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Personally I'm inclined to think that a true 1080p panel, ceteris paribus, always looks better than for example a 1366*768 panel since the 1080p has a lot more pixels.

That was my thought too.

Reading up on it, it appears that the pixel size of a 720p ~42-inch screen at 8 feet is just at the size that the human eye can distinguish. So, buying a screen less than ~40 inches @ 1080p would, technically, not improve the detail you could make out (unless you were using it as a computer monitor from 2-3 feet).

That said, I don't care. I'm getting a 1080p set no matter how worthless it'll be.
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Westa - Any news on the MSRP price drop for the larger Sharp panels?
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Westa - Any news on the MSRP price drop for the larger Sharp panels?

Lowest current MSRP I have found is:

LC57D90U.....$8,999.

LC65D80U.....$10,999.

My guess is that "street" prices are about 10% to 15% lower. Maybe westa has some current info I have not seen.

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This probably a dumb question but, why can't some things be made upgradeable in TV's? For example the HDMI, or even the video chip? Even if the manufacturer would have to increase the price a little. It would make things easier for the customer. If computers can do it why not TV's. I understand that it would have to be manufacturer specific, though. Like I said dumb question. Turock
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Turock, that's why I plan to do all my video processing external to the panel in my HTPC. As long as it's got 1:1 pixel mapping this should work just fine.
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Turock, that's why I plan to do all my video processing external to the panel in my HTPC. As long as it's got 1:1 pixel mapping this should work just fine.

If it can't handle 24p then there may be motion judder though ...
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Lowest current MSRP I have found is:

LC57D90U.....$8,999.

LC65D80U.....$10,999.

My guess is that "street" prices are about 10% to 15% lower. Maybe westa has some current info I have not seen.

Mike

I was told to wait until after October 1st. Since it's October 2nd then I guess it's OK but of course it doesn't mean the Vendors have caught up with this factor.

These are the numbers I was provided as the new MSRP's.

LC57D90U.....$7,999.

LC65D80U.....$9,999.

EDIT: Proof Positive! Crutchfield has the 57" at the new MSRP but they are trying to make it look like a price break of their own. Crutch is not known for selling below MSRP. I think we'll need to let it trickle through vendors but this makes the third vendor that is on-line and also has a B&M store.

The source shall remain anonymous as promised. Last night I observed the 57" at two different dealers one for new MSRP and the other $500 below the new MSRP I have listed. Rules prohibit me from listing them though. To be honest I haven't seen the official announcement as of yet but I see vendor pricing dropping to levels they've never been close to in the past. Give it some time as the source is a reliable one. Thanks

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The LC57D90U is still $13k at the warehouse club that shall not be named.

The 65 is $17k
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Can the Sharp 52D62U do 1:1 pixel mapping (for use with an external processor)?

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I was told to wait until after October 1st. Since it's October 2nd then I guess it's OK but of course it doesn't mean the Vendors have caught up with this factor.

These are the numbers I was provided as the new MSRP's.

LC57D90U.....$7,999.

LC65D80U.....$9,999.

EDIT: Proof Positive! Crutchfield has the 57" at the new MSRP but they are trying to make it look like a price break of their own. Crutch is not known for selling far below MSRP.

The source shall remain anonymous as promised. Last night I observed the 57" at two different dealers one for new MSRP and the other $500 below the new MSRP I have listed. Rules prohibit me from listing them though. To be honest I haven't seen the official announcement as of yet but I see vendor pricing dropping to levels they've never been close to in the past. Give it some time as the source is a reliable one. Thanks


Wow! I like your numbers better than mine. I'm still going to hold out for the 92 series 65 incher coming out next spring. Maybe your source can shed some light on when that will be? And price .

Thanks, Mike
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Can the Sharp 52D62U do 1:1 pixel mapping (for use with an external processor)?

I believe the very first post in this thread has a confirmation from Mike53 of Sharp confirming this capability.

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Wow! I like your numbers better than mine. I'm still going to hold out for the 92 series 65 incher coming out next spring. Maybe your source can shed some light on when that will be? And price .

Thanks, Mike

You know I was considering the same thing but I was informed the 57/65" are presently still considered a custom cut panel and that they were not going to be part of the 92 series and that didn't make sense as the 65" is overdue for an update as it will fall behind both it's siblings. It was mentioned a D72 was on the drawing board which is the update for the 62 series but nothing firm as it's to early. I suspect Sharp in Japan has an update for the 65" and 57" that'll be interim since their lack full 1080P and they are falling behind in comparisons with the less expensive units. The 65" is approaching it's first anniversary so I have to believe to continue to compete with Samsung's 57" and soon to be 70" they'll have to do something with these two models but North American rep's may not have the scoop yet - the last time Panasonic released it's 1080P 65" PDP in Japan over a year ago they discounted it's previous generation 30 days in advance in Japan by 50% and Sharp may taking the same tactic here with these giant LCD's. Just a thought of possibilities.

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Does anyone know if Costco Canada will be selling these sets?
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Has the MSRP been lowered for the 42" and 46" models as well?
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Can anyone offer me some purchasing advice for these tvs? My brother and I will both be making purchases. I'm the one making the decision on which one, and I have been waiting for these Sharps for quite a while. I haven't decided yet if it will be the 46" or 52", but for the purposes of this question, assume it is the 46".

What kind of negotiating power should I expect when telling a retailer that 1) I will be buying two 46" D62s, and 2) will be paying cash for the full amount? Does it matter which retailer? Can someone give me a target price they would settle for at, say, Best Buy? Their below MSRP price can be found on their website. I'm not sure what the margins are for these tvs but assume someone can offer some quality advice here. Obviously, PM me if necessary. Thanks!
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Are prices at the big box retailers even negotiable?
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Are prices at the big box retailers even negotiable?

Absolutely (and quite easy I must say). I negotiated a price well under MSRP for the XBR2 a month ago at BB, but decided to continue to wait for the Sharps.
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Absolutely. I negotiated a price well under MSRP for the XBR2 a month ago at BB, but decided to continue to wait for the Sharps.

Did they carry that TV in the store? The reason I ask is because none of my local BBY stores carry any 1080P TVs at all. They can order the Sharp for me. I wonder what kind of bargaining power I would have on an item they don't even stock. Knowing I can get the 46" TV for $800-900 off MSRP by mail order ... can I get anywhere close with them?
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I contacted Clevland Plasma today and was told that they do not know when they will be getting the 62Us.

I am wondering whether anyone has a dealer that can give definate availability date for these panels, i want to order "very" soon ?
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Can anyone offer me some purchasing advice for these tvs? My brother and I will both be making purchases. I'm the one making the decision on which one, and I have been waiting for these Sharps for quite a while. I haven't decided yet if it will be the 46" or 52", but for the purposes of this question, assume it is the 46".

What kind of negotiating power should I expect when telling a retailer that 1) I will be buying two 46" D62s, and 2) will be paying cash for the full amount? Does it matter which retailer? Can someone give me a target price they would settle for at, say, Best Buy? Their below MSRP price can be found on their website. I'm not sure what the margins are for these tvs but assume someone can offer some quality advice here. Obviously, PM me if necessary. Thanks!

Your experience negotiating prices will depend on the manager. I found that if I can provide pricing form reputable online dealers they will play ball. Don't expect too much but you can probably save 5-10%. You never know when you'll hit a manager in the right mood to deal. Generally, there is more negotiation room on open box inventory.
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I didn't think you could negotiate prices with the big box retailers.

Once, on a particularily hard sell for the service plan on a SLR camera I was buying the guy said, "Listen, I really recommend you have this, so what i'll do is take $100 off the camera and add the $100 service plan." Maybe I could have argued for the $100 off the camera and no service plan...I don't know. I never once thought about haggling at Best Buy...I'm not much of a bargainer anyway
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Did they carry that TV in the store? The reason I ask is because none of my local BBY stores carry any 1080P TVs at all. They can order the Sharp for me. I wonder what kind of bargaining power I would have on an item they don't even stock. Knowing I can get the 46" TV for $800-900 off MSRP by mail order ... can I get anywhere close with them?

I haven't looked for the Samsung, but the XBR2 was in the store. I was at the Ann Arbor, Michigan Best Buy. PM me if you're interested in knowing the price they gave for it just 3 weeks after it was released.
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I contacted Clevland Plasma today and was told that they do not know when they will be getting the 62Us.

I read their return policy today. Yikes. I would feel better off ordering from a place like Onsale.com.
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I didn't think you could negotiate prices with the big box retailers.

Once, on a particularily hard sell for the service plan on a SLR camera I was buying the guy said, "Listen, I really recommend you have this, so what i'll do is take $100 off the camera and add the $100 service plan." Maybe I could have argued for the $100 off the camera and no service plan...I don't know. I never once thought about haggling at Best Buy.

It was a surprise to me also when I found out that they do. I can't speak for anything other than TVs, though. I don't think you'll be negotiating BOGOs on DVDs any time soon.
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It was a surprise to me also when I found out that they do.I don't think you'll be negotiating BOGOs on DVDs any time soon.

So, do you get a manager right away, or do all of the sales people have the power to negotiate? I get too nervous when trying to negotiate...probably just get snowballed anyway

To answer your original question, there was a short-term sale on the 42's recently for around 10% off. I'd think there is at least that much wiggle room in the price as they see it.
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I just noticed that Froogle is showing a discounted price for the 46" at Best Buy. When I click on it, Best Buy shows me the normal price. But Froogle doesn't scrape prices ... they are uploaded by vendors. Interesting.
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Best Buy recently had a sale on the 42". Froogle still shows the discounted price even though the sale at BB ended. I wonder how often Froogle gets new uploads?
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Best Buy recently had a sale on the 42". Froogle still shows the discounted price even though the sale at BB ended. I wonder how often Froogle gets new uploads?

That's up to the vendor... If BBY has not uploaded the new price I would expect them to continue to honor it when asked. I was looking at the 46"; was that on sale too?
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I didn't think you could negotiate prices with the big box retailers.

Wow. Basic economics: Everything is negotiable. The question is usually whether it is worth the effort or not (unless it is a costly item it usually isn't.)

They know you can get the same stuff at hundreds of other places. A sale with smaller margins is better than no sale at all.

Easiest thing to do: Know exactly which set you want. Bring in a price list from online retailers (a Froogle printout for example) along with the cost of shipping (play with tax if you want too.) Tell them if they can match it (or get within a convienence factor, i.e. $100) you'll walk out with the set then and there. Otherwise, you'll walk out of the store and just order it online. You don't have to threaten or be mean. Just be matter-of-fact and willing to buy it online (you aren't bluffing.) It'll be hard for them to say no. This of course works best with something not already heavily discounted (i.e. it has to be a good couple of hundred bucks more than what is the online average.)

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Well, kinda sorta....the 46 and 52 come out of a new factory and the 37D90 came from the one next door to it. (Kameyama I). The new factory has unmatched (as of today) efficienciences in 32/46/52 panel sizes. Others can make but they throw away a lot of glass substrate. Efficiency is obtained by maximizing how many panels you get from a master glass.

Mike or anybody else, do you know if 37D90U is assembled in Japan and its panel is made in Japan as well?
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