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post #1681 of 3400 Old 11-03-2006, 08:10 AM
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jack, what is the model number for the westys that do work?
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Alright, I guess I am going to take the XBR2 back because of the uneven backlighting. Even my wife, who can barely distinguish color sets from there black and white counterparts, says she is irritated with it during dark scenes.

Question is, do I just have a bad copy or should I get a different brand/model entirely?
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Ellis:

If your wife can tell, that's a red flag. I'd tend to think that, if the issue is bad enough where a casual viewer comments on it, it's a bad set. Not the result of being over critical (which is a problem that stems from reading these boards!)

I'd try another one first - you did your research and chose this set. Give it one more chance.

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Alright, I guess I am going to take the XBR2 back because of the uneven backlighting. Even my wife, who can barely distinguish color sets from there black and white counterparts, says she is irritated with it during dark scenes.

Question is, do I just have a bad copy or should I get a different brand/model entirely?

Have you tried turning your backlight down. I did this and it helped.

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I've seen the problem referred to as "uneven backlighting", "backlight leakage", or "cloudy." I have it on my 46XBR2 that I've had for only a couple days. There's a few threads about the issue.

From what I've read Sony and Samsung use the same LCDs for their 46" and higher models so the problem affects both. The problem with exchanging your TV for the same model is that there is no guarantee that the new TV will not have the same problem (one poster says he's on his third Samsung and still having the same problem). It could be better or worse than your existing TV.

I'm going to talk to my sales guy today and show him some pictures and see what he thinks. It doesn't bother me too much but knowing that it's there on such an expensive TV irks me at times.
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I couldn't post the links to the forums until I had 5 posts. Now I have 5 and here's the links

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8622499

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738617

with some pictures here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8622499
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thanks for the replies and links to other threads. I really wouldn't care if it weren't visiable during regular viewing. I am going to swap it out for another xbr2 and I'll let you know how the new copy performs.
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Has anyone played around with using HDMI with a PC and examined Video quality? As I am tinkering around with this I have been able to get good text quality, but am having difficulty with what I believe may be produced by the HTPC displaying in the PC colorspace (0-255) and the LCD processing in Video (16-235) colorspace.

I have outlined my issue in another forum (W/Pics) is anyone here having similar issues or could lend assistance?
Link to site:

Uhg... At post 4... Sorry link in next post...
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I've seen the problem referred to as "uneven backlighting", "backlight leakage", or "cloudy." I have it on my 46XBR2 that I've had for only a couple days. There's a few threads about the issue.

From what I've read Sony and Samsung use the same LCDs for their 46" and higher models so the problem affects both. The problem with exchanging your TV for the same model is that there is no guarantee that the new TV will not have the same problem (one poster says he's on his third Samsung and still having the same problem). It could be better or worse than your existing TV.

I'm going to talk to my sales guy today and show him some pictures and see what he thinks. It doesn't bother me too much but knowing that it's there on such an expensive TV irks me at times.


Has any seen the problem on the 40" XBR2. I'm got that at the top of my list but don't want to pull the trigger if there are problems. I know my wife will see it.
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1080p works on the Westinghouse 47" using component or VGA.

Has Microsoft published anything about LCD TVs that are supported or not supported and why? I assume all XBR2/3 models are affected.

I was going to do the firmware upgrade this weekend for my XBR3 but there isn't much point until MS has a fix.

If this only ends up working on a couple of brands, it will not go over very well with the 360 crowd at all.

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Has any seen the problem on the 40" XBR2. I'm got that at the top of my list but don't want to pull the trigger if there are problems. I know my wife will see it.

I think most LCD's do to some extent. It's very difficult to get the backlighting perfectly uniform and even more difficult to do it on every single panel. If I look VERY closely at my 46 I can see a bit of extra brightness near the corners with no input, but this is not visible at all at normal settings or when there is any kind of video on the screen. Of course, occasionally panels have more severe backlight issues, but they would be considered defective and not indicative of the "normal" sets. From everything I have read, and from my personal experience, I think it is safe to say that the vast majority of these sets have backlights with acceptable uniformity. I don't think it is quite reasonable to expect a "perfect" set in that respect and if you go into this expecting that it is going to take you years to find a set that satisfies you.
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hey guys well i want to buy the 46'' KDL46XBR2 from costco , what i want?

i want as best quality as i can get compared to my f38310 38'' crt tube rca

now what i heard is that the biggest 1080p tv's are 46'' i also wanted from costco's line up so bottom line is this tv any good or better then my rca f38310 38'' widescreen hd 1080i?

i need a

*big screen * ( was expecting atlest 50'')

pc connections * ( i heard theirs alot of ways of connecting to a pc?)

hdmi ports ( for [ps3)

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swapped out my xbr2 and the new panel has virtually NO clouding. Almost perfect. I can't describe how much better this set looks. WOW. Glad I gave the sony another chance.
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Ellis:

That's excellent news - glad to hear that you stuck with the XBR2 - and it paid off - enjoy.

My 46 inch XBR3 arrives in a few weeks...

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Anyone running their XBR3 on cox digital cable/HD? I'm running component and the network HD channels do not look that good. I'm wondering if HDMI will make a noticeable improvement?

I'm on vivid, backlight max, brightness a little less than medium...DRC and noise correction off...sharpness at about half.
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Ellis:

That's excellent news - glad to hear that you stuck with the XBR2 - and it paid off - enjoy.

My 46 inch XBR3 arrives in a few weeks...

-Lumpy-

Thanks for the advice. it was your urging that convinced me to give the xbr2 another swing, and I am certainly glad I did. Enjoy your xbr3.
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Anyone running their XBR3 on cox digital cable/HD? I'm running component and the network HD channels do not look that good. I'm wondering if HDMI will make a noticeable improvement?

I'm on vivid, backlight max, brightness a little less than medium...DRC and noise correction off...sharpness at about half.

What type of cablebox are you running and where?

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Sorry, don't want to interupt the gaming input discussion but I was hoping I might get some feedback from owners who might be in the same situation as me...

I've made my decision and am purchasing the 46XBR2. I have satellite (Direct TV) for HD programming but will also be watching a good amount of SD as well. I'm not a gamer, but will be using my laptop as an input on occasion.

As long as I have a digital satellite feed does anybody think I'll have issues with SD?

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The 46XBR2 will arrive Friday, Nov 10th!!!!
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What type of cablebox are you running and where?

explorer 8300HD. I'm in VA

Have to call tomorrow to get the cable HD channels like HBO, discovery. Watched "Las Vegas" on NBCHD though, looked a little off.
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hey guys well im determine to buy the 46'' KDL46XBR2 from costco , what i want?

i want as best quality as i can get compared to my f38310 38'' crt tube rca

now what i heard is that the biggest 1080p tv's are 46'' that are avaivble to the avg person , i also wanted from costco's line up so bottom line is this tv any good or better then my rca f38310 38'' widescreen hd 1080i?

i need a

*bigger screen * ( was expecting atlest 50'')

pc connecatable * ( i heard theirs alot of ways of connecting to a pc?)

hdmi ports ( for [ps3)

You should probably post in English if you want responses on this forum.
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swapped out my xbr2 and the new panel has virtually NO clouding. Almost perfect. I can't describe how much better this set looks. WOW. Glad I gave the sony another chance.

So you still see some clouding? How much and where? Is it prominent? I'm trying to decide if mine really annoys me that much. What's the manufacture date of yours? I think it's printed on a sticker on the back. I wonder if we can examine serial numbers to figure out where these TV's start getting better in regards to clouding.
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You should probably post in English if you want responses on this forum.

i didnt see much errors in my typing but i re checked it happy? ok now can i get answers ?

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Hi guys,
my first post here. I just got my 40xbr2 yesterday afternoon. loving it.

i have one question though. i tried to feed it 1080p via the RGB port from my computer but failed. i got a "resolution not supported" error. is HDMI the only way to feed it 1080p? if so, i will consider purchasing a DVI-HDMI cable. thx a lot in advance.
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What type of cablebox are you running and where?

Ok I'm an idiot I had it on cable.

Watching HD music videos right now and..HELL YEA! Can't wait to see discovery and espn tomorrow...or..later today
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It is not just an issue with Sony sets. My brand new Samsung 244T 24" LCD monitor which is capable of 1920 by 1200, (and displays Xbox 360 720P beautifully) will not display the 1080P signal, either through VGA or component input. Through VGA, the picture is stretched lengthwise, and distorted. The monitor reports receiving a strange signal, like 1400 by 1200; there really shouldn't be any problem with this resolution through VGA input, as it displays my PC at 1920 by 1080 without any problem. With the Xbox 360 through VGA, I can only see part of the picture in the center of the screen, and it looks terrible, fuzzy and hazy. Through component, I just get a black screen. I hear that the 24inch BenQ FP241 monitor has exactly the same problem. So please understand that this is not restricted to Sony sets; many different types of LCD monitors and televisions are experiencing the same problem.

YES! I have this exact same monitor and it is infinitely frustrating that 1980x1080 cannot be properly displayed. It can't just be this monitor, because several other forums posts on the net points this issue happening with ACER and Sony 24" LCD PC Monitors as well.
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Ok I'm an idiot I had it on cable.

Watching HD music videos right now and..HELL YEA! Can't wait to see discovery and espn tomorrow...or..later today

Dude, you are in the zone now!

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YES! I have this exact same monitor and it is infinitely frustrating that 1980x1080 cannot be properly displayed. It can't just be this monitor, because several other forums posts on the net points this issue happening with ACER and Sony 24" LCD PC Monitors as well.

Let's just hope this is only a case of premature firmware release which wil be fixed sooner, rather than later. It is not the first time we have seen that sort of thing from Microsoft.

On the other hand, if this is as good as it gets, MS can take their HD DVD add-on and dangle.

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Ok I'm an idiot I had it on cable.

Watching HD music videos right now and..HELL YEA! Can't wait to see discovery and espn tomorrow...or..later today

HD music videos? Where? How?! I've seen an area in my HD On Demand section (from Comcast) for HD music videos, but there are only like 5 videos. Pretty lame.

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