too much for me... I think.
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The Ultimate AV review of the new XBR2 had the following unfortunate comment about the performance of the scaler:
"The deinterlacing and scaling performance of the Sony, starting with a 480i input, was a mixed bag. It stumbled on some of the most difficult hurdles in my assortment of scaling torture tests. It also displayed more jagged edges on many of these tests than I usually see, even from a good upconverting DVD player."...Assuming that the V2500's scaler will be no better than the XBR2's, this is not good news. With respect to DRC 2.5, the review pretty much confirms that DRC 2.5, if not useless, is of only minor significance.

I'm not expecting a lot from 480i scaling with the V2500. As for 480p I had planned on Toshiba HD-DVD's scaler doing the heavy lifting in terms of scaling my old DVDs up to 1080i. From what I've read the Toshiba does that rather well.

The only superior scaling alternative I see is the Syntax Olevia 7 series but if the Syntax weighs as much as the model it's replacing then it's over 120 pounds which is over twice as much as the V2500. I just got rid of a 192 pound CRT and there's no way I'm going to repeat anything remotely similar. The review's less than glowing endorsement of DRC 2.5 should make selection of the V2500 that much easier.
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Stoneisman, that's interesting about your viewing distance. I just can't decide between the 40" and the 46" models. My viewing distance is exactly 10 feet. Do you have any thoughts, I have room for either (heh, just barely on the 46"). We love to watch movies, etc, and I'm kinda afraid at 10 ft the 40" just won't be a very immersive experience compared to the 46". In a way, I wish someone would tell me I'm wrong, because upper $2Ks to +$3K is just too much for me... I think.

I have a Sony KDL-46S2000 and sit 10 feet away from it. It is plenty big enough. 40" would seem too small for movies, especially ones with black bars top and bottom.
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Can we confirm that the V2500's have a Full Pixel Mode like the XBR's?

Anyone privy to that information?

I haven't found a manual, has one been released? If not it should when they appear on Sony's website.

(btw i read the manual for the S2000, they do not have a Full Pixel Mode, right?)
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AbT just started shipping Samsung lns-4x96d. The reason I bring it up on this thread:

They posted mid-August shipping date on these sets and began shipping today.

They're posting mid-September shipping date on the 40v2500, and late September on the 46v2500. Will they hit this nail on the head, also? Who knows? At full MSRP, I'm only interested in their expected ship date.
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the more I read on this Drc 2.5 the more I am greatful that LCD1080 and Mugen started these threads and informed me of these new sony sets.

now coming from a westinghouse 47 which uses the faroudja genesis scaler which does a pretty good job on SD, how would this compare to whatever sony is using.

afer my initial viewing this afternoon of a samsung 4095 on SD , I was def not impressed ( SD wise ) running of timewarner cable ( which sux, and cant wait to go DishDH ) and for sure am connvinced the sony v2500 will be for me.

I gave an xbr1 on display plenty of attention ( thats one fine set ) and if the v2500 has that scaler I would be more than happy with it SD wise.

Now the wait begins, I hope these v2500 hit the retail scene soon. I am sending my westy 47 back tomorrow and will have to plug back my trusty 27 crt ( brrrrrr the thought )

I guess i will have to nag some xbr2 owners for SD pix, so far all i saw were the HD stuff as well as fantastic SD shots ( from a european poster )
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badself i seriously hope you are joking with this late september shipping for the 46v2500.

thats a month from now. that will seriously test my patience. wow. I was hoping they would ship in a couple of weeks. you guys will have to keep me strong not to buy a samy 4695.
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badself i seriously hope you are joking with this late september shipping for the 46v2500.

No, not joking. Just trying to make sense of all the conflicted information. Home Theatre Stores has the expected ship date on their site as August 15, 2006. Hopefully, their estimate is closer to the exact ship date. My dealer just says September, for lack of more exact information. I don't believe these will ship before the xbr3, possibly to give dealers breathing room to liquidate their xbr1 stock. Either way, sooner will be much better than later. Having made my choice, I can do nothing but wait. If Sony drags their feet long enough in releasing the v2500, and the Syntax 747i with HQV hits the scene blazing, well............However, it would have to come in at nearly 38% off list to compete with the 46v2500 on price (I suppose it's possible). That set would probably weigh an additional 25 pounds over the 46v2500.
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